The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Bible_Highlighter]

None of these previous TR Bibles had any influence for hundreds of years like the KJV.
When Westcott and Hort came out with their Revised Version under the false lie that it was a KJV update when it wasn't one (Because it did not have the same underlying Greek text used for the KJV), it started the popular Modern Bible Movement we have today (Which is based on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus - which are inferior manuscripts). The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus is inferior because they have corrections all over them, and they teach obvious false. The KJV took off in popularity in the 1660s in England, and by 1700 in the United States. The Modern Bible Movement began in 1881 with Westcott and Hort, who were influenced by heretical German Rationalists.doctrines.


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@Dino246

Meant to add: "....The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus teach obvious false doctrines."


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[Genez]

Your missing the point. Like a murder case, we build our case on evidence. We look for patterns of evidence to build our case. What I am showing you here is just one of many evidences that makes things obvious to the simple man of faith.

One can find fault with any translation.

 

[Genez]

@Dino246

Meant to add: "....The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus teach obvious false doctrines."
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In the King James Version of the Bible, 1 John 3:9 states,
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"

Name on translation that does not teach false doctrines?


May I ask?

What sound doctrines are you capable of learning and growing in grace by?

You're obsessed and have blinders on by virtue of your obsession.
You are stuck in details, and never able to see the big picture.

For have, you learned more truth today that you did not know the day before?

"Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 3:18​

Williams translation states we need to be continuing to grow in grace and knowledge.
Wuest's translation states we should be constantly growing in grace and knowledge.

You? You are stuck in your obsession.

An obsession that is robbing you of God's wonderful potential for you in Christ!

 

[Dino246]

None of these previous TR Bibles had any influence for hundreds of years like the KJV.
When Westcott and Hort came out with their Revised Version under the false lie that it was a KJV update when it wasn't one (Because it did not have the same underlying Greek text used for the KJV), it started the popular Modern Bible Movement we have today (Which is based on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus - which are inferior manuscripts). The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus is inferior because they have corrections all over them, and they teach obvious false. The KJV took off in popularity in the 1660s in England, and by 1700 in the United States. The Modern Bible Movement began in 1881 with Westcott and Hort, who were influenced by heretical German Rationalists.doctrines.

Fallacy: moving the goalposts.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You are stuck in the wrong argument.

As are you.

It's become an obsessive distraction away from discovering the needed truth to be known as to make one able to mature in Christ.

What is truth? (John 18:38).
Jesus says to the Father, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).
Daniel 10:21 mentions the Scripture of truth. Most Original Onlyist Christians today do not believe that there is no “Scripture of truth” today. They believe the Scriptures are filled with truth and untruths (errors).

OK?
Finally...
Here is the best translation.
Now understand it!
Can you?
By yourself?????

Obviously you do not understand 1 John 2:27 I quoted to you before.

Certain Christians were reaching full maturity in days when no printed Bibles existed.
How did they do it?

They did have manuscripts in scroll form of various Scriptures.
While it is a fictional Christian film, did you ever see Polycarp?
The film in part shows Polycarp being a copyist of Scripture.
While this is not actually documented in history that Polycarp had done this, others had during his time.

• Tatian (circa 120–180 AD) – Tatian, a disciple of Justin Martyr, created the Diatessaron, a harmony of the four Gospels. This compilation reflects Tatian’s dedication to making the teachings of Jesus widely accessible. Though not a strict copy of each Gospel, it shows an early effort to preserve and consolidate Scripture for a unified understanding, especially in Syrian Christian communities.
• Clement of Alexandria (circa 150–215 AD) – Known for his wide-ranging writings, Clement often referenced both the Old and New Testaments. As an early Christian teacher in Alexandria, he trained future generations of Christians in Scriptural knowledge, emphasizing the need to accurately transmit these texts. This devotion to Scriptural education indirectly supported the preservation and copying of Scripture by his students and later theologians.
• The Muratorian Fragment – Dated to around 170 AD, this document (found in Rome) provides a partial list of New Testament books accepted by the early church. Its existence shows that by Polycarp’s time, early Christians were actively collecting, copying, and organizing Scriptures, particularly in major centers like Rome, to ensure the apostolic teachings were preserved.

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[Dino246]

@Dino246

Meant to add: "....The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus teach obvious false doctrines."

More fallacious personification.

People may have taught false doctrines while primarily using these manuscripts, but I doubt it. People have certainly used the KJV to teach false doctrines.

 

[Dino246]

Your observation does bring an important detail to light, but it doesn’t necessarily invalidate the Three Ahaziah Kings Theory entirely. Here’s how the theory could still hold, given that 2 Kings 8:16-18 describes Jehoram, Ahaziah’s father, as the son-in-law of Ahab:

Key Points of Clarification

1. Jehoram as the Son-in-Law of Ahab:
   • It’s correct that 2 Kings 8:16-18 identifies Jehoram, the father of Ahaziah, as Ahab’s son-in-law by marriage to Athaliah, Ahab’s daughter. This makes Ahaziah the grandson of Ahab, rather than a direct son-in-law.
2. Ahaziah’s Relationship to Ahab’s House:
   • While Jehoram is the direct son-in-law, Ahaziah, his son, is part of Ahab’s family lineage through Athaliah. 2 Kings 8:27 says Ahaziah “walked in the way of the house of Ahab,” which could imply that he was still significantly influenced by his connection to Ahab’s house.
3. Reconsidering the “Son-in-Law” Terminology:
   • Ancient texts sometimes use familial terms with broader meanings than we typically do today. In this context, “son-in-law of the house of Ahab” could be applied to Ahaziah due to his descent through his mother Athaliah, even though he was technically Ahab’s grandson.
4. Why the Theory Can Still Hold:
   • The distinctions between Ahaziah’s age (22 in 2 Kings and 42 in 2 Chronicles), familial connections, and the unique death circumstances of each Ahaziah (and the reactions of his mother Athaliah) still point to the possibility of multiple Ahaziahs with separate historical contexts.
   • If “son-in-law of the house of Ahab” is viewed as a description of influence or family loyalty rather than a strict familial role, this can still support the idea of two or even three distinct individuals named Ahaziah in 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles.

In Summary

While 2 Kings 8:16-18 clarifies Jehoram’s direct connection as Ahab’s son-in-law, the language could still imply Ahaziah’s significant alignment with Ahab’s house through his mother. This allows the theory to remain plausible by interpreting “son-in-law” in a broader, family-loyalty sense. The age discrepancies, separate descriptions of reigns, and differences in death circumstances still support the case for multiple Ahaziahs without suggesting error in the text.


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Fallacy: circular reasoning.

You cannot use the statements about Ahaziah’s age as evidence to explain the contradiction between them. Your theory is grasping at the wind.

 

[Dino246]

Also, by this statement you are for Revisionist history. The KJV is more than just some mere translation. It has had an impact unlike any other book for hundreds of years and led to three of the greatest revivals. Its idioms have become a part of English-speaking countries to both believers and unbelievers. It has helped to shape governments in a positive way. It was the standard in English-speaking countries for hundreds of years. Many have tried to make attempts to dethrone the KJV with their own Modern Bible in the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s, and not only did the KJV endure, but their Modern Bible faded away out of use to the sands of time.


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None of which says anything about it being the perfect translation. It’s all circumstantial and irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

Like Democrats, they ignore the reality of things you bring up,, which involves facts, and common sense logic.

You mean… like rejecting the plain conclusion that one of the texts on Ahaziah’s age is simply wrong? That is the common sense, logical conclusion that involves facts. Every KJV-onlyist “explanation” rejects the plain text.

 

[Dino246]

Your missing the point. Like a murder case, we build our case on evidence. We look for patterns of evidence to build our case. What I am showing you here is just one of many evidences that makes things obvious to the simple man of faith.


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It is hypocritical to claim this when you reject the evidence pointing to errors in the KJV. You are incapable of knowing truth when you reject the possibility of truth.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Fallacy: moving the goalposts.

Not at all. Counting from Tyndale's Translation (1526) to the 1611, we have 85 years.
Counting when the KJV became popular in the mid 1660s, this would be about 139 years.
So we had the KJV for 413 years. The Modern Bible Movement (1881) origins has been about 143 years. However, for decades most were deceived into thinking the Revised Version was just a KJV update (Which was a lie). The Bible debate began to intensify with the publication of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) in 1952. By the 1970s and 1980s, with the emergence of other popular translations like the New International Version (NIV) in 1978 and the New American Standard Bible (NASB) in 1971, the debate significantly heated up. So your movement did not really take any significant traction or major discussion until the 1970s. Before this time, it was mostly liberal churches that favored Modern Bibles. So again, your the new kids on the block. The KJV has a 400 year track record.


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[Bob-Carabbio]

I do not belive the word of God is a secret code that has to be figured out, unlocked or decoded.
God is not a god of mystery, he is not a god of confusion.
He does not hide from us, but shows himself openly. He is like the morning star.
He's word is ment to be easy to understand.

I know Jesus talked in parables to people, but Jesus said this was done to fullfill prophecy.

I do not beleive you have to attend a University to learn the meaning behind God's word. I believe you just have to reach out and take the KJV, and read it.

With the following CAUTION: Jesus sent us the HOLY SPIRIT, one of who's functions is to LEAD US INTO TRUTH.

"Theology" is what a person learns in a "University".

"Theology" doesn't necessarily have any connection to "TRUTH"!!!!I It's likely a MIXTURE of truth and error.

So READING the BIBLE is the proper activity for a Christian to involve themselves in, since the Holy Spirit indwells EVERY CHRISTIAN. His presence IN US is what makes us "Christians" to begin with. And the Holy Spirit will lead us into TRUTH.

The Biblical PROMISE is that "if we lack wisdom - ASK FOR IT", and as long as we ask singlemindedly (Really wanting to know), the Holy Spirit will supply what we need liberally (James 1:8) . So on the surface there IS a "Secret" since people WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIANS can't see God's Kingdom, but they can generate all sorts of religious foolishness, based on their religious (denominational) paradigms.

 

[Genez]

As are you.



What is truth? (John 18:38).
Jesus says to the Father, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).
Daniel 10:21 mentions the Scripture of truth. Most Original Onlyist Christians today do not believe that there is no “Scripture of truth” today. They believe the Scriptures are filled with truth and untruths (errors).



Obviously you do not understand 1 John 2:27 I quoted to you before.



They did have manuscripts in scroll form of various Scriptures.
While it is a fictional Christian film, did you ever see Polycarp?
The film in part shows Polycarp being a copyist of Scripture.
While this is not actually documented in history that Polycarp had done this, others had during his time.

• Tatian (circa 120–180 AD) – Tatian, a disciple of Justin Martyr, created the Diatessaron, a harmony of the four Gospels. This compilation reflects Tatian’s dedication to making the teachings of Jesus widely accessible. Though not a strict copy of each Gospel, it shows an early effort to preserve and consolidate Scripture for a unified understanding, especially in Syrian Christian communities.
• Clement of Alexandria (circa 150–215 AD) – Known for his wide-ranging writings, Clement often referenced both the Old and New Testaments. As an early Christian teacher in Alexandria, he trained future generations of Christians in Scriptural knowledge, emphasizing the need to accurately transmit these texts. This devotion to Scriptural education indirectly supported the preservation and copying of Scripture by his students and later theologians.
• The Muratorian Fragment – Dated to around 170 AD, this document (found in Rome) provides a partial list of New Testament books accepted by the early church. Its existence shows that by Polycarp’s time, early Christians were actively collecting, copying, and organizing Scriptures, particularly in major centers like Rome, to ensure the apostolic teachings were preserved.

Trailer:

Full Movie:

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You are promoting an argument that does NOTHING for us in teaching us the Bible.

Its a distraction away.

 

[Dino246]

Not at all.]

Yes, it is. You changed the subject, which was your assertion, “You guys are the new kids on the block.” Now, because you know you have no response, you are talking about the influence of various translations.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

It is hypocritical to claim this when you reject the evidence pointing to errors in the KJV. You are incapable of knowing truth when you reject the possibility of truth.

Errors in the Bible only exist for Bible agnostics.


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[Genez]

Your missing the point. Like a murder case, we build our case on evidence. We look for patterns of evidence to build our case. What I am showing you here is just one of many evidences that makes things obvious to the simple man of faith.


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While you're out there looking to prove a murder.

I am here looking to prove life.


“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction,
and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few
find it. '

Matthew 7:13-14

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You are promoting an argument that does NOTHING for us in teaching us the Bible.

Its a distraction away.

The Bibliology topic does involve the Bible. I have found numerous verses that talk about how we would have a perfect and preserved (singular) Word for today.


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[Genez]

Yes, it is. You changed the subject, which was your assertion, “You guys are the new kids on the block.” Now, because you know you have no response, you are talking about the influence of various translations.

He does not have the sense to know when he has been caught.
He'll keep preaching the same message to the prison guard.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

While you're out there looking to prove a murder.

I am here looking to prove life.

This so very democratic Left of you. Instead of reading my point in context, you decided to gaslight me. Any time you want to apologize, please feel free.

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction,
and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few
find it. '

Matthew 7:13-14

Right, the KJV is the narrow path. Most Christians in English-speaking countries today believe in shape shifter Bibles that are full of errors and it is up to them or the "guru" scholar to give the meaning (Just like the Catholic Church used to do with their priests involving the Latin). But the Bible will of course change in a few years again with new and exiting manuscripts in a cave somewhere. Modern Bibles have tons of omitted verses, and teach false doctrines. Heretics are attached to such a movement, as well. Why on Earth you are defending this movement is beyond me.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

Yes, it is. You changed the subject, which was your assertion, “You guys are the new kids on the block.” Now, because you know you have no response, you are talking about the influence of various translations.

You are not making any sense. What you said here does not refute my statement that the Modern Bible Movement (or the Westcott and Hort Movement) is relatively new compared to the reign of the King James Bible.


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