Various Moral Issues

[Eli1]

I love GW so much that I try not to be proud of my initials including GW.

Regarding reconciling reality: I think GW created God's World, and so I am impressed that Paul said Creation reveals God's power and loving nature.

Because the creation also manifests God (RM 1:20, cf. JN 1:1-3 & PS 33:6), in a sense God may be viewed as a “Quadity”.

As Paul told the Athenians (ACTS 17:28), “In Him we live and move and have our being.” God as Creation is throughout physical reality (called “panentheism”). However, since this mode of revelation is impersonal and studied by science it has rightly been de-emphasized by Christian denominations.

In the spirit of "with more power comes more responsibility" i would say that this is a very good answer.
Thank you.

 

[GWH]

Do any of us need to be told killing is wrong, if so we need help.

No, but do we need help deciding whether to execute murderers?

 

[GWH]

Killing is wrong when it is murder, which is illegal killing.

Yes, but is execution of murderers wrong?

 

[GWH]

In the spirit of "with more power comes more responsibility" i would say that this is a very good answer.
Thank you.

And in the spirit of answering Christ's prayer "may they be one", I am very glad we agree.

 

[ResidentAlien]

And in the spirit of answering Christ's prayer "may they be one", I am very glad we agree.

When you say Christ wants us all to be one, who exactly are you referring to? Christians, or does it include non-Christian religions?

 

[Trying]

No, but do we need help deciding whether to execute murderers?

My help there would be to say no murder, imprisonment would suffice, no release in order to protect the public, can not be much fairer than that.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, but is execution of murderers wrong?

Not according to the Bible.

 

[Trying]

Not according to the Bible.

I will just stick with the thou shalt not kill from the bible.
I think it very unlikely you can kill someone and call it murder to
justify doing it, justice is not ours to dish out, putting someone in
prison for murder is about preventing them doing it again and protecting people.
Just my view.

 

[Magenta]

I will just stick with the thou shalt not kill from the bible.
I think it very unlikely you can kill someone and call it murder to
justify doing it, justice is not ours to dish out, putting someone in
prison for murder is about preventing them doing it again and protecting people.
Just my view.

You have it backwards... you do not justify killing someone by calling it murder.
And it is NOT, Thou shalt not kill. It is, Thou shalt not murder.
Criminals murder in prison, also. Bars and cells do not prevent that.

 

[Trying]

You have it backwards... you do not justify killing someone by calling it murder.
And it is NOT, Thou shalt not kill. It is, Thou shalt not murder.
Criminals murder in prison, also. Bars and cells do not prevent that.

I know we can not justify killing by calling it murder just to subvert
the bible which states "thou shalt not kill" , I have no bible that reads thou shalt not murder,
nor have I ever heard a Pastor say it.

 

[Trying]

This entire post serves no purpose, read the bible and interpret it.
Get the idea of killing and murder out of your heads, there are laws
which will be applied to killers or murders, it does not matter what
our opinions are other than to know its wrong and not to do it.

 

[Magenta]

I have no bible that reads thou shalt not murder,
nor have I ever heard a Pastor say it.

Exodus 20:13

New International Version
“You shall not murder.

New Living Translation
“You must not murder.

English Standard Version
“You shall not murder.

Berean Standard Bible
You shall not murder.

New King James Version
“You shall not murder.

New American Standard Bible
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1995
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1977
“You shall not murder.

Legacy Standard Bible
“You shall not murder.

Amplified Bible
“You shall not commit murder (unjustified, deliberate homicide).

Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
You shall not murder.

Contemporary English Version
Do not murder.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt do no murder.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Never murder.

Good News Translation
"Do not commit murder.

International Standard Version
"You are not to commit murder.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Literal Standard Version
You do not murder.

Majority Standard Bible
You shall not murder.

NET Bible
"You shall not murder.

New Revised Standard Version
You shall not murder.

World English Bible
“You shall not murder.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thou dost not murder.

 

[Magenta]

the bible which states "thou shalt not kill" , I have no bible that reads thou shalt not murder,
nor have I ever heard a Pastor say it.

Matthew 5:21
You have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'Do not murder' and 'Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

Matthew 19:18
"Which ones?" the man asked. Jesus answered, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,

Mark 10:19
You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal,
do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.'"

Luke 18:20
You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal,
do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.'"

Romans 13:9
The commandments "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and
any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

James 2:11
For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not
commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

 

[Trying]

Exodus 20:13

New International Version
“You shall not murder.

New Living Translation
“You must not murder.

English Standard Version
“You shall not murder.

Berean Standard Bible
You shall not murder.

New King James Version
“You shall not murder.

New American Standard Bible
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1995
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1977
“You shall not murder.

Legacy Standard Bible
“You shall not murder.

Amplified Bible
“You shall not commit murder (unjustified, deliberate homicide).

Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
You shall not murder.

Contemporary English Version
Do not murder.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt do no murder.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Never murder.

Good News Translation
"Do not commit murder.

International Standard Version
"You are not to commit murder.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Literal Standard Version
You do not murder.

Majority Standard Bible
You shall not murder.

NET Bible
"You shall not murder.

New Revised Standard Version
You shall not murder.

World English Bible
“You shall not murder.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thou dost not murder.

That is a lot of work for nothing, murder or kill, take you pick and tell me which one is right.
I still have no intention of doing so, it will bear no fruit.

 

[Trying]

Matthew 5:21
You have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'Do not murder' and 'Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

Matthew 19:18
"Which ones?" the man asked. Jesus answered, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,

Mark 10:19
You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal,
do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.'"

Luke 18:20
You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal,
do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.'"

Romans 13:9
The commandments "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and
any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

James 2:11
For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not
commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

And I can quote you where it says kill, not going to, they are the same evil.

 

[Magenta]

That is a lot of work for nothing, murder or kill, take you pick and tell me which one is right.
I still have no intention of doing so, it will bear no fruit.

Murder s illegal killing. You have already been informed of this. There is a difference you desire to ignore for some reason.

 

[Trying]

Murder s illegal killing. You have already been informed of this. There is a difference you desire to ignore for some reason.

Sin is sin, that is it, don't do it. Ask your pastor.

 

[Magenta]

Sin is sin, that is it, don't do it.

Killing legally is not murder, and not a sin. Just as you can be angry and not sin.

 

[Trying]

Killing legally is not murder, and not a sin. Just as you can be angry and not sin.

Sin is sin, don't get angry either, you might murder or kill someone.

 

[GWH]

I know we can not justify killing by calling it murder just to subvert
the bible which states "thou shalt not kill" , I have no bible that reads thou shalt not murder,
nor have I ever heard a Pastor say it.

Whichever Bible you have surely commands killing in the very next chapters following Exodus 20 for various crimes, so one can/should easily be able to discern the difference between the crime of murder and the just punishment of execution.