The hatred of Jews

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HeIsHere

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No one said the Gospel is different. Jews are saved the same way as everyone else. But right now they are blinded for a time.
Oh so you are actually a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews, they cannot believe for over 2000+ years.
Makes sense.
 

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And quite frankly, to debate it with you now when the evidence is overwhelming would be a waste of my time and your patience.

It is absolutely impossible to debate with sound bites, the same shallow talking points and spoon fed nonsense from the pulpit like "Israel was born in a day" and they "still have the deed to the land."
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Why is your message to the spiritual Pharisees different to that of John the Baptist?

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Romans 11 -23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”



Do you all hear me now???!!!!
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Oh so you are actually a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews, they cannot believe for over 2000+ years.
Makes sense.

I didn't write it, read it!!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited:
Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in....
 

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Oh so you are actually a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews, they cannot believe for over 2000+ years.
Makes sense.
I wonder how many Jews will perish in hellfire because of Christians who "blessed them" by pretending that they were God's Chosen people and that their sins would be overlooked because of this.
Romans 11 -23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”



Do you all hear me now???!!!!
But whenever we talk of their sins or their damnation, or that Christians should not partake in their sins by "blessing" their wickedness, you accuse us of anti-Semitism and of "cursing" them. So what is it to be? Are they damned sinners in need of the Saviour who need to be grafted into the true Vine, or are they God's chosen people who will be automatically saved because of their lineage that has been unable to be verified for near 2000 years since the temple was destroyed?
 

HeIsHere

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you are not going to pick up a much more carefully crafted conspiracy a century or more in the making.
Yes I agree, this conspiracy is very well crafted with they have immense power to suppress the truth or even to carry on in spite of the evidence.

Snipers are aiming and killing children, targeting food supplies, starving the population..... and the evidence is undeniable.

"The bigger the lie the more they believe."

There is a reason someone made this claim.
 

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I wonder how many Jews will perish in hellfire because of Christians who "blessed them" by pretending that they were God's Chosen people and that their sins would be overlooked because of this.
But whenever we talk of their sins or their damnation, or that Christians should not partake in their sins by "blessing" their wickedness, you accuse us of anti-Semitism and of "cursing" them. So what is it to be? Are they damned sinners in need of the Saviour who need to be grafted into the true Vine, or are they God's chosen people who will be automatically saved because of their lineage that has been unable to be verified for near 2000 years since the temple was destroyed?
Anther tragedy, not understanding scripture has dire consequences.

I read yesterday that when Billy Graham went to Israel in the 60's he was told to not share the Gospel so he spoke about his travels.

A telegram was sent with Ben Gurion’s conditions:
“He does not mind that Billy Graham preaches in the Mann Hall, but he has one condition that Graham will not mention the name of Jesus or read from the Bible”.
[1] Bader Mansour, When Billy Graham Visited Israel, Baptists in Israel, 21/2/2018
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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It is absolutely impossible to debate with sound bites, the same shallow talking points and spoon fed nonsense from the pulpit like "Israel was born in a day" and they "still have the deed to the land."

God promised Abraham a land for His people. And He gave it irrevocably. None of you have yet gotten off step one. He is Here you're not mocking and red x ing my words. Everlasting means temporary?! Unconditional, irrevocable, these are not my words, nor Darby, nor Calvinism, or any other ism. That is the covenant, the Abrahamic covenant that God made. You cannot get past "everlasting, unconditional, irrevocable". The Bible is plain how the covenant was made, God said more than once that it was everlasting. Now I know you consider yourself smarter than the whole of everyone here. And you may well be, congrats. But even you can't make an everlasting covenant temporary or change the people it was made to. You're not mocking me, as much fun as you seem to get out of it, you need to take it up with God. You, Mo, Yah, have not gotten past step one. Everlasting, spoken by God, means just that. You can't change it. Period.
 

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Every epistle was written to Christians of that time - but, as we know, have "implications" for future generations. Prophecy is as it is written - at whatever time and place the particular prophecy indicates.
Well this is the issue then what "implications" and how far into the future?

The historicist position is once again looking to attach current events to a fulfillment of prophecy, this is where once again it becomes problematic.
 

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Romans 11 -23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”



Do you all hear me now???!!!!
Game set match. And in only 5 verses. And then of course there are THOUSANDS of passages that fully support your 5.
I have done similarly in 3 verses, 4 verses, and 5 verses.

The thing is......the deniers have no answer to the 70th week. Which will surely come to pass for the sake of the full and final redemption of the nation Israel.

For these people, its just soooooo brutal to know that Jesus God loves His brethren the Jews (and yes He likewise loves every other sinner on planet earth) and fully intends on upholding His promises to Abraham.
 

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The thing is......the deniers have no answer to the 70th week. Which will surely come to pass for the sake of the full and final redemption of the nation Israel.
Lol. We have an answer to the 70th week, which you refuse to accept and keep pretending you can't read/hear. The 70th week ended nearly 2000 years ago, and was fulfilled just as prophesied. It came immediately after the 69th week, which most all of those without a non-Christian political agenda would agree makes the most sense of the text.
 

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There is no gap, this is at the crux of the error of dispensationalism I think.
So tell us again how the 70th week has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED on behalf of the children of Israel for their good.
You know.....the same as the 69th week, where Jesus, healed, taught, blessed and SAVED MANY ISRAELITES. Thousands and thousands of Israelites. And of course untold numbers of gentiles as well.

But you do not see the 70th week this way. On the contrary, you believe that the 70th week has been fulfilled......to utterly annihilate the Jews once and for all. To wipe them out. To destroy them root and branch.

Yet.....here they are in the land today! What a shock.
 

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Lol. We have an answer to the 70th week, which you refuse to accept and keep pretending you can't read/hear. The 70th week ended nearly 2000 years ago, and was fulfilled just as prophesied. It came immediately after the 69th week, which most all of those without a non-Christian political agenda would agree makes the most sense of the text.
Here you go buddy. You have no answer. You just don't get it. Too bad so sad.
And believe it......there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of passages that prove what I say beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt.
Except evidently in your darkened mind.

So tell us again how the 70th week has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED on behalf of the children of Israel for their good, TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.
You know.....the same as the 69th week, where Jesus, healed, taught, blessed and SAVED MANY ISRAELITES. Thousands and thousands of Israelites. And of course untold numbers of gentiles as well.


But you do not see the 70th week this way. On the contrary, you believe that the 70th week has been fulfilled......to utterly annihilate the Jews once and for all. To wipe them out. To destroy them root and branch.

Yet.....here they are in the land today! What a shock.

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 

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I wonder how many Jews will perish in hellfire because of Christians who "blessed them" by pretending that they were God's Chosen people and that their sins would be overlooked because of this.
No! No you're not going to use my words and lie. No where have I said the Jews are saved differently than anyone else. You're not putting words in my mouth I did not say!!! I haven't done it to you, you will not do it to me!



But whenever we talk of their sins or their damnation, or that Christians should not partake in their sins by "blessing" their wickedness
you accuse us of anti-Semitism and of "cursing" them
No, that's totally untrue. Have any of you picked up a Bible and read it? Do you just rip out chapters you don't like? Just re-write portions that you don't want to hear?
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.



So what is it to be? Are they damned sinners in need of the Saviour who need to be grafted into the true Vine, or are they God's chosen people who will be automatically saved because of their lineage that has been unable to be verified for near 2000 years since the temple was destroyed?
Man, why are you asking us?! Did you throw Romans 11 into the garbage? The answer is there but you don't want to believe it! You're making a man made religion full of nonsense. The answer is literally right there, in the Word, I just posted it!!!
 

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Lol. We have an answer to the 70th week, which you refuse to accept and keep pretending you can't read/hear. The 70th week ended nearly 2000 years ago, and was fulfilled just as prophesied. It came immediately after the 69th week, which most all of those without a non-Christian political agenda would agree makes the most sense of the text.


God promised Abraham a land for His people. And He gave it irrevocably... the Abrahamic covenant that God made.

Prove me wrong Mo. The red x is lazy. Show me in Scripture where the Abrahamic Covenant was temporary. I'll wait.
 

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Here you go buddy. You have no answer. You just don't get it. Too bad so sad.
And believe it......there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of passages that prove what I say beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt.
Except evidently in your darkened mind.

So tell us again how the 70th week has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED on behalf of the children of Israel for their good.
You know.....the same as the 69th week, where Jesus, healed, taught, blessed and SAVED MANY ISRAELITES. Thousands and thousands of Israelites. And of course untold numbers of gentiles as well.
Oh, well, I don't know! The promise of salvation for all who believe, both Jew and Gentile, not by works, but by believing in the atoning work of Christ Jesus on the cross to pay for their sins? Is that not something worth more than all the land on Earth, let alone a little patch of land in the middle East? What would a man gain in exchange for his soul, and all that? Methinks you do not realise just how amazing and important Jesus' death and sacrifice is for all of mankind, both Jew and Gentile.

Yet.....here they are in the land today! What a shock.
Like I keep saying, prove it. Prove they are real Jews, and not simply Europeans who immigrated a few hundred years ago and stole the title, or yet some other third party. You can't, because the temple records were destroyed at the end of the age, and the prophecy was fulfilled at the time - not just mere decades ago or whenever you are arguing for.
 

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God promised Abraham a land for His people. And He gave it irrevocably... the Abrahamic covenant that God made.

Prove me wrong Mo. The red x is lazy. Show me in Scripture where the Abrahamic Covenant was temporary. I'll wait.
Don't worry about it. These people have been soundly defeated. It wasn't even a fair fight.
 

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Like I keep saying, prove it. Prove they are real Jews, and not simply Europeans who immigrated a few hundred years ago and stole the title, or yet some other third party. You can't, because the temple records were destroyed at the end of the age, and the prophecy was fulfilled at the time - not just mere decades ago or whenever you are arguing for.
And there is your pathetic argument. An idiotic conspiracy theory. As if every actual son of Jacob in the universe was wiped out.
Every one of them dead, no seed, no children nothing. Extinct.