Understanding God’s election
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"And where is your testimony of Adam and Eve in salvation found in the scripture? I can find God shedding blood and making them a covering, but I missed their confessions of faith. Perhaps you can point them out to me?"
Yes, you deny the salvation of both, because you deny the infallible record of their confession and repentance.
The confession, repentance and salvation of BOTH Adam and Eve ARE found in Genesis 3, right there in black and white.
And what do you know? @Magenta comes up with a supposedly plausible denial of their salvation because there were merely lambs that were sacrificed.
Thats what she came up with. Incredible. Just hopeless man. I for one am in shock at that kind of ignorance.
Because you see, THE PROPHECY OF THE SAVIOR TO COME (TYPIFIED IN THE SACRAFICE) was being spoken of by God Himself in the very same chapter.
Yes, they are saved. They are saved in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as anyone else has EVER been saved. Its right there in black and white.
"And where is your testimony of Adam and Eve in salvation found in the scripture? I can find God shedding blood and making them a covering, but I missed their confessions of faith. Perhaps you can point them out to me?"
Yes, you deny the salvation of both, because you deny the infallible record of their confession and repentance.
The confession, repentance and salvation of BOTH Adam and Eve ARE found in Genesis 3, right there in black and white.
And what do you know? @Magenta comes up with a supposedly plausible denial of their salvation because there were merely lambs that were sacrificed.
Thats what she came up with. Incredible. Just hopeless man. I for one am in shock at that kind of ignorance.
Because you see, THE PROPHECY OF THE SAVIOR TO COME (TYPIFIED IN THE SACRAFICE) was being spoken of by God Himself in the very same chapter.
Yes, they are saved. They are saved in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as anyone else has EVER been saved. Its right there in black and white.
Ok. I didn't see where I said they weren't saved. Can you underline it?
What I did say was you couldn't find their confession or repentance in scripture which you claimed they did. You still haven't shown this. That doesn't mean I don't believe they were saved. I pointed out what God had done in this regard. I was simply pointing out that scripture doesn't record Adam and Eve confessing.
What I did say was you couldn't find their confession or repentance in scripture which you claimed they did. You still haven't shown this. That doesn't mean I don't believe they were saved. I pointed out what God had done in this regard. I was simply pointing out that scripture doesn't record Adam and Eve confessing.
Don't blame me because you are too lazy and heedless (and worse) to hear 5-10 hours of the finest quality superb lectures on the matter.
Of which I have posted MANY times. Directly to your attention.
I DID hear them ALL. Several times in fact. Probably 20 hours worth. In the bank. And I know. I definitely know.
And you DO NOT know. You definitely don't know. You SAY that you don't know.
And it shall remain that way.....because such is YOUR will.
Ask. Seek. Knock. Come. Take.
That is MY will.
Of which I have posted MANY times. Directly to your attention.
I DID hear them ALL. Several times in fact. Probably 20 hours worth. In the bank. And I know. I definitely know.
And you DO NOT know. You definitely don't know. You SAY that you don't know.
And it shall remain that way.....because such is YOUR will.
Ask. Seek. Knock. Come. Take.
That is MY will.
Because the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and there are those whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, and 'this generation' will be charged with all the blood of the prophets that has been shed since the foundation of the world, and the life of the flesh is in the blood, then God covering Adam and Eve by shedding blood should've revealed His something about God to them. There's so much potential for deeper delves of study on that topic but, at any rate, God covered Adam and Eve's shame with that gesture, at the cost of another creature. However, that didn't take away their sin, it just shows a facet of the lengths God actually goes to love the sinner. Did they know the length depth width breadth of the provision He made from the foundation of the world, at the cost of not just another living creature, and not just a being, but The Living God? Idk, but God certainly hinted at that.
God tells us natural man,consciousness,cannot understand the things of God because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2. This only changes by being indwelt by Holy Spirit.
Jesus said,no one comes to him unless the Father calls,leads them.
This is why Jesus answered his Disciples who asked why he taught the Gospel in parables.
To you it was given to understand but to them it was not given.
God is emphatic
Jesus said,no one comes to him unless the Father calls,leads them.
This is why Jesus answered his Disciples who asked why he taught the Gospel in parables.
To you it was given to understand but to them it was not given.
God is emphatic
Hello GWH,
Thanks for responding.
I answered your first point.
God does save everyone" all inclusive"
He never purposed to do so. The Ot High Priest wore 12 stones on his breastplate for the 12 tribes who he interceded for.It was for Israel only in the OT. No Atonement was made for those outside of Israel.
#3...do not add words to scripture...it implies no such thing; watch here;
Paragraph 3
By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ,7 to the praise of His glorious grace;8
others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His glorious justice.9
7 1 Tim. 5:21; Matt. 25:34
8 Eph. 1:5–6
9 Rom. 9:22–23; Jude 4
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I commend you for studying. Many do not. I think you have missed some key elements, and I will try and offer when I see you drifting from the safe harbor of truth.
there is a flaw in this logic. You can not be indeed until you are born again justified made alive. This will not just happen you must have faith in God to ask for him to apply his death to you. Otherwise your still dead in sin
You still have not shown me where I was wrong in saying we do it all the time
oh I agree. Many are called few are chosen. Not everyone god calls will say yes
They had already been saved through their faith to them they rejected Christ already
You still have not shown me where I was wrong in saying we do it all the time
oh I agree. Many are called few are chosen. Not everyone god calls will say yes
They had already been saved through their faith to them they rejected Christ already