Preparation for the tribulation.

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ ( @BOY 's Post #19 )CONSIDER what the following passage informs... :

Rom 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.









[whereas, regarding "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (that's us) - Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]"--ponder this passage]



"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" did NOT give birth to Jesus! (We are NOT "the woman" in the CONTEXT of "Rev12 / Mic5:3"... no.)






Let me ask you this. WHO is the text speaking of where Micah 5:3 says, "Therefore WILL HE GIVE THEM UP, UNTIL..."




(no need to respond right away... Give it much thought... like, perhaps MONTHS!)

 

[BOY]

Whether or not it's for any sort of spiritual tribulation, my family and I do stock up on essentials in our home just in case things get wonky. (i.e. toilet paper shortage in 2020) We have some food, water, pet food, and other items just in case things ever get crazy.

Thank you so much for your input. I think it's important that. we'll look at it from every angle. in case. one angle sticks out more than the other.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The church talks about birth pains . Here they are.

Like I said in my post early in this thread (I think it was this thread),

"the beginning of birth PANGS" ARE the "SEALS" of Rev6... and the "SEALS" take place IN / WITHIN "the things which MUST come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per "Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1" (i.e. the FUTURE 7-yr Trib)...

They do not take place back in the first century (and their culmination is not the Birth of Jesus Christ Micah 5:2, no.)



They (the beginning of birth PANGS / SEALS) do not commence until after "our Rapture".

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

CONSIDER the CONTEXT of Isaiah 26... esp. from v.13 onward... note vv.17-18... and notice this passage is ABOUT "ISRAEL"... not US

-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/26/1/s_705001





[Then, see my past posts (in other threads) about how ALL 73 mentions of "Israel" in the NT, ALL OF THEM refer to "Israel"...]

 

[BOY]

Like I said in my post early in this thread (I think it was this thread),

"the beginning of birth PANGS" ARE the "SEALS" of Rev6... and the "SEALS" take place IN / WITHIN "the things which MUST come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per "Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1" (i.e. the FUTURE 7-yr Trib)...

They do not take place back in the first century (and their culmination is not the Birth of Jesus Christ Micah 5:2, no.)



They (the beginning of birth PANGS / SEALS) do not commence until after "our Rapture".

I think we are off topic here and I think we're talking about different birth pains.
I think the birth paints you are talking about.
Go to youtube and type. in (Christian end times or something like that) and see all the pre-tribulation churches and post tribulation churches all talk. about birth pains. all of them. pretty much. Everybody or nearly everybody is talking about it being right at the door. The pretribulation believeing in Christian are going home. and the post tribulation believed in Christian's are Preparing for the next step. This is before the seals. The first seal is the Antichrist The birth pains are before.

Does that help? you've got to get on the same page as your brothers and sisters. even if you are a pretrib believer. the birth pains come before the birth. The birth being Jesus coming to get you or the Antichrist arising Depending Which camp you're in. Pre Trib or post trip.
I don't mean to be rude here, but birth pains are before the event. before Jesus comes and get you, or for us, before the Antichrist arises.

 

[BOY]

Just my view thank you

Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Mark 4:19
and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mark 4:19
and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Luke 21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Matthew 6:34
“So don’t be anxious about tomorrow. God will take care of your tomorrow too. Live one day at a time.

however it all turns out, it will turn out according to God's timing, wanting no one to perish as I know this in me, God's mrercy of Love through Son that does not quit
God's kindness is meant for repentance. To change our mind and want to see Father's view through Son Jesus after the Death he did willingly first, for to be given reconciliation to us all to either believe that or not. Then the new life offered starts, and people learn new and stop ignorant stuff as when anger ruled them, learn to simply let anger pass and stand in truth God's love that over came, comes all evil as did that at, at the risen Christ for us all, Done once for us all to stand in thanksgiving and praise over it, so thankful continuously there will be no time to sin or continue in trying to not sin again
As person thinks so are they. Emotional thought, can steal, kill and destroy us, when those emotions lead!
look at a train, the engine leads right? The Caboose follows yes?
The Caboose is emotion y'all. I see two not get on any train where the Caboose leads, anyone else? Emotions know no right or wrong, they predictably respond to one's thought(s) go to a scary movie, watch it and control your reactions, Can you?
Not if your emotions are in the lead, at least for me this I see presently
Not possible as Jesus said

Matthew 19:26

Living Bible

Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, no one. But with God, everything is possible.”


Authorized (King James) Version

But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I am seeing he was talking of his death, burial, and resurrection
resurrection, where new life is given us to walk new in and not of self doing it anymore

He has written a whole book of the future. so obviously we have to think about the future. Learning what's to come. learning what will happen. Learning what will happen to us. and so on.

But he definitely doesn't want us to worry about tomorrow.
And as for preparation. the Egyptians. prepared. when they left Egypt. Joseph. prepared. 7 bad. 7 Good years. David stored food.

Friends Bring Supplies to David
27 After David came to the town of Mahanaim, Shobi the son of Nahash came from Rabbah in Ammon,[l] Machir the son of Ammiel came from Lo-Debar, and Barzillai the Gileadite came from Rogelim.

28-29 Here is a list of what they brought: sleeping mats, blankets, bowls, pottery jars, wheat, barley, flour, roasted grain, beans, lentils, honey, yogurt, sheep, and cheese.

They brought the food for David and the others because they knew that everyone would be hungry, tired, and thirsty from being out in the desert.

Our brothers and sisters from the Old Testament prepared. It just makes you think.

 

[BOY]

I know when the powers out it's a terrible feeling, not knowing what's going on. And when the power is going to come back on again, So we've got a radio battery operated that picks up all sorts of long range channels.
We also have some kind of car battery that we can plug a light into or a laptop or iPhone Chargers into And a solar recharger for the battery.
I remember when covert was here, the supermarket shelves were so empty for a week. For weeks at a time. So we stocked up on some essentials. But that's not the tribulation. Once I see we are there at there at the beginning If it's not too late, I will make some inroads

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I know when the powers out it's a terrible feeling, not knowing what's going on. And when the power is going to come back on again, So we've got a radio battery operated that picks up all sorts of long range channels.
We also have some kind of car battery that we can plug a light into or a laptop or iPhone Chargers into And a solar recharger for the battery.
I remember when covert was here, the supermarket shelves were so empty for a week. For weeks at a time. So we stocked up on some essentials. But that's not the tribulation. Once I see we are there at there at the beginning If it's not too late, I will make some inroads

I was in another country on the other side of the planet when COVID-19 struck! I got stuck there for most of the year, but totally avoided all the problems that happened in the US.

I think God was showing us different ways He takes care of individuals in a crisis. In some situations, He helps us preparing for that situation within that crisis, in others, He will put them out of harms way (but not raptured physically - I was still on earth, just in a different part of it). It's like that in the Bible too.


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[jacko]

beam me up Lord.. See ya world. hahha

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The first seal is the Antichrist The birth pains are before.

The first seal is the Antichrist. Right.

"the beginning of birth PANGS" = the SEALS... sooooo, the FIRST ONE JESUS LISTED *is* the Antichrist, where He said in Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['A CERTAIN ONE' bringing deception]"... i.e. SEAL #1!!



--this ^ is his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" 2Th2:9a [Dan9:27a/26b]... which is 3.5 yrs BEFORE he does the "who SITTETH in the temple of God" thing at MID-trib 2Th2:4b [Dan9:27b];


--Paul also speaks of that INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that COMES UPON a woman, in 1Th5:1-3 (so he's pointing back to Jesus' words, where Jesus uses that very word IN THE PLURAL--So Paul is speaking of the FIRST ITEM on Jesus' list of "BoBPs [PLURAL]")

Does that help? you've got to get on the same page as your brothers and sisters.

Many folks, even many pre-tribbers, mistakenly believe that "the beginning of birth PANGS" PRECEDE "our Rapture". THEY DO NOT.

even if you are a pretrib believer. the birth pains come before the birth.

"The beginning of birth PANGS" are what "kick off" the 7-yr Trib [they ARE "the SEALS" in the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period we commonly call "the (7-yr) Trib"].

The BEGINNING of birth PANGS (Mt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11) are FOLLOWED BY further birth pangs... and they all precede and LEAD UP TO His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (Rev19) FOR "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MILLENNIAL KINGDOM AGE"
(see again Isa26:13 [re "birth PANGS"],17-18 [re: ISRAEL], where they say [when written], "... we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any DELIVERANCE IN THE EARTH; neither have the inhabitants of the earth fallen"... but see Acts 17:31--"because He has FIXED A DAY [not a 24-hr day] IN WHICH He will judge [in an ongoing sense] the world IN RIGHTEOUSNESS in/through a Man whom He has appointed...").

IOW, "the birth" IN THIS CASE is not us being raptured (as many suppose)... The BPs as a WHOLE lead up to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH.








As far as the Rev12 / Mic5:3 passage, that's a slightly different matter.

Where Rev12:13 says, "the woman WHICH HAD brought forth THE MALE [G730 - arren / arsena]",... I DO believe "the male [v.13] / the man child" speaks of us / our Rapture which doesn't take place at this Rev12 MID-trib CONTEXT, but PRIOR TO THAT (and prior to "the beginning of birth PANGS" / SEALS).

[Jesus Himself was not "SNATCHED [G726]" up to Heaven...]




Everything from Matt24:4 onward, is what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture".

"The beginning of birth PANGS" are not what "lead up to" (and produce) "our Rapture" (they lead up to and POINT TOWARD His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, *FOR* the earthly MK AGE--"WHEN He shall sit upon the throne of His glory" Mt19:28 / 25:31-34!, etc... many other passages...).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ and remember, Luke 21:12's "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" is saying that "the 70ad events" (of vv.12-24a,b) must take place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs" that vv.8-11 had just spelled out.

This is the SEQUENCE ISSUES of the Olivet Discourse which many readers miss.




[not that this makes much of a difference to those who believe "the beginning of birth pangs" are supposedly taking place NOW (our present conversation); but it does make a difference to those holding either "Preterism" or "Historicism"... or even "Amillennialism"; However, it still doesn't align with Scripture. Scripture EQUATES "the beginning of birth pangs" and the "SEALS"... and "our Rapture" PRECEDES the opening of the FIRST SEAL! ]

 

[BOY]

I was in another country on the other side of the planet when COVID-19 struck! I got stuck there for most of the year, but totally avoided all the problems that happened in the US.

I think God was showing us different ways He takes care of individuals in a crisis. In some situations, He helps us preparing for that situation within that crisis, in others, He will put them out of harms way (but not raptured physically - I was still on earth, just in a different part of it). It's like that in the Bible too.


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You were blessed sister. God had his hand on you. And thank the Lord You could see it. I think that can happen too. It's just a matter of faith. Maybe I'm looking too much in the Flash. I need to start looking Again in the spirit. your words actually inspired me.. with faith. All things are possible.

when I was younger. I seen his hand. His mighty hand. protect and guide me Just impossible situations. I know he works . and will work still. I've seen his mighty hand in my life. Thank you Lord. And thank you, sister. Thank you. God Bless

 

[Psalm1]

The mark of the beast won't even be implemented until the SECOND HALF.

So, while it is true that there will be believers (who'd come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--when they are IN the Trib) who will be "martyred" IN THE FIRST HALF (Seal #5), it won't be because of refusing "the mark" that won't even be in existence yet, at that point in the chronology



Jesus' Subject in His Olivet Discourse was NOWHERE speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event;

He [Matt24-25] was covering the Subject of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (FOR the earthly MK age) and the specific, future, LIMITED time-period which will immediately precede and LEAD UP to THAT (i.e. the Trib yrs that LEAD UP TO His "RETURN" to the earth)... EVERYTHING from Matt24:4 thru chpt 25-end, is telling of what FOLLOWS "our Rapture"


["the beginning of birth PANGS" = the "SEALS" at the START of the (7) TRIB yrs]



Ditto what I said above.

[this is NOT "the church"]


The "Partial Rapture Theory" is based on a MISAPPLICATION of a host of passages. It is not biblically accurate.



For the readers, Luke 21:36 is NOT a "rapture" passage/verse.

Wow.
How did you get every point wrong?
Prove the mark is not implemented right away.
Prove the ones taken and left are not the rapture. You made the claim with nothing proving your theory.
The ones taken and left are in the setting of "before the flood"
You are omitting verses to get to your theory.

Jesus said the Christians left behind were without oil. They HAD OIL (the Holy Spirit) only hours earlier.
So now you need to change the parable to the virgins being heathens.
Good luck there.
Your theory is poorly thought out.

 

[Psalm1]

I'd like you to show me that in the Bible, without speaking, because I can show you in the Bible that we are going through the tribulation without. speaking

Rev11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Cori15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Obviously, you have to know your Bible. You have to know revelation 11.

Christians left behind are murdered right away by the A C . No true christian goes through the trib. All either recieve the mark, or are killed.
No such thing as a postrib rapture.

 

[Psalm1]

Zephaniah 2:3 "Seek ye the Lord, all the meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: It may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger"
Does not matter what preparation you make if you are out of God's will. Out of fellowship with Him.

What was the point of the big red X?????
I can easily defend the fact that no believer goes through the trib.
What's with the hit and run mess?????

 

[Psalm1]

The church talks about birth pains . Here they are.
We are the only ones that bring forth Jesus..
There is no other woman in Jesus' life Besides the body of Christ.
The woman in revelation 12 is the church. we bring forth Jesus. We flee into the wilderness. We are hunted by the beast.

If you are a pre tribulation believing Christian obviously you won't believe that.

Oh I believe you will be hunted.
You will have to take the mark or die according to the bible.
The Bible says that power was given to the Antichrist to overcome the saints.

The Bible says that every man woman and child whether free or Bond receives the mark either in their hand or their forehead and everyone receives the mark that are not written in the lands Book of Life.
Revelation 20 says those that refuse the Mark,and were beheaded, are in heaven.

The Bible says that the martyrs ask for vengeance early on in the tribulation (possibly even pre-tribulation), and they are told to remain under the altar and wait until their number is fulfilled.
Then a few sentences later their number is fulfilled because now all the martyrs are Before the Throne.
That indicates those left behind are all killed because the martyrs number is fulfilled and the martyrs are now in the general population and not confined under the Altar.

 

[DRobinson]

What was the point of the big red X?????
I can easily defend the fact that no believer goes through the trib.
What's with the hit and run mess?????

The big red X means I disagree. Nothing personal.
I can prove you are wrong but will not waste my time because you will not believe the Scripture.
Who are the Saints who are killed by the Man of Sin, who do not take the mark?
I learned many years ago that those who believe as you do will never allow the Scripture to teach them the truth.

 

[Psalm1]

The mark of the beast won't even be implemented until the SECOND HALF.

So, while it is true that there will be believers (who'd come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--when they are IN the Trib) who will be "martyred" IN THE FIRST HALF (Seal #5), it won't be because of refusing "the mark" that won't even be in existence yet, at that point in the chronology



Jesus' Subject in His Olivet Discourse was NOWHERE speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event;

He [Matt24-25] was covering the Subject of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (FOR the earthly MK age) and the specific, future, LIMITED time-period which will immediately precede and LEAD UP to THAT (i.e. the Trib yrs that LEAD UP TO His "RETURN" to the earth)... EVERYTHING from Matt24:4 thru chpt 25-end, is telling of what FOLLOWS "our Rapture"


["the beginning of birth PANGS" = the "SEALS" at the START of the (7) TRIB yrs]



Ditto what I said above.

[this is NOT "the church"]


The "Partial Rapture Theory" is based on a MISAPPLICATION of a host of passages. It is not biblically accurate.



For the readers, Luke 21:36 is NOT a "rapture" passage/verse.

For the reader:
Luke 21:36 is in fact the virgins parable and is vividly depicting the pretrib rapture.
The bride is taken.
The carnal are left behind.
Mat 24 has the same 50% taken before the flood.
Nothing else fits.
Care to try and show a 50% taken group.?
Who exactly are the half taken in BOTH SIDE BY SIDE examples by Jesus?

 

[Psalm1]

The big red X means I disagree. Nothing personal.
I can prove you are wrong but will not waste my time because you will not believe the Scripture.
Who are the Saints who are killed by the Man of Sin, who do not take the mark?
I learned many years ago that those who believe as you do will never allow the Scripture to teach them the truth.

Pure deflection.
In line with your hit and run red mark.

Pretrib rapture has verses.
Postib rapture has none.
Not a single verse to support a postrib rapture!!! What is going on with that postrib rapture theory.??????
I have challenged postribbers to show me one single verse and they can not.
As you have demonstrated.

 

[DRobinson]

Pure deflection.
In line with your hit and run red mark.

Pretrib rapture has verses.
Postib rapture has none.
Not a single verse to support a postrib rapture!!! What is going on with that postrib rapture theory.??????
I have challenged postribbers to show me one single verse and they can not.
As you have demonstrated.

Only by putting your own spin on Scripture can you prove a pre-trib rapture.
Rev. 20 speaks of the first resurrection. Only those in the first resurrection escape the second death which is hell.
Those saints who do not take the mark or worship the Beast are included in the first resurrection.
This takes place when Jesus returns, cast the man of sin and the false prophet alive into the pit and chains Satan for a thousand years.
Paul states that this happens at the last trump.
So how are you going to spin this Scripture?