The Gospels and the Mystery
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“Water Baptism is not indeed a part of the gospel “
Jesus commanded them to do this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
i guess Phillip didn’t understand
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
And Peter also didn’t get the memo
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48 KJV
were Philip and Peter not understanding water isnt needed for baptism ?
the terrible thing about hyper grace is anything God teaches us to do or not do …..becomes a “ work of the law “ so we’re never able to actually accept the things he tells us will save us
Jesus commanded them to do this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
i guess Phillip didn’t understand
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
And Peter also didn’t get the memo
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48 KJV
were Philip and Peter not understanding water isnt needed for baptism ?
the terrible thing about hyper grace is anything God teaches us to do or not do …..becomes a “ work of the law “ so we’re never able to actually accept the things he tells us will save us
That's not what the verse states. With your logic, it would be impossible to preach the gospel unto all the world, because there are always people being born into the world.
Bottom line, in Paul's day, what he stated was the truth. Paul was not lying. All the world, all creatures under heaven, to all nations...
Bottom line, in Paul's day, what he stated was the truth. Paul was not lying. All the world, all creatures under heaven, to all nations...
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“With your logic, it would be impossible to preach the gospel unto all the world, because there are always people being born into the world.”
hahaha until it actually ends then no more creatures being born ……
the gospel will be preached until Jesus returns from heaven to gether everyone for judgement but that’s just another thing from the Bible that Jesus taught …..what does he know right lol
hahaha until it actually ends then no more creatures being born ……
the gospel will be preached until Jesus returns from heaven to gether everyone for judgement but that’s just another thing from the Bible that Jesus taught …..what does he know right lol
In Acts 2, Peter clearly outlines the Kingdom Gospel, which includes water baptism for the remission of sins, there are those who believe that it is therefore an item necessary for today. Whether you believe that or not, I was simply stating that there are those who believe that there is only one gospel throughout, which is false. To say that Peter was not speaking the Kingdom Gospel with water baptism as a key element, that is utterly false. It's right there for anyone to read.
That narrative of Peter's speech to the Israelites, that was a recount of the fact that they had crucified the Messiah. One cannot escape what is clearly stated by that same Peter in that same chapter:
Acts 2:37-39
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
The message of Christ's crucifixion is nowhere in that narrative mentioned that faith in that alone as the means unto salvation.
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
So, I am not the one who is confused. The confusion is in the claim from others who say that it's all one gospel throughout. I don't have to be baptized for remission of sins, where Peter said that THEY did. No confusion in that at all, in that Peter preached a Gospel that was indeed true for them at that time, but not for us today.
MM
That narrative of Peter's speech to the Israelites, that was a recount of the fact that they had crucified the Messiah. One cannot escape what is clearly stated by that same Peter in that same chapter:
Acts 2:37-39
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
The message of Christ's crucifixion is nowhere in that narrative mentioned that faith in that alone as the means unto salvation.
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
So, I am not the one who is confused. The confusion is in the claim from others who say that it's all one gospel throughout. I don't have to be baptized for remission of sins, where Peter said that THEY did. No confusion in that at all, in that Peter preached a Gospel that was indeed true for them at that time, but not for us today.
MM
Good questions. Simply stated, Paul made it simple enough to rightly divide, in that he was the apostle to the Gentiles and to the uncircumcized Jews (spiritually speaking, not physically).
So, they can settle upon Romans to Philemon being what applies to us today, with all the rest being written to those who were and will by under the Kingdom Gospel.
Many religious institutions people call their "church" do indeed fail to rightly divide the word of truth, and thus confuse their followers by teaching an amalgamation of dispensations, especially when they preach the devil's own doctrines of replacement theology, which has roots of corruption that run deep into so many other of the teachings of evangelicalism and other religions throughout the world, such as that in Rome.
Given tat we are saved ONLY by grace through faith, there is nothing any one of us can add to that. Nobody, if asked by the Lord, "Why should I let you into my Heaven," will be able to say, "Well, I had faith and I was baptized, and I tithed faithfully and sent money to a missions organization and I mowed my crippled neighbor's lawn and I..."
Unmerited favor means that there is nothing we can possibly add to what was given to us without ANY merit on our part, but those who claim it's all one gospel throughout, they create unnecessary confusions, believing that their works somehow add to what could never be earned through any merit. That is sophism. It's such an irrational and entirely incoherent system of belief, but it's taught as if it were biblical by many out there who know not the word of God through rightly dividing it.
MM
So, they can settle upon Romans to Philemon being what applies to us today, with all the rest being written to those who were and will by under the Kingdom Gospel.
Many religious institutions people call their "church" do indeed fail to rightly divide the word of truth, and thus confuse their followers by teaching an amalgamation of dispensations, especially when they preach the devil's own doctrines of replacement theology, which has roots of corruption that run deep into so many other of the teachings of evangelicalism and other religions throughout the world, such as that in Rome.
Given tat we are saved ONLY by grace through faith, there is nothing any one of us can add to that. Nobody, if asked by the Lord, "Why should I let you into my Heaven," will be able to say, "Well, I had faith and I was baptized, and I tithed faithfully and sent money to a missions organization and I mowed my crippled neighbor's lawn and I..."
Unmerited favor means that there is nothing we can possibly add to what was given to us without ANY merit on our part, but those who claim it's all one gospel throughout, they create unnecessary confusions, believing that their works somehow add to what could never be earned through any merit. That is sophism. It's such an irrational and entirely incoherent system of belief, but it's taught as if it were biblical by many out there who know not the word of God through rightly dividing it.
MM
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
“with all the rest being written to those who were and will by under the Kingdom Gospel.”
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:25 KJV
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
1 Timothy 6:3-5 KJV
John 3:16 KJV
“with all the rest being written to those who were and will by under the Kingdom Gospel.”
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:25 KJV
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
1 Timothy 6:3-5 KJV
One other thing I will also mention is that faith has always been the foundational element of every dispensation throughout history going all the way back to Adam. The Lord desires faith rather than just actions, as any supervisor would want from his workers, in that if they don't believe in the mission, they aren't much good for anything else. So, when Peter spoke of the crucifixion of Christ of Christ in order to drive home the fact that the Jews had killed their Messiah, it could only cut them to the heart if they believed what Peter had told them. THAT is what drove them to then ask what they must do as a result, to which Peter responded with the requirement to DO something, which was water baptism FOR the remission of sins. Remission of sins, I'm sure we can both agree, must take place in order for one to be saved. That is then the point for the filling of Holy Spirit as a reality and evidence for salvation.
Had they called Peter a liar, they would not have become water baptized by faith. Given that the Law was still in force at that time, and will become in force after the rapture and thus the ending of the dispensation of grace, evidenced in their having to ENDURE unto the end, as Jesus emphatically stated because they will not be sealed by Holy Spirit in that time, their salvation will become a reality after a demonstration for endurance. That is not what we are under today given that we today are sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation at the point of faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of Christ Jesus, the first born of all creation.
Acts 21:20 And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
The Greek word translated "zealous," according to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, has this meaning:
"b. to defend and uphold a thing, vehemently contending for a thing (zealous for): νόμου, Acts 21:20"
In other words, they were not just sitting around speaking good things about the Law of Moses, they were upholding it. I'm reiterating this because the Kingdom Gospel folks were still upholding the Law of Moses, and we today do NOT uphold the Law of Moses. This isn't about just saying good things about it, as some have suggested, generally speaking, but they were upholding the Law just as they were upholding faith in Messiah.
So, the singular gospel gang has a serious problem on their hands. Will they go back to upholding the Law contrary to scripture written to us, or will they become Hebrew Roots followers and uphold a massive falsehood for us today? Some out there try to straddle that fence in spite of the deadly spikes along its top, claiming that one can live in both realms of doctrine without creating horrid inconsistencies in their gospel preaching to the unsaved.
What so many fail to understand is the difference between, God meeting out His grace upon various individuals and nations with healing and situational intervention, and the basis of salvation offered to ALL rooted in grace through faith alone, indepenedant of works. They are not one and the same, but the massively confused continue to vomit their inconsistencies as if they knew what they were talking about contrary to what's written. That's not pride, it's accepting scripture for what it says resulting from systematic analysis.
MM
Had they called Peter a liar, they would not have become water baptized by faith. Given that the Law was still in force at that time, and will become in force after the rapture and thus the ending of the dispensation of grace, evidenced in their having to ENDURE unto the end, as Jesus emphatically stated because they will not be sealed by Holy Spirit in that time, their salvation will become a reality after a demonstration for endurance. That is not what we are under today given that we today are sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation at the point of faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of Christ Jesus, the first born of all creation.
Acts 21:20 And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
The Greek word translated "zealous," according to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, has this meaning:
"b. to defend and uphold a thing, vehemently contending for a thing (zealous for): νόμου, Acts 21:20"
In other words, they were not just sitting around speaking good things about the Law of Moses, they were upholding it. I'm reiterating this because the Kingdom Gospel folks were still upholding the Law of Moses, and we today do NOT uphold the Law of Moses. This isn't about just saying good things about it, as some have suggested, generally speaking, but they were upholding the Law just as they were upholding faith in Messiah.
So, the singular gospel gang has a serious problem on their hands. Will they go back to upholding the Law contrary to scripture written to us, or will they become Hebrew Roots followers and uphold a massive falsehood for us today? Some out there try to straddle that fence in spite of the deadly spikes along its top, claiming that one can live in both realms of doctrine without creating horrid inconsistencies in their gospel preaching to the unsaved.
What so many fail to understand is the difference between, God meeting out His grace upon various individuals and nations with healing and situational intervention, and the basis of salvation offered to ALL rooted in grace through faith alone, indepenedant of works. They are not one and the same, but the massively confused continue to vomit their inconsistencies as if they knew what they were talking about contrary to what's written. That's not pride, it's accepting scripture for what it says resulting from systematic analysis.
MM
Peter said the law was an unbearable yoke for Israel, so it doesn't matter if Jews in Jerusalem were zealous for the law. That was their choice because that was what they were acculturated to. It was by no means a requirement of the gospel.
btw the gospel of the kingdom pertains to the kingdom of God/heaven into which gentiles became citizens via faith, just as the Jews were. There is no difference
btw the gospel of the kingdom pertains to the kingdom of God/heaven into which gentiles became citizens via faith, just as the Jews were. There is no difference
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:10-11
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I was told that there are messages in this thread that I haven't been answering, which is true since I do not see them on my screen. I've put into ignore those who have chosen to gravitate toward the muck and mire of ad hominem attacks rather than stick to the topical discussion. Such individuals have demonstrated that they are, by habit, incapable of rational conversation with those with whom they disagree, and so their pathetic tact of ad hominem as the only weapon in their arsenal. I don't see how such can be of any use to any evangelism outreach and bringing others to Christ, but perhaps the Lord has use for them, so I leave them to the Lord and His Wisdom.
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“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“The message of Christ's crucifixion is nowhere in that narrative mentioned that faith in that alone as the means unto salvation.”
as usual anyone who reads what’s there can see the truth
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Therefore ( David )being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
……And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
Acts 2:22-24, 30-33, 36-39, 47 KJV
as usual anyone who reads what’s there can see the truth
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Therefore ( David )being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
……And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
Acts 2:22-24, 30-33, 36-39, 47 KJV