Understanding God’s election
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Why would you say that? Everyone gets saved?
God’s will is for everyone to be saved, he shed his blood for everyone to be saved, but sadly, not everyone is saved. God doesn’t violate man’s freedom to make him believe.
Did God tell Adam to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Did Adam eat? Did Adam choose to go against God’s will for him? Yes
I think the New Testament is repeat with proof God chooses whom he will save.
Besides Jesus preaching the same thing in his earthly ministry as the father made flesh,there is the reason why we can't elect to understand and therefore believe the Gospel. 1 Corinthians 2.:14
They rebranded. What brand are you?
Luk 11:52
Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Not only do you hinder, you absolutely deny entry. And you are quite choosy about it.
You deny entry to ANYBODY but yourselves, an exclusive cadre of extra special chosenites.
Consequently, you and Satan can accuse God for creating a soul for no other purpose than to be cast into the lake of fire for eternity.
Because YOU SAY (over and over again) that they never had ANY CHOICE in the matter whatsoever.
Sick.
So there is God's will, and there is man's will ... not just God's will as you originally said. That is the point!
Good call and good analysis.
And I wholeheartedly agree.
Just another Calvinist bogus fallacy, of which there are many.
Oh I see it in the world sister daily and in doctrines ect Jesus is the center and beginning and ending of it all that’s why we believe
even in my own younger self at times with pride and self reliance and what not I can look back and see my self not getting it and just banging my head on the wall again and again ……but at the time lol I thought it was groundbreaking stuff making progress ect to my shame but I think that’s part of life experience learning as we grow a constant progress like a child born , they grow in time and mature eventually they take responsability but also they know who to depend on even when he’s telling them what they need to do to live ….they trust him even then . Even when he earns them of what will cause tbier death …they trust him still because they believe his word becomes law becomes sure and irrevocable he’s God , the Lord our God
Im not sure tbat makes sense in anyone else’s head but what I mean is there’s alot of false doctrine in tbe world and that creates alot of false beliefs and convictions contrary to the word of Christ.
If we learn from Jesus the only son believing then we’re going to have this
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
Yeah it’s definately all about Jesus I mean it’s Christianity, he’s the lord and o my name under heaven by which any man can be saved , he is also mankind’s judge and also redeemer who swore his judgements wouldn’t change and anyone who believed would be saved
Scripture says the natural man is blinded by the god of this world, who has taken people captive to do his will. That is not "Calvinism" that is Bible truth. Lovers of darkness who suppress the truth in unrighteouness UNABLE to obey God' commands (or laws, I am still out so I am on my phone and can't look it up right now). That is not Calvinism that is Bible truth. The natural man cannot understand the Spiritual things of God, so how is he supposed to believe them unless God does a work on him first? It seems to me that this circumcision of the heart gets overlooked by a lot of people who complain about God needing to act on man first ... in fact I've seen it called God raping people to force them against their will as if that is what He's doing to act unilaterally, and then the people who say such things get applauded as if they have said somethibg true and profound when it borders on blasphemy. Jesus opens the eyes of the blind and frees those who are slaves to sin. That is Bible truth also.
So when a man sins ….that’s Gods Will ? When a man is punished for this sin , this is also Gods Will ? And of a man ends up lost and thrown into the lake of fire , this also os Gods Will and the man never had any choice or ability to choose good or evil because zgods Will dictated it all ?
There is a dismissive brand , Calvinism, that the enemy manipulates in this world so to continue to blind natural fed minds.
It's not their fault,it is their natural consciousness,worldly,condition.
Everytime Calvinism is stamped onto Christs Gospel 1Corinthians 2:14 is reiterated as truth.
It’s because they suppress the truth sister
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
Romans 1:18 KJV
it’s because they do that sister not because God made them unable to do good
“because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”
Romans 1:21-23 KJV
Do you see the chain of causation in man’s relationship with God
“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:”
Romans 1:24-26
It seems we are trying to say God purposes them to be vile that’s his Will bit it’s saying because they changed thier mage and glory into sinful ones and distorted his ways to corruption …then he gave them over to thier own lusts developed through thier behaviors holding the truth in unrighteousness ect
God didn’t cause man to sin , he never cause cain to kill able he warned him to do good and he’s be accepted but if he did evil sin would become his master and get him
It wasn’t just Adam it was cain able Israel David chrirtians ect what we choose is our god given right we exist in tbe world there’s good and evil they lead to different ends
Who has said God purposes people to be vile? Knowing something before it happens as God knew man would disobey and sin does not mean He made anyone do that. It does seem that many people need to break it down to either God makes them sin (which is not true) or they are naturally free to choose (which is not true either). Man is born dead to God. That is a fundamental Biblical truth. None are righteous... no, not one! All sin and anyone who sins is a slave to sin. Does taken captive to do the will of the devil sound like a free man to you? It is called being born after Adam. Jesus is the second Adam. We need to be born of Him, and then we can be transformed in His image.
I was responding to this nonsense of God having two types of wills, a permissive will and his sovereign will.
Right...through revelation the truth is revealed. Until then, how does one know God and Christ? They can't. But of course once revelation occurs, we conform to that revelation aided by the Spirit who now dwells within us.
No ,God predestines the individual people.Rom8 :29-30 is clear...whom/Them.......refer to people, not a plan:
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
God is not willing of those He has elected and given to the Son, perish.Not one of them will perish! Jn 6:37 All that the Father Gives to me shall come to me.