Applying God's Word to Politics
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I'm not sure what you mean by "lawfare", but those other issues are covered in God's Word. It's just that they are covered in The Old Testament Scriptures.
Guarding our nation's borders is perfectly acceptable, as that does not totally cut off the stranger from being allowed to enter the U.S. and become a U.S. citizen. God said to not oppress the stranger in your land, He didn't say open up your borders to just anyone who wants to come, like enemies who only want to overthrow.
Per the story of Tamar in Genesis 38, even a man dropping his seed on the ground is an abomination to God, for He killed one for doing that.
Globalism should be a very easy issue to understand per history in God's Word. Who doesn't know their Bible history about the tower of Babel, and what it represented, and why God destroyed it and confused the one language that all peoples then spoke? Yet for the end of this world, God has ordained the coming one-world beast kingdom, as it will help with pruning out the unfaithful and the deceived who don't listen to Him in His Word of Truth.
I agree for the most part but not sure if “ordained” means blessed. God allows evil but does not desire people to sin.
Lawfare refers to governmental tyranny like the Dems are doing thanks to George Soros and other Globalists/Fascists.
Yes, but per Isaiah 10 about "the Assyrian" title used as a type for Satan, God uses him against the sinner and the wicked, that is, for during this present world. In the old world Satan actually followed God, as God said He created him originally perfect in his ways (Ezekiel 28).
That's actually one of the things that made me get back into God's Word when I turned 40 and finally got baptized in Christ. I was raised in a mainstream Protestant Church from my youth, but never got baptized till 40. In the early '70's, I found out about the globalist's plan for a "one world government". I researched a lot of political writings that most wouldn't think of reading. Even Woodrow Wilson was on board with their plan, as he mentioned the phrase New World Order in one of his speech's, and he had his right hand man Col. Mandel House an office right next to him, when House was definitely for one world government. When U.S. Congress then refused to join the League of Nations during the Wilson administration, Mandel House wrote a book called Philip Drew: Administrator, which was a novel about the idea of one world government.
The reason I say God has 'ordained' this to come to pass is especially because Lucifer attempted to create a one world beast kingdom back at his original rebellion when he coveted God's Throne. Many don't realize that's the very first beast kingdom that existed when reading the Revelation 12:3-4 verses, as it had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns. The Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom, which is for the end of this present world, is to have ten crowns. Thus God is allowing Satan to try and do it again, but it will fail just like God destroyed Lucifer's original attempt at it. This means we have to think 'out-of-the-box' a little bit, and ask ourselves why... God would allow Satan to do it again at the end of this present world?? The only reason I can think of is using Satan to do some pruning of the symbolic branches. Since Satan caused this present imperfect 2nd world earth age of sin and death, God uses him as a punisher upon the wicked.
Yes, fascism in the USA can be viewed as beginning with President Wilson. Unfortunately the communists were able to end Senator McCarthy’s campaign in the 1950s when it needed to change the focus from Hollywood to Academia.
It really would. As so many are wicked people, drug dealers, pimps, murderers, gang members. They came to seek a better life thats for sure.
Deportation through plane, boat or in some cases bullet if they are committing murder or rape within the country.
(We don't. We don't mix politics with God. We never legislate religion)
Yes we do, all the time.
POL'ITICS, noun The science of government; that part of ethics which consists in the regulation and government of a nation or state, for the preservation of its safety, peace and prosperity; comprehending the defense of its existence and rights against foreign control or conquest, the augmentation of its strength and resources, and the protection of its citizens in their rights, with the preservation and improvement of their morals. politics as a science or an art, is a subject of vast extent and importance.
Laws are exactly the legislation of morality. The very reason politics exist is because of the debate to do things that align with God or against Him.
(because we become like some fundamentalist Muslim countries.)
Not true. Would laws directed by Jesus be a bad thing for a country?
(We can never make someone believe what we want, otherwise the Most High would have made us robots to begin with since The Garden.)
True. To have Biblically guided laws doesn't automatically imply citizens need to believe. That is exactly the way it was for America's formation.
(We can lead someone to water but we can't make them drink.)
True. But we can restrict them from drowning their neighbor.
(This is why we separate these topics.)
100% no.
(In this election, i am hoping that Trump wins to counterbalance the insanity from the left.)
Me too.
As a person who came to America legally, I think people love to talk about this topic but that's because it doesn't touch them, or so they think. America has always had an open door to LEGAL citizens. When I came with my family to this country, we were vetted. They made sure we would not depend on the gov't. We had to have a sponsor who could look after us financially if we needed it. If we commit any crime we were told we would automatically be sent out of the country for 10yrs, more depending on the offence. We came on a missionary Visa, we weren't taking any jobs. No one gave us a place to stay, no one gave us money or help in any way. In fact, we had a terrible time trying to get a license changed over to an American license and had to have friends drive us everywhere for several months. Greencard holders cannot vote in elections, even though they pay taxes. It costs over a thousand dollars to become a US citizen. We had to go to a special doctor to make sure we had no disease and had all our needles, we're Canadian. So please don't hand me a sob story about illegals and pretend you're being a Christian by supporting them. You want to be Christian? Support and sponsor someone who wants to come LEGALLY to the US and help make America great, instead of giving to criminal illegals.
We may be citizens of another Kingdom but we are still part of the world physically.
1 Corinthians 5:10 New English Translation
10 In no way did I mean the immoral people of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters, since you would then have to go out of the world.
Paul not only worked for the Heavenly Kingdom but he also used his Roman rights, his Greek philosophical knowledge, and his Pharisee background when needed to advance the gospel.
To completely separate from the world, we would need to be dead.
It sounded as if you was making the case for not participating in politics. I was simply sharing the alternative view.
I was making that case.
Man proposes, God disposes.
Now if there was someone worth voting for... Nah, can't do it. Goes against everything I believe in. But your mileage may vary. Let me know how it all worked out after the selection.
I suppose my point is, to separate from the world you either must be a monk or dead.
Is it a sin to vote for Biblical values? Or is it a sin to be apathetic towards evil? To see it but do nothing to try and preserve what is good?
Maybe things don't always have to be this or that.
To imply that choosing not to vote requires apathy towards evil is a bit of a stretch.
In my opinion, voting is about as close to doing nothing about evil as one can get.
And in most cases is openly supporting it, whether the voter realizes this is neither here nor there.
Seeing as its way less effective than fasting and prayer, I'll just spend my time doing other more productive things.
Then I hope you're not utilising any of the infrastructure or services governments provide as they are not part of His Kingdom either.
Matthew 22:21
“Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Christians ought to be the most responsible citizen of any country and give real thought to who they elect based on their policies and not on their personalities or popularity.
This is a ridiculous comment.Then I hope you're not utilising any of the infrastructure or services governments provide as they are not part of His Kingdom either.
Matthew 22:21
“Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Christians ought to be the most responsible citizen of any country and give real thought to who they elect based on their policies and not on their personalities or popularity.
But your hopes have been fulfilled.
I live completely off grid. I'm actually sitting here in my insulated coveralls pondering if its too late in the day to tear town my heater and get it running again. Looks like tomorrow. I haven't taken a dime from Uncle Scam in maybe twenty years, and when I'm eligible for SS, I won't draw it. I don't go to doctors or watch television either, or listen to the radio, and I haven't since about 1990. Dentists have been unavoidable, but I pay cash. No Medicare etc. I drive into town about once a month, but I'm pretty sure the gas taxes covered any obligations I have there. Are you happy now? Have I fulfilled enough of your arbitrary demands to relinquish my civic duties? Or are there some additional forms or something I need to submit? My kingdom, His Kingdom, is not of this world. Its a pretty basic biblical concept.
peace
1 Corinthians 9:22b I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.