What if God had written IN STONE?
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Not the 4th one. There is no commandment to rest on Saturdays in the new covenant. That existed in the first covenant, which is dead and gone, replaced by the superior new covenant which is built on better promises. The first was so faulty it had to be removed and replaced.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat 19: 17 So He (Jesus) said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and one of the greatest commandments.
That doesn't seem crystal clear to me. But wait there's more...I would consider the warning here..
Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
According to the next verse 20, least means one won't be there and if you keep reading the commandments He is referring to He again first quoted directly from the Ten Commandments. Mat 5:19-30 So that means if we have faith in Christ, that means not to break any of them, including the commandment God said Remember, which does not mean I am free to forget and profane
There's more...
Jesus condemned those who kept their own rules over the commandment of God again quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and had some harsh words for doing so I believe we should take more serious
Mat 15:3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found only in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
We ought really obey God, the way He said. Jesus made it crystal clear we are to keep the commandments of God instead of following our won rules because we are not God. Its best to let God be God. He wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 31:18 and collectively called them His own "My commandments" Exo 20":6 God's people keeps God's commandments- His version, until the end of time. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and one of the greatest commandments.
That doesn't seem crystal clear to me. But wait there's more...I would consider the warning here..
Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
According to the next verse 20, least means one won't be there and if you keep reading the commandments He is referring to He again first quoted directly from the Ten Commandments. Mat 5:19-30 So that means if we have faith in Christ, that means not to break any of them, including the commandment God said Remember, which does not mean I am free to forget and profane
There's more...
Jesus condemned those who kept their own rules over the commandment of God again quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and had some harsh words for doing so I believe we should take more serious
Mat 15:3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found only in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
We ought really obey God, the way He said. Jesus made it crystal clear we are to keep the commandments of God instead of following our won rules because we are not God. Its best to let God be God. He wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 31:18 and collectively called them His own "My commandments" Exo 20":6 God's people keeps God's commandments- His version, until the end of time. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
If you believed the words that Jesus spoke, you would have a point. You only accept the word that suits your wrong understanding of God's word. The whole of the Bible is God's word and Lord Jesus is the Living Word of God. You accept only a part of the written word. You dismiss the rest. Your choice.
I don’t understand your reasoning, you say truth comes from Christ- Christ, Jesus our Lord and Savior said the Ten are the commandments of God, not the commandments of Moses- He wrote, He spoke, not Moses and Christ told us to keep them. So how can you say you will stick with truth through Christ yet reject His very teachings and Words. Seems like a bad idea, but we have free will.
You have free will to remain a slave to weak and miserable principles that do nothing to suppress your fleshly inclinations. You have free will to believe that your adherence to obsolete ordinances makes you acceptable in God's sight, or "more" acceptable, or whatever, instead of trusting fully that Jesus' death is the only thing keeping you from the fire of damnation. You have free will to continue pushing your misunderstanding of atonement and freedom.
But why would you?
But why would you?
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Well, i disagree...
Paul said...
1Co 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Why didn't Paul just tell the gentiles to come back tomorrow the Sabbath is irrelevent?
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
As for a command...
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
The word here for rest is Sabbatismos and it means a keeping of the Sabbath.
Now if there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God, I know what I am doing and have been for over 50 years.
Paul said...
1Co 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Why didn't Paul just tell the gentiles to come back tomorrow the Sabbath is irrelevent?
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
As for a command...
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
The word here for rest is Sabbatismos and it means a keeping of the Sabbath.
Now if there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God, I know what I am doing and have been for over 50 years.
He wrote his 10 commandments,laws,in stone. And today you'll find Christians who insist they no longer apply . Or are not meant for Christians but were meant for Jews only.
And in the BDF of any forum you'll find those who misread Scripture written on paper. And Christians who insist they are still Sinners who Sin,and for all that means.
And in the BDF of any forum you'll find those who misread Scripture written on paper. And Christians who insist they are still Sinners who Sin,and for all that means.
You disagree with Hebrews 8:6-13? Why disagree with that, and then cite scripture also in Hebrews? It's all valid.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
No, I believe exactly what it says. First of all, who was the New Covenant made with?
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
The New Covenant was made with Israel and Judah.
And why a New Covenant?
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them...
The fault was not the terms and conditions of the covenant were not the problem, the problem was with the people...
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Deu 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
And what is the a New Covenant?
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
This is a direct quote from Jer 31
Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
let's read this verse now with understanding
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
The word God chose to inspire Jeremiah to write here is...
H8451
תֹּרָה תּוֹרָה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
So my question is to you, do you agree with what the writer of Hebrews (Paul) wrote?
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
And if you think all is fulfilled, hang on for a while and the tribulation will come.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
The New Covenant was made with Israel and Judah.
And why a New Covenant?
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them...
The fault was not the terms and conditions of the covenant were not the problem, the problem was with the people...
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Deu 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
And what is the a New Covenant?
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
This is a direct quote from Jer 31
Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
let's read this verse now with understanding
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
The word God chose to inspire Jeremiah to write here is...
H8451
תֹּרָה תּוֹרָה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
So my question is to you, do you agree with what the writer of Hebrews (Paul) wrote?
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
And if you think all is fulfilled, hang on for a while and the tribulation will come.
Those who have the Spirit of God within have no need for external regulations. Those without the Spirit have nothing but their own willpower to restrain their sin and so they need the Law.
Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
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Interestingly, Jesus disagrees. Which is why he reiterated his 9 commandments,laws, and then later said until all is fulfilled not one jot nor tittle shall be removed from his laws.
God tells us he writes his laws on our hearts so that we are not far from them.
Romans 8:9 does not comport with your laws of God perspective.
God tells us he writes his laws on our hearts so that we are not far from them.
Romans 8:9 does not comport with your laws of God perspective.
With respect, that's ridiculous. Paul and Jesus are in perfect alignment. What you propose is rank heresy.
During Jesus' lifetime, the Law was still in effect, and Jesus reiterated the Law to Jews, not to gentiles. At no time did He teach gentiles to follow the Law. He revealed the full gospel to Paul, whose letters convey the details to readers. Believers in Christ are not subject to the Law. That is amply revealed in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.
During Jesus' lifetime, the Law was still in effect, and Jesus reiterated the Law to Jews, not to gentiles. At no time did He teach gentiles to follow the Law. He revealed the full gospel to Paul, whose letters convey the details to readers. Believers in Christ are not subject to the Law. That is amply revealed in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.
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A Covenant is an agreement between two or more parties. The problem was that Israel broke the covenant. The scriptures are plain that Israel broke the covenant and did not stay faithful to God. But I will make one more comment here and then I am done...
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.
What killed Paul? verse 11 sin.
Let this sink in...
Rom 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Rom 7:13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For those who hate God's Law and rail against it...
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.
What killed Paul? verse 11 sin.
Let this sink in...
Rom 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Rom 7:13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For those who hate God's Law and rail against it...
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.