Oh so you are actually a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews, they cannot believe for over 2000+ years.
Makes sense.
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Oh so you are actually a Calvinist when it comes to the Jews, they cannot believe for over 2000+ years.
Makes sense.
It is absolutely impossible to debate with sound bites, the same shallow talking points and spoon fed nonsense from the pulpit like "Israel was born in a day" and they "still have the deed to the land."
Romans 11 -23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
Do you all hear me now???!!!!
I didn't write it, read it!!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in....
I wonder how many Jews will perish in hellfire because of Christians who "blessed them" by pretending that they were God's Chosen people and that their sins would be overlooked because of this.
But whenever we talk of their sins or their damnation, or that Christians should not partake in their sins by "blessing" their wickedness, you accuse us of anti-Semitism and of "cursing" them. So what is it to be? Are they damned sinners in need of the Saviour who need to be grafted into the true Vine, or are they God's chosen people who will be automatically saved because of their lineage that has been unable to be verified for near 2000 years since the temple was destroyed?
Yes I agree, this conspiracy is very well crafted with they have immense power to suppress the truth or even to carry on in spite of the evidence.
Snipers are aiming and killing children, targeting food supplies, starving the population..... and the evidence is undeniable.
"The bigger the lie the more they believe."
There is a reason someone made this claim.
Anther tragedy, not understanding scripture has dire consequences.
I read yesterday that when Billy Graham went to Israel in the 60's he was told to not share the Gospel so he spoke about his travels.
A telegram was sent with Ben Gurion’s conditions:
“He does not mind that Billy Graham preaches in the Mann Hall, but he has one condition that Graham will not mention the name of Jesus or read from the Bible”.
[1] Bader Mansour, When Billy Graham Visited Israel, Baptists in Israel, 21/2/2018
God promised Abraham a land for His people. And He gave it irrevocably. None of you have yet gotten off step one. He is Here you're not mocking and red x ing my words. Everlasting means temporary?! Unconditional, irrevocable, these are not my words, nor Darby, nor Calvinism, or any other ism. That is the covenant, the Abrahamic covenant that God made. You cannot get past "everlasting, unconditional, irrevocable". The Bible is plain how the covenant was made, God said more than once that it was everlasting. Now I know you consider yourself smarter than the whole of everyone here. And you may well be, congrats. But even you can't make an everlasting covenant temporary or change the people it was made to. You're not mocking me, as much fun as you seem to get out of it, you need to take it up with God. You, Mo, Yah, have not gotten past step one. Everlasting, spoken by God, means just that. You can't change it. Period.
Well this is the issue then what "implications" and how far into the future?
The historicist position is once again looking to attach current events to a fulfillment of prophecy, this is where once again it becomes problematic.
Game set match. And in only 5 verses. And then of course there are THOUSANDS of passages that fully support your 5.
I have done similarly in 3 verses, 4 verses, and 5 verses.
The thing is......the deniers have no answer to the 70th week. Which will surely come to pass for the sake of the full and final redemption of the nation Israel.
For these people, its just soooooo brutal to know that Jesus God loves His brethren the Jews (and yes He likewise loves every other sinner on planet earth) and fully intends on upholding His promises to Abraham.
(It is not talking about the Abomination of Desolation.)
Do you have a place where you deal with this in your website, I think we disagree but I am curious.
This is one area where I did do a deep dive years ago and changed my path.
Lol. We have an answer to the 70th week, which you refuse to accept and keep pretending you can't read/hear. The 70th week ended nearly 2000 years ago, and was fulfilled just as prophesied. It came immediately after the 69th week, which most all of those without a non-Christian political agenda would agree makes the most sense of the text.
So tell us again how the 70th week has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED on behalf of the children of Israel for their good.
You know.....the same as the 69th week, where Jesus, healed, taught, blessed and SAVED MANY ISRAELITES. Thousands and thousands of Israelites. And of course untold numbers of gentiles as well.
But you do not see the 70th week this way. On the contrary, you believe that the 70th week has been fulfilled......to utterly annihilate the Jews once and for all. To wipe them out. To destroy them root and branch.
Yet.....here they are in the land today! What a shock.
Here you go buddy. You have no answer. You just don't get it. Too bad so sad.
And believe it......there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of passages that prove what I say beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt.
Except evidently in your darkened mind.
So tell us again how the 70th week has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED on behalf of the children of Israel for their good, TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.
You know.....the same as the 69th week, where Jesus, healed, taught, blessed and SAVED MANY ISRAELITES. Thousands and thousands of Israelites. And of course untold numbers of gentiles as well.
But you do not see the 70th week this way. On the contrary, you believe that the 70th week has been fulfilled......to utterly annihilate the Jews once and for all. To wipe them out. To destroy them root and branch.
Yet.....here they are in the land today! What a shock.
Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
No! No you're not going to use my words and lie. No where have I said the Jews are saved differently than anyone else. You're not putting words in my mouth I did not say!!! I haven't done it to you, you will not do it to me!
No, that's totally untrue. Have any of you picked up a Bible and read it? Do you just rip out chapters you don't like? Just re-write portions that you don't want to hear?
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Man, why are you asking us?! Did you throw Romans 11 into the garbage? The answer is there but you don't want to believe it! You're making a man made religion full of nonsense. The answer is literally right there, in the Word, I just posted it!!!
God promised Abraham a land for His people. And He gave it irrevocably... the Abrahamic covenant that God made.
Prove me wrong Mo. The red x is lazy. Show me in Scripture where the Abrahamic Covenant was temporary. I'll wait.
Oh, well, I don't know! The promise of salvation for all who believe, both Jew and Gentile, not by works, but by believing in the atoning work of Christ Jesus on the cross to pay for their sins? Is that not something worth more than all the land on Earth, let alone a little patch of land in the middle East? What would a man gain in exchange for his soul, and all that? Methinks you do not realise just how amazing and important Jesus' death and sacrifice is for all of mankind, both Jew and Gentile.
Like I keep saying, prove it. Prove they are real Jews, and not simply Europeans who immigrated a few hundred years ago and stole the title, or yet some other third party. You can't, because the temple records were destroyed at the end of the age, and the prophecy was fulfilled at the time - not just mere decades ago or whenever you are arguing for.
Don't worry about it. These people have been soundly defeated. It wasn't even a fair fight.
And there is your pathetic argument. An idiotic conspiracy theory. As if every actual son of Jacob in the universe was wiped out.
Every one of them dead, no seed, no children nothing. Extinct.