the Sabbath

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Here is what Paul was talking about in Galatians.

You say it's a physical circumcision but Paul was saying something else.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior,
20 idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,
21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you,
that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So how do you negotiate the deeds of the flesh?

Hi,

Can you please show me where I used the word "physical " in my post, but since you bring it up, what circumcision do you think Paul is referring to in these verses?

Gal 2:2 And I went up [a]by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The Jews enforced the Sabbath as a national day of rest.

Look where their Sabbath observance got them.

The Jews fell away due to their disobedience to God, not because of obedience.

God calls the Sabbath My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13. He never called it the Sabbath of the Jews. Christ in His own words said it was made for man, the word he used means human-beings Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6 because we all need God's blessing and sanctification as we cannot sanctify ourselves, we need God Only God can sanctity a day Gen 2:1-3 and only God can sanctify man. Eze 20:12. We need God for everything!

Profaning what God deemed holy did not work out so well for the Jewish nation and I don't believe its going to work out so well for us either, as God does not change.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

 

[rrcn]

The Jews enforced the Sabbath as a national day of rest.

Look where their Sabbath observance got them.

The Jews were legalist, they are not a good example.

 

[SaysWhat]

Not on our power, but we can through Christ by our love and faith in Him

John 14:15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Rgr that, He mentioned quite a few.

Love God:
Love your neighbor:
Love your enemies:
Make disciples:
Forgive:
Serve:
Be alert:
Deny yourself:
Watch out for greed:
Give to those in need:
Be born again:
Ask, seek, and knock:
Be reconciled:
Repent:
Pray:

 

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[SabbathBlessing]

Rgr that, He mentioned quite a few.

Love God:
Love your neighbor:
Love your enemies:
Make disciples:
Forgive:
Serve:
Be alert:
Deny yourself:
Watch out for greed:
Give to those in need:
Be born again:
Ask, seek, and knock:
Be reconciled:
Repent:
Pray:

Those are all good and related. Jesus answered what commandments very directly a few places.

Matt 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[ Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandment on how to love our neighbor. Does that mean the commandments from this same unit of Ten on how to love God we don't need to keep. Will there ever be a time we should serve others gods? No, so by the answer to this one question, we should know we should keep all of them. So Jesus in Mat 14:15 repeated what He said right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6 that He personally wrote Exo 31:18

Jesus addresses it again....again relating to the Ten Commandments with Judgement

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I do not believe least in heaven means one is there is we look at the next verse. v20 Then Jesus goes on to quote two of the commandments so we know what He is referring to right from the Ten Commandments using thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not commit adultery as an example. He expanded on what they mean and how to keep them and relates our feelings that lead up to the literal act of committing murder which is also a sin. Jesus wants us changed from the heart, where sin begins hence why He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 so if our heart no longer has feelings of contempt and anger towards our neighbor, thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. Living by the spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if doing so, every one of the Ten Commandments would be kept, not by our power but through Christ. He said I will Heb 8:18 John 14:15-18 its why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws because we can't make something God wrote that is perfect converting the soul Psa 19:7 more perfect.

 

[SaysWhat]

Those are all good and related. Jesus answered what commandments very directly a few places.

Matt 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[ Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandment on how to love our neighbor. Does that mean the commandments from this same unit of Ten on how to love God we don't need to keep. Will there ever be a time we should serve others gods? No, so by the answer to this one question, we should know we should keep all of them. So Jesus in Mat 14:15 repeated what He said right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6 that He personally wrote Exo 31:18

Jesus addresses it again....again relating to the Ten Commandments with Judgement

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I do not believe least in heaven means one is there is we look at the next verse. v20 Then Jesus goes on to quote two of the commandments so we know what He is referring to right from the Ten Commandments using thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not commit adultery as an example. He expanded on what they mean and how to keep them and relates our feelings that lead up to the literal act of committing murder which is also a sin. Jesus wants us changed from the heart, where sin begins hence why He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 so if our heart no longer has feelings of contempt and anger towards our neighbor, thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. Living by the spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if doing so, every one of the Ten Commandments would be kept, not by our power but through Christ. He said I will Heb 8:18 John 14:15-18 its why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws because we can't make something God wrote that is perfect converting the soul Psa 19:7 more perfect.

There's 613 commandments in scripture. I'd like to see someone honor them all. Keeping the ten like the rich man does nothing

Matthew 19
20“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

 

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There's 613 commandments in scripture. I'd like to see someone honor them all. Keeping the ten like the rich man does nothing

Matthew 19
20“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

Did Jesus quote 613 commandments or did He quote directly from the only law God numbered by design, the Ten Commandments.

Can you show me the verse that says we are to obey 613 commandments?

Good follow up question, regarding the rich young ruler. While he may have kept the commandments to love our neighbor, he placed his great riches over following Jesus, breaking the very first commandment to thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Exo 20:3 Its why in the scripture it tells us breaking one of the commandments and James is only quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments we break them all James 2:10-12. The rich young ruler wanted to follow Jesus, it says he went away sad, but it was based on his own terms and not God's.

 

[SaysWhat]

Did Jesus quote 613 commandments or did He quote directly from the only law God numbered by design, the Ten Commandments.

Can you show me the verse that says we are to obey 613 commandments?

Good follow up question, regarding the rich young ruler. While he may have kept the commandments to love our neighbor, he placed his great riches over following Jesus, breaking the very first commandment to thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Exo 20:3 Its why in the scripture it tells us breaking one of the commandments and James is only quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments we break them all James 2:10-12. The rich young ruler wanted to follow Jesus, it says he went away sad, but it was based on his own terms and not God's.

Are people supposed to ignore the 603 in scripture God’s word and just pay attention to the ten?

Jesus didn't say he broke the first commandment. He would of said so if he did. That's your opinion that he did.

 

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Are people supposed to ignore the 603 in scripture God’s word and just pay attention to the ten?

Jesus didn't say he broke the first commandment. He would of said so if he did. That's your opinion that he did.

Did the rich young ruler not make his great riches above following Jesus and is that not breaking the first commandment to have no other gods before us? Its not really an opinion, it is written in the commandments of God. I guess its a matter of faith if we believe them or not.

Jesus tells us exactly from we need to keep and how to live, which He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:5-6

Did Jesus ever teach to keep 603 laws? Did He ever follow 603 laws?

Jesus quoted from the laws He said we need to keep for eternal life. Sadly, instead of focusing on a biblical number God did give, the Ten Commandments, written by His own finger Exo 31:18 people focus on an unbiblical number never stated in the scripture as a reason to not keep what God clearly tells us to keep all throughout the bible.

Are there other laws aside the Ten Commandments. Yes, but without His Spirit enabling us to obey Him John 14:15-18 Acts 5:32 , no one is going to keep any laws. Its actually why the Sabbath commandment is so important. God wrote the Ten Commandments, and the Sabbath is the one commandment that has His signature Exo 20:11 shows who the God is who wrote the Ten Commandments. There are many gods of this world, but only one who has the power to create the heaven and earth and all that is in them and without His power no one can keep anything. The God of Creation Exo 20:11 is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7 as He changes not.

Guess I'll leave it as agree to disagree. All gets sorted out soon enough. I wish you well.

 

[SaysWhat]

Did the rich young ruler not make his great riches above following Jesus and is that not breaking the first commandment to have no other gods before us? Its not really an opinion, it is written in the commandments of God. I guess its a matter of faith if we believe them or not.

Jesus tells us exactly from we need to keep and how to live, which He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:5-6

Did Jesus ever teach to keep 603 laws? Did He ever follow 603 laws?

Jesus quoted from the laws He said we need to keep for eternal life. Sadly, instead of focusing on a biblical number God did give, the Ten Commandments, written by His own finger Exo 31:18 people focus on an unbiblical number never stated in the scripture as a reason to not keep what God clearly tells us to keep all throughout the bible.

Are there other laws aside the Ten Commandments. Yes, but without His Spirit enabling us to obey Him John 14:15-18 Acts 5:32 , no one is going to keep any laws. Its actually why the Sabbath commandment is so important. God wrote the Ten Commandments, and the Sabbath is the one commandment that has His signature Exo 20:11 shows who the God is who wrote the Ten Commandments. There are many gods of this world, but only one who has the power to create the heaven and earth and all that is in them and without His power no one can keep anything. The God of Creation Exo 20:11 is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7 as He changes not.

Guess I'll leave it as agree to disagree. All gets sorted out soon enough. I wish you well.

If someone's job requires them to work the weekend, it's ok there is no punishment for not keeping the sabbath these days. Surely no one is going to kill someone for not obeying.

You nor me nor anybody else can sell all their stuff and follow him.

Wish me well what does that mean your bailing? Wow your a great neighbor.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

If someone's job requires them to work the weekend, it's ok there is no punishment for not keeping the sabbath these days. Surely no one is going to kill someone for not obeying.

You nor me nor anybody else can sell all their stuff and follow him.

Wish me well what does that mean your bailing? Wow your a great neighbor.

God promises to take care of us, when we obey Him, even at the expense of I may not feed my family, I may be out of work, God promises our essentials when we place our faith in Him.

The example is expressed very plainly in Daniel and Daniel is a prophetic book so it's not there by accident and something at the end of time we will all have to make a decision whether we are faithful to God, He still tests us now. Daniel and his friends faced similar predicaments- there was a decree where everyone had to bow to the golden image breaking one of God's commandments. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego trusted and placed their faith in God to obey Him even at the risk of death. Jesus saved them through the burning furnace. Daniel was also in a similar predicament when another decree went out against obeying one of God's commandments and Daniel faithfully obeyed God at the risk of being eaten by Lions. God faithfully saved Daniel through the lions dens. The point is, we need not to trust in ourselves, we need to trust in God. I have been through some similar situations on the Sabbath, one where it put my company in jeopardy, but being faithful to God, He took care of me ten-fold and He will for anyone who places their faith in Him, go to Him in earnest prayer. Working on the Sabbath because we need money puts our faith in ourselves, trust God. I know of a ton of similar stories people who faced similar predicaments and how being faithfully to God no one will ever regret. It's not this life that matters, its eternal life that will.

Its not my job to convince you. I can share the scriptures, but if one chooses not to believe them, nothing more I can do. I can share and pray and hope one day the scriptures may be reconsidered.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

If someone's job requires them to work the weekend, it's ok there is no punishment for not keeping the sabbath these days. Surely no one is going to kill someone for not obeying.

You nor me nor anybody else can sell all their stuff and follow him.

Wish me well what does that mean your bailing? Wow your a great neighbor.

So let me ask you, can we apply this reasoning to any of the other commandments. Like for example, committing adultery. Can we use an excuse that I no longer love my spouse as a reason to commit adultery. Or my neighbor plays loud music, that's a reason to commit murder. Or I have a lot of money and a reason not to worship only God. I think we can justify any number of reasons of why not to obey God, the way He commanded. The Sabbath commandment is really no different than any of the others. There is no where God ever said obey the commandments of God except the Sabbath.

The Israelites must have had similar thinking in the wilderness, which kept them from entering Canaan. their promised land. We are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11


Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So let me ask you, can we apply this reasoning to any of the other commandments. Like for example, committing adultery. Can we use an excuse that I no longer love my spouse as a reason to commit adultery. Or my neighbor plays loud music, that's a reason to commit murder. Or I have a lot of money and a reason not to worship only God. I think we can justify any number of reasons of why not to obey God, the way He commanded. The Sabbath commandment is really no different than any of the others. There is no where God ever said obey the commandments of God except the Sabbath.

Your reasoning is flawed and a stumbling block to the brothers. The righteousness of all the law is fulfilled in the two great commandments in which the sabbath does not appear. You're not being an honest person by avoiding explaining how believers in Christ who are dead to the law are required to follow its letters. The law has no dominion over dead people. If the law has dominion over you, then you are not in Christ

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Your reasoning is flawed and a stumbling block to the brothers. The righteousness of all the law is fulfilled in the two great commandments in which the sabbath does not appear. You're not being an honest person by avoiding explaining how believers in Christ who are dead to the law are required to follow its letters. The law has no dominion over dead people. If the law has dominion over you, then you are not in Christ

The greatest commandments is the Ten summarized Rom 13:9 and following what Jesus said and following the example He provided for us, we are told to follow in His footsteps, 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John 2:5-6 will never be flawed logic, its actually quite the opposite. I guess we will all find out soon enough. I do wish you well

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The greatest commandments is the Ten summarized Rom 13:9

Which means if you love your neighbor as yourself you have kept all of the commandments

You shall not commit adultery; you shall not murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet, and any other commandment is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Romans 13:9

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Which means if you love your neighbor as yourself you have kept all of the commandments

You shall not commit adultery; you shall not murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet, and any other commandment is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Romans 13:9

Yes, so violating them, would not be fulfilling(fill-full) the law to love our neighbor or to love God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, so violating them, would not be fulfilling(fill-full) the law to love our neighbor or to love God.

You're twisting the meaning. The 10 commandments are fulfilled, ie, completed fully, by loving our neighbor

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8

Fulfilled
G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v.
1. to fully, completely fill.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You're twisting the meaning. The 10 commandments are fulfilled, ie, completed fully, by loving our neighbor

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8

Fulfilled
G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v.
1. to fully, completely fill.

The greek word in Romans 13:8 means

pléroó: to make full, to complete
Original Word: πληρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pléroó
Phonetic Spelling: (play-ro'-o)
Definition: to make full, to complete
Usage: I fill, fulfill, complete.

Not to end or come to an end.

Like when one has a marriage covenant- does to fulfill that covenant mean to commit adultery or does it mean ones fill-full their wedding vows and is faithful. Being unfaithful to God does not fulfill any covenant with Him.

This is what it means, obviously. Paul is not teaching one to sin Romans 7:7 and dishonor God by breaking the law Romans 2:22-23

Its really common sense, to fulfill the law of love does that mean we can now worship other god, steal, commit adultery to break the least of these commandments, the opposite of what Christ taught Mat 5:19-30 Of course not.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Not to end or come to an end.

Actually it does put an end to observing the letters. If the righteousness of the law is fulfilled by loving one's neighbor then there is no need for the letters of the law; they have become obsolete.