The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Dino246]

Terminology is important because darkness hides in obscurity and vagueness. Start focusing on the nits and you will expose and drive out the darkness

So please answer my questions from post 1005.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Did God establish the Levitical system in the Law? Yes or No? Was that before or after the captivity?

Sorry, I missed that. It depends on what you calling the law and mean by establish. God selected Aaron in Exodus to be his priest. The ordering and conduct of the priesthood is described in several books. So if that is all law to you then yes. It was before the captivity.

 

[Genez]

How was it Levitical Judaism? Judah had nothing to do with the priesthood until the order of Melchizedek. The children of Israel were not called Jews, ie Judeans, back then.

You were going back to the time of Abraham?.... The father of the Jews.
That is what you based your argument upon?

Why then, did you bring up the Pharisees?

Where are you???????

 

[Genez]

It doesn't matter. Unbelieving Israel and Judah were broken off from the root and the only way back for them is to be grafted back in as any other person must be. There is no difference

I have heard that argument once before.
It was in the only forum where I found some hated Jews...
They loved that doctrine you are espousing.

But, maybe, I got you wrong.

And, many from the northern kingdom migrated to southern Israel while the north was going apostate.
They too, are to be called Jews.

There is not two olive trees mentioned to be grafted into and from. Only one.

 

[Genez]

Question, if you don't mind answering.
Were you born in USA or Israel?

Lived in Israel for a summer.
Born in the USA.

Wondering why you ask.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You were going back to the time of Abraham?.... The father of the Jews.
That is what you based your argument upon?

Why then, did you bring up the Pharisees?

Where are you???????

Abraham was the father of Isaac,, Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel, of which Judah was one of them. The word Jew, which means Judean, didn't start referring to all of the tribes of Israel until much, much later.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I have heard that argument once before.
It was in the only forum where I found some hated Jews...
They loved that doctrine you are espousing.

But, maybe, I got you wrong.

lol I'd say you do have me wrong because they are the words of Paul, not me.

Well; because of unbelief they {Jews} were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Romans 11:20
And they also, if they [Jews] abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Romans 11:23

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And, many from the northern kingdom migrated to southern Israel while the north was going apostate.
They too, are to be called Jews.

Because they were living in Judea under the authority of the Judean pharisees

 

[Inquisitor]

Which is EVERY CHRISTIAN who's been Born again of the Holy SPirit.

The KJV is all well and good - personally I'm a KJVP I prefer the KJV - since I've been reading it for 70 years, know the work-arounds for the lousy places of translation, and use it to find things in concordances (like Blue Letter Bible).

KJVO is a rabbit trail claiming that the KJV IS THE ONLY "Perfect translation" which is easily demonstraterd to be FALSE.

Almost ANY Bible translation is as good as any other since the Holy Spirit is ever-present to lead us into truth - IF WE WANT IT.

You can be a strong Christian without a Bible.

For far too long folk could not read and many still cannot read well, even today!

Let alone not having a translation in their own language for many centuries.

To attempt to reduce this problem down to a single divine translation is outrageous.

 

[Genez]

Abraham was the father of Isaac,, Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel, of which Judah was one of them. The word Jew, which means Judean, didn't start referring to all of the tribes of Israel until much, much later.

It derived it's name from Judea.
Just like Americans derived their name from Amerigo Vespucci.

Yet, Americans today can be from many different countries.
Same applied to the many tribes.

 

[Genez]

Because they were living in Judea under the authority of the Judean pharisees

So what's your problem with calling all Jews, Jews?

You are working with a detail in Jewish history, but its not the over all picture,

 

[Eli1]

Lived in Israel for a summer.
Born in the USA.

Wondering why you ask.

I'm asking to know more about your background which affects us (myself included) in open mindedness or otherwise.
I find your posts interesting and i understand your direct communication style which is also common in my culture (Albania).
I also read about your struggles with your health so God bless you and keep you safe.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

To attempt to reduce this problem down to a single divine translation is outrageous.

Absolutely!!! it's nothing but "Theology. and the creation of just another "Idol" to be worshipped in addition to GOD HIMSELF.

 

[Inquisitor]

No. Your nonresponses are not going to fly. Go back and look at the evidences that are staring you in the face in regard to how the Modern Bible Movement today is still the Westcott and Hort Movement.

Also, you are the new kids on the block because 413 years of the KJV does not compare to 143 years of the W/H Movement, which did not really ramp up until the 1960s and 1970s (Which is 64 or 54 years away from our present day).


...

The King James Version.

The source material for the translation of the New Testament was the Textus Receptus version of the Greek compiled by Erasmus; for the Old Testament, the Masoretic text of the Hebrew was used; for some of the apocrypha, the Septuagint Greek text was used, or for apocrypha for which the Greek was unavailable, the Vulgate Latin.

James' instructions included several requirements that kept the new translation familiar to its listeners and readers. The text of the Bishops' Bible would serve as the primary guide for the translators, and the familiar proper names of the biblical characters would all be retained. If the Bishops' Bible was deemed problematic in any situation, the translators were permitted to consult other translations from a pre-approved list: the Tyndale Bible, the Coverdale Bible, Matthew's Bible, the Great Bible, and the Geneva Bible. In addition, later scholars have detected an influence on the Authorized Version from the translations of Taverner's Bible and the New Testament of the Douay–Rheims Bible.[48]
(wiki.King_James_Version)

The KJV is nothing more than a composition of a jumble of translations including the Septuagint and
the Latin Vulgate. To even attempt to call the KJV an inspired text is ignorant and ridiculous. The primary
guide for the translation of the KJV was the Bishops' Bible.

You would be forced to recognize that the Bishops' Bible is the one true, divine translation. Because
that is what the KJV really is; a direct copy of the Bishops' Bible.

As for "textual Criticism", that is what all of the Bible translators are actually doing when they
conduct a translation. Hunting through early manuscripts, translations, for the true written words of
the text.

Definition: Textual Criticism, the technique of restoring texts as nearly as possible to their original form.

 

[posthuman]

Judaism was the religion of the Judean pharisees, not Moses. It originated in Judea, not Sinai. They esteemed their traditions above Moses

[Jesus] answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:6-9

a person can say whatever they want when they make up their own private definitions of words.

Judaism
noun​

Ju·da·ism ˈjü-dē-ˌi-zəm ˈjü-də- ˈjü-(ˌ)dā-

British also ˈjü-ˌdi-zəm​

​

​

1​

: a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions​

 

[posthuman]

Judaism was the religion of the Judean pharisees, not Moses.

what's your personal word for the religion of Moses?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So what's your problem with calling all Jews, Jews?

My issue is that the religion of the pharisees, ie, Judaism, is not the religion of Moses. Do you disagree? Jews just means followers of the pharisees' religion; Ancient Israelites were followers of Moses (at least the obedient ones were)

 

[Genez]

I'm asking to know more about your background which affects us (myself included) in open mindedness or otherwise.
I find your posts interesting and i understand your direct communication style which is also common in my culture (Albania).
I also read about your struggles with your health so God bless you and keep you safe.

I mentioned having struggles with my health?
Not really, other I am sometimes allergic to getting older.

My parents were second generation American who's parents came from Austria in the 1890's.
I have been told that I do have some of their traits.

I am learning that some do not like a direct approach..

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

what's your personal word for the religion of Moses?

Honestly, I don't have one

 

[Eli1]

I mentioned having struggles with my health?
Not really, other I am sometimes allergic to getting older.

My parents were second generation American who's parents came from Austria in the 1890's.
I have been told that I do have some of their traits.

I am learning that some do not like a direct approach..

Nice and good to know.

Regarding your health, you mentioned somewhere that you were involved with some mental health hospitals? This was in response to that user who was banned who thinks that he's a prophet.