The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Genez]

Since the KJV DIDN'T COME ALONG UNTIL 1611, and the Douay-Rhiems was 1582, Martin Luther, who died in 1546 wouldn't have known about either version.

Luther produced his own translation in German from the Latin Vulgate - introduced aroound 400 a.d.

But the KJV Only sect keeps telling others that the KJV is God's only translation!

I used to work for a German chef (world renown). He is a Christian.
At one time there was a dispute going on with some of his staff concerning the pastor I decided best to learn from.

Those on his staff were a part of the Bible college. The same one I also attended and graduated from.
Word got out that I left the ministry to learn from a pastor of my choice.
They started bad mouthing my pastor... not knowing that the one they listened had also studied from my pastor.

One day when we were alone in the kitchen, the chef began discussing with me my pastor.
I explained how my pastor teaches from the original languages, and that what these students were getting,
was from the KJV, which glosses over and waters down (and is too timid) to say what is actually found in the Hebrew or Greek.

I showed him one example of how the KJV was a flowery and timid translation.
To my surprise, he walked over to a shelf in the kitchen and pulled down his Luther Bible in the German.

He looked up the verse I had just given him with a corrected translation from my pastor.
He read it in the German.
After a pause...
He looked up, and told me....
"Your pastor is correct!"

That was only one lesson of verification of the weaknesses of the KJV I learned that day.

My pastor almost always began each daily class by citing from the KJV.
He taught six nights a week....

After being shown way too many weaknesses in the KJV to doubt it any more, I just kept on moving forward.
I had to purchase a small library of reference books, and also had access to two different Bible college libraries to
verify what I was taught when need be. After some time of finding out that my pastor's teaching was highly reliable,
I learned to rest and to trust him accordingly.

Too much in the King James is "flowery and blushing," unable to declare what the Hebrew and Greek boldly states.
.... And, best of all. What was translated finally made sense to real people!

Enuf said....

Having been Jewish I did not grow up in a Christian home. I do not live in a sheltered world that so many Christians have.
I realized that the KJV can make those who wish to remain living sheltered lives, not to to feel uncomfortable.


So be it...

grace and peace!

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

But the KJV Only sect keeps telling others that the KJV is God's only translation!

SO???? let the FOOLS blab out whatever fantasy they wan't - it's only "theology" after all. Theology is like noses - everybody's got one.

I've used the "Living", the "Good News", and even the "New World" translation now and again. They all say the same thing., and the HOLY SPIRIT is ever present to give wisdom and TRUTH.

KJV is my "Main Squeeze", because I'm THE MOST FAMILIAR with it.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

An atheist might attack the resurrection by pointing out things from a natural man's perspective. Ultimately, it requires faith in your Bible..

Nope it requires FAITH in God's WORD TO YOU which the Holy Spirit is present and available to supply. Any of the major Bible versions is as good as any other.

AN "Athiest" is already living a LIE, since they already KNOW there's a GOD - and that HE WANTS SOMETHING that they have no intention of giving Him.

Paul didn't worry about that religious "Background noise". He presented Jesus, and Him Crucified, and didn't bother with "Theological arguments" until he was with people who KNEW GOD"S WORD, and had the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep things accurate.

 

[Genez]

SO???? let the FOOLS blab out whatever fantasy they wan't - it's only "theology" after all. Theology is like noses - everybody's got one.

I've used the "Living", the "Good News", and even the "New World" translation now and again. They all say the same thing., and the HOLY SPIRIT is ever present to give wisdom and TRUTH.

KJV is my "Main Squeeze", because I'm THE MOST FAMILIAR with it.

The KJV Only sect is always pushing the KJV as the only true translation.
I just said what I did as a response to the KJV Only people.

If it does not apply to you?
I am glad to hear it...


grace and peace ................

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

uh huh.

so how much are two sparrows sold for?

an assarion.

as you know.
and you also know you did not learn that from kjv.

so.
you do know where God's word is, and you know it isn't the kjv, it's the original language.

So you are saying that there is no financial equivalents exist between one country vs. another?
And my answer was the Scripture verse I gave you. Can you read?

Anyway, it seems you are very hostile. Do you truly want to be fair in this discussion and be open to hearing points from the other side? It sounds like you have an axe to grind against the Bible (the KJV). So, give me a good reason, why this conversation should continue.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

The KJV Only sect is always pushing the KJV as the only true translation.
I just said what I did as a response to the KJV Only people.

If it does not apply to you?
I am glad to hear it...


grace and peace ................

And the Westcott and. Hort Movement (or sect) today is still always pushing its unbiblical philosophy of error-ridden Bibles and manuscripts, whereby the Scholar (priest) becomes the real authority and not Scripture.


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[Dino246]

So you are saying that there is no financial equivalents exist between one country vs. another?
And my answer was the Scripture verse I gave you. Can you read?

Anyway, it seems you are very hostile. Do you truly want to be fair in this discussion and be open to hearing points from the other side? It sounds like you have an axe to grind against the Bible (the KJV). So, give me a good reason, why this conversation should continue.

You are the one with the axe to grind. Posthuman is a long-time well-respected member of this forum, and his contributions are marked by an absence of hostility. He's just pointing out the inconsistency of your position. Methinks you can't handle your inconsistencies (yes, plural) being pointed out, so you attack in response.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Nope it requires FAITH in God's WORD TO YOU which the Holy Spirit is present and available to supply. Any of the major Bible versions is as good as any other.

No, they are not. Modern Bibles teach false doctrines in over 50 plus places.

AN "Athiest" is already living a LIE, since they already KNOW there's a GOD - and that HE WANTS SOMETHING that they have no intention of giving Him.

The Bible talks about believers whereby Jesus says He never knew them, too. Granted, I am not saying all non-KJV believers fit this mold or anything. There are heretical KJV advocates out there. But what I know is that any believer who has a low regard for the Bible has a major problem they need to work out with God. If not, I believe they are not going to make it into God's Kingdom. While Isaiah 8 is talking about the OT Law, it can have a secondary prophetic meaning for us today under the New Covenant.

" if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20).

[QUOTEPaul didn't worry about that religious "Background noise". He presented Jesus, and Him Crucified, and didn't bother with "Theological arguments" until he was with people who KNEW GOD"S WORD, and had the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep things accurate.[/QUOTE]

That's not true. Paul talked about a wide variety of important spiritual topics in NT Scripture.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

You are the one with the axe to grind. Posthuman is a long-time well-respected member of this forum, and his contributions are marked by an absence of hostility. He's just pointing out the inconsistency of your position. Methinks you can't handle your inconsistencies (yes, plural) being pointed out, so you attack in response.

He has not been warm and fuzzy with me so far. Its why I did not respond to his other previous posts a little while back.
So, I would have to respectfully say, I agree to disagree.

May God bless you.


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[Dino246]

And the Westcott and. Hort Movement (or sect) today is still always pushing its unbiblical philosophy of error-ridden Bibles and manuscripts, whereby the Scholar (priest) becomes the real authority and not Scripture.

Hypocritical yet again.

You deride the "authority" of scholars while holding to a work translated by... scholars.

 

[Dino246]

He has not been warm and fuzzy with me so far. Its why I did not respond to his other previous posts a little while back.
So, I would have to respectfully say, I agree to disagree.

May God bless you.

So "warm and fuzzy" is the standard? Sounds like a padded room to me.

 

[Genez]

And the Westcott and. Hort Movement (or sect) today is still always pushing its unbiblical philosophy of error-ridden Bibles and manuscripts, whereby the Scholar (priest) becomes the real authority and not Scripture.


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Believe what you wish, sir.....

Who am I to stop you?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Hypocritical yet again.

You deride the "authority" of scholars while holding to a work translated by... scholars.

There are good scribes and bad scribes mentioned in the Bible.
Obviously we can tell the good apples from the bad ones.
How? Well, we look at the evidence. We look at the fruit. We look at the texts.
We look at the differences of doctrine. We look to see the good or bad impact between one line of Bibles vs. the other.
One Bible line treats the words of God as if they are silly putty, and the other treats them as the very words of God.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

So "warm and fuzzy" is the standard? Sounds like a padded room to me.

Obviously nobody likes to be treated as a cold and in a harsh way (Which is the opposite of warm and fuzzy).
Not sure why people get all worked up about our believing what the Bible plainly says about itself.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

Believe what you wish, sir.....

Who am I to stop you?

But follow the basic logic of the idea. Can you really say the Modern Bible Movement is superior with it being fundamentally based on the scholar instead of what the Scriptures say?

There is no absolute truth in the concept or idea within the Modern Bible Movement.
Like the shifting sands, it can change with yet another manuscript discovery and some new superstar Scholar.
There is no settled text to rely upon that has a proven track record.
This is why I do not understand your stance. To me, your position is illogical, and I simply would have no interest in God whatsoever because God cannot get His Word right for me to trust it. It would be like having a house contract when you buy a house and it has a bunch of conflicting statements in it that your lawyer finds that he says is concerning. You wouldn't buy a house that way, so then why do it with the most important book dealing with our very soul?


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[Dino246]

Obviously nobody likes to be treated as a cold and in a harsh way (Which is the opposite of warm and fuzzy).
Not sure why people get all worked up about our believing what the Bible plainly says about itself.

Again you misrepresent the reason why people disagree with you. Self-delusion at its best.

 

[Dino246]

There are good scribes and bad scribes mentioned in the Bible.
Obviously we can tell the good apples from the bad ones.
How? Well, we look at the evidence. We look at the fruit. We look at the texts.
We look at the differences of doctrine. We look to see the good or bad impact between one line of Bibles vs. the other.
One Bible line treats the words of God as if they are silly putty, and the other treats them as the very words of God.

There is no such thing as a "Bible line". You've been brainwashed by the KJV-only propaganda.

 

[Dino246]

But follow the basic logic of the idea. Can you really say the Modern Bible Movement is superior with it being fundamentally based on the scholar instead of what the Scriptures say?

It isn't, at least no more than the KJV.

There is no absolute truth in the concept or idea within the Modern Bible Movement.

Utter bullhockey. The very nature of absolute truth is what drives the search for the original wording.

To me, your position is illogical

Right back atcha.

It would be like having a house contract when you buy a house and it has a bunch of conflicting statements in it that your lawyer finds that he says is concerning. You wouldn't buy a house that way, so then why do it with the most important book dealing with our very soul?

Again you misrepresent reality. The reality is more like two houses with identical foundations, structure, quality of building materials, builder, vendor, and price. The only difference is that one has engineered laminate flooring while the other has carpet. It's a preference thing. You want to deride the other house because it's different from your preference.

Just enjoy your warm fuzzy carpet and stop deriding those who choose differently.

 

[Genez]

But follow the basic logic of the idea.
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Here is my logic.

You will remain ignorant of many wonderful truths from God's Word that your 'KJV Only -tunnel vision,' prevents you from seeing.

Have an ice day.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

It isn't, at least no more than the KJV.


Utter bullhockey. The very nature of absolute truth is what drives the search for the original wording.


Right back atcha.


Again you misrepresent reality. The reality is more like two houses with identical foundations, structure, quality of building materials, builder, vendor, and price. The only difference is that one has engineered laminate flooring while the other has carpet. It's a preference thing. You want to deride the other house because it's different from your preference.

Just enjoy your warm fuzzy carpet and stop deriding those who choose differently.

Not at all. One text has tons of missing verses and changed doctrines. So either you are unknowledgeable on this topic, or you are simply not being honest with yourself about the changes. I say this because I have discovered many very concerning differences. Do you care to discuss them?


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