I was wondering who believes you can get unsaved.
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we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done period
it does not matter if these are works of faith, works of the law. or just doing what your dad tells you to do.
We are not saved by works.. we are not even saved by Faith
we are saved by Grace, by Gods mercy, through faith (eph 2 with titus 3)
it does not matter if these are works of faith, works of the law. or just doing what your dad tells you to do.
We are not saved by works.. we are not even saved by Faith
we are saved by Grace, by Gods mercy, through faith (eph 2 with titus 3)
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Its not a warning against doing so.
the warning is if it were possible. you could not get saved again.. the thing that is impossible is renewing your salvation if it is lost.
Remember the author is refuting those thinking you are saved by law. The law said you could fall away by sin, then renewed by animal sacrifice.. this is what paul is refuting..
No it does not. It says they recieve the knowledge, they recieved the word. and they have partook of Gods blessing. anyone who is around a body of believers is blessed by association. It does not mean they are saved.
I agree. When we are saved, we are made into new creatures. If we claim we are saved, but are not. we are still a dog.
A dog will return to whatever he was.
Whether what we were is trhe law. Sin, Some other religion or whatever. It is who we are. and we will return. if we do not die first.
No sir. the context of romans 11 is the nation of Israel. and did god reject them. Not induvidual salvation,..
How does one endure to the end?
we are not sinless. So that is not enduring.
We will never meet Gods standard. so that is not enduring.
so what exactly is enduring.
and PS. enduring to the end in context is those livving during the time of the end. and life for those who endure to the end is having their physical life saved and entering the 1000 year reign having physically seen the return of christ.
Spiritual life is not in context
If we are sealed until the day of redemption we are sealed. there is nothing you can do to unseal yourself.
I have freedom in christ. You can;t tell me a person who truly believes, who truly repented, and who have truly experienced Gods love by being born again, will change their mind..Unless they never truly believed to begin with.
eternal life is eternal. i have it. If i can lose it. it is not eternal. it is conditional.
God called it eternal. i will trust him. In fact as John said,l it is my knowledge I have it that keeps me trusting it.. If I am not assured I have it. then I will be easily pulled away.. Because I have no hope. no hope is no faith. no faith is not salvation
right, and who are those who do not continue? those who have no faith..
Salvation is not my part and Gods part.
I can not save myself. God must save me
now either he did. or he did not.
there is no inbetween.
if you think you still have a part to do. I would restudy the gospel. and rethink your position in christ.
the warning is if it were possible. you could not get saved again.. the thing that is impossible is renewing your salvation if it is lost.
Remember the author is refuting those thinking you are saved by law. The law said you could fall away by sin, then renewed by animal sacrifice.. this is what paul is refuting..
No it does not. It says they recieve the knowledge, they recieved the word. and they have partook of Gods blessing. anyone who is around a body of believers is blessed by association. It does not mean they are saved.
I agree. When we are saved, we are made into new creatures. If we claim we are saved, but are not. we are still a dog.
A dog will return to whatever he was.
Whether what we were is trhe law. Sin, Some other religion or whatever. It is who we are. and we will return. if we do not die first.
No sir. the context of romans 11 is the nation of Israel. and did god reject them. Not induvidual salvation,..
How does one endure to the end?
we are not sinless. So that is not enduring.
We will never meet Gods standard. so that is not enduring.
so what exactly is enduring.
and PS. enduring to the end in context is those livving during the time of the end. and life for those who endure to the end is having their physical life saved and entering the 1000 year reign having physically seen the return of christ.
Spiritual life is not in context
If we are sealed until the day of redemption we are sealed. there is nothing you can do to unseal yourself.
I have freedom in christ. You can;t tell me a person who truly believes, who truly repented, and who have truly experienced Gods love by being born again, will change their mind..Unless they never truly believed to begin with.
eternal life is eternal. i have it. If i can lose it. it is not eternal. it is conditional.
God called it eternal. i will trust him. In fact as John said,l it is my knowledge I have it that keeps me trusting it.. If I am not assured I have it. then I will be easily pulled away.. Because I have no hope. no hope is no faith. no faith is not salvation
right, and who are those who do not continue? those who have no faith..
Salvation is not my part and Gods part.
I can not save myself. God must save me
now either he did. or he did not.
there is no inbetween.
if you think you still have a part to do. I would restudy the gospel. and rethink your position in christ.
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● Heb 6:1-3 . .Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ
and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from
acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the
laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And
God permitting, we will do so.
From this point onward, the author will need God's assistance if he's to have
any success at all getting thru his listeners thick skulls.
● Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and
have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy
Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world
to come; if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an
open shame.
Now the thing to note is that folks unified with Christ have all been made
partakers of the Holy Ghost.
● 2Cor 1:21-22 . . Now he which establishes us with you in Christ, and has
anointed us, is God; who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the
Spirit in our hearts.
● Eph 1:13-14 . . Christ; in whom you also trusted, after that you heard the
word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you
believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the
earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of his glory.
● Eph 4:30 . . Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed
unto the day of redemption.
So then the folks described as fallen away are not lost, no, the thing they've
gone and done is made themselves unteachable, i.e. indifferent.
Well; seeing as how nothing is impossible with God, then I think it's safe to
posit that He figures believers with that attitude are not worth His time for
now; and any effort on our part to get them interested in advanced Bible
studies would be like trying to dig up a coral reef bare handed.
Those indifferent believers will make it to Heaven alright because they're sealed,
but I suspect they'll be shuttled off to a Bible camp to bring them up to speed
with those of us who made the climb to higher ground while still down here
instead of waiting till we got up there.
_
● Heb 6:1-3 . .Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ
and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from
acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the
laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And
God permitting, we will do so.
From this point onward, the author will need God's assistance if he's to have
any success at all getting thru his listeners thick skulls.
● Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and
have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy
Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world
to come; if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an
open shame.
Now the thing to note is that folks unified with Christ have all been made
partakers of the Holy Ghost.
● 2Cor 1:21-22 . . Now he which establishes us with you in Christ, and has
anointed us, is God; who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the
Spirit in our hearts.
● Eph 1:13-14 . . Christ; in whom you also trusted, after that you heard the
word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you
believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the
earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of his glory.
● Eph 4:30 . . Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed
unto the day of redemption.
So then the folks described as fallen away are not lost, no, the thing they've
gone and done is made themselves unteachable, i.e. indifferent.
Well; seeing as how nothing is impossible with God, then I think it's safe to
posit that He figures believers with that attitude are not worth His time for
now; and any effort on our part to get them interested in advanced Bible
studies would be like trying to dig up a coral reef bare handed.
Those indifferent believers will make it to Heaven alright because they're sealed,
but I suspect they'll be shuttled off to a Bible camp to bring them up to speed
with those of us who made the climb to higher ground while still down here
instead of waiting till we got up there.
_
1. "the warning is if it were possible. you could not get saved again". Why would the warning be needed if repudiating salvation is impossible?
2. "No it [HB 6:4-6] does not refer to believers. It says they recieve the knowledge, they recieved the word. and they have partook of Gods blessing." No, it says they are enlightened, tasted grace and shared in the Holy Spirit, which only believers do.
3. "No sir. the context of romans 11 is the nation of Israel. and did god reject them. Not induvidual salvation". God neither saves nor rejects nations, but only individual souls on the basis of their personal sins. Paul was merely generalizing, because most Jews rejected Christ.
4. "How does one endure to the end?" By continuing as one began.
5. "If we are sealed until the day of redemption we are sealed. there is nothing you can do to unseal yourself." Then a loving God would nullify volition from the beginning and seal everyone.
6. "If i can lose it. it is not eternal. it is conditional." Bingo! God's love is unconditional, but His forgiveness is conditional upon repentance.
7. "If I am not assured I have it. then I will be easily pulled away." No, but our assurance must agree with biblical teaching about the possibility of apostasy--so don't get cocky!