Purgatory, Catholic Bible vs Protestant Bible

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If you're a young Catholic person considering a vocation in the Church, I
strongly urge you to avoid getting to it right out of high school. Give yourself
a chance to grow up first; especially seeing as how the new 21 is around 26
these days.

My reason for this is because too many young novices are starry-eyed and
don't know yet just how unpleasant it is to live with perpetual sexual
frustration.

Also; God stated in the very beginning that it is not good for men to live solo
without a woman for companionship. And if so, then it must also not be good
for women to go it alone.

In Shaunti Feldhahn's book "For Women Only" (ISBN 1-59052-317-2) she
relates a survey taken among segregated groups of men and women with
this question:

"Given a choice; would you rather be disrespected, or would you rather be
alone and unloved in the world?"

Just about every one of the ladies chose disrespect over living alone and
unloved in the world and that's obviously because mankind's creator didn't
wire Eve to function solo; no, she was wired to be with a man; in a couple's
relationship.

Another example: some time ago, a Catholic priest here in Oregon broke his
vows and quit the vocation to get married after serving the Church more
than 30 years because he could endure gender segregation no longer. He
wasn't especially looking to get bedded, he was just plain lonely and wanted
very much to be with somebody; which is exactly how normal guys came out
of the box via intelligent design.

Back when I and my siblings were youngsters, my sister dated a guy who
dropped out of seminary because he came to the realization early-on that
there was just no way he could ever manage to suppress his natural
impulses forever without risking a nervous breakdown.

My point is: celibacy isn't everyone's cup of tea and no one should allow
themselves to be pressured into it against their feelings, their conscience,
and/or their better judgment.
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Bob-Carabbio

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Is this a real thing or no.
I mean the Catholic Church was the main church for 1,000 years and spirit led and they teach this but it's not in the protestant bible but in their catholic bible. How do we know which teaching from what books are correct.
"Purgatory" was created by PLATO the philosopher. It's not in the Roman Catholic Apocrypha additions either, but they've "Interopreted it in" as a "Cash COw" for them (coins clink in etc.).

SInce it's essentially a MONEY SCAM, where cash will buy your way out, it's obviously not about "Purication" at all, but only about building up the treasury.
 
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The Orthodox Church is not Catholic but i don't recommend you go to one, despite being in Scotland because it would be a culture shock for you.
That's how the Protestant Churches seemed to me initially. I do have an open mind so that eventually let me to seek and understand the differences, see the good in all the people and then participate with them.
So unless you have an open mind, you will have a culture shock.
I don't mind about being shocked but would it be a good church to go to for guidance, to be discipled and meet spirit filled followers of Christ?

Weird. Google search says that they are Catholic, although it was eastern orthodox i typed in.
 

justahumanbeing

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There's a movie called purgatory. it's a western. I liked it. Good movie.

That said, the very reason for Luther's reformation movement and the birth of Protestantism was Purgatory. The Catholic Church at the time was selling indulgences so that those who bought those indulgences can be pardoned their sins and go straight to Heaven without having to go to purgatory.

Which means that the wealthy will go to heaven and the poor will spend time in purgatory. As if all the hardship they go through on earth wasn't enough.

Luther called out that this was a scam. He wrote the 95 Theses.

Catholic Church asked Luther to recant his beliefs in the 95 Theses. Luther rebelled and the rest is history.

End of the day all religions aim for the mind control of the believer. Religion is after all a set of beliefs.

I believe in Jesus, yes.

But I am always skeptical about what the preacher preaches or what any Church teaches.

The Good book is there. Your life is there. Believe and live life. That's all
 

CS1

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The RCC teaches far more damnable things than this. Currently there is no hell or eternal judgment
 

jacko

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There's a movie called purgatory. it's a western. I liked it. Good movie.

That said, the very reason for Luther's reformation movement and the birth of Protestantism was Purgatory. The Catholic Church at the time was selling indulgences so that those who bought those indulgences can be pardoned their sins and go straight to Heaven without having to go to purgatory.

Which means that the wealthy will go to heaven and the poor will spend time in purgatory. As if all the hardship they go through on earth wasn't enough.

Luther called out that this was a scam. He wrote the 95 Theses.

Catholic Church asked Luther to recant his beliefs in the 95 Theses. Luther rebelled and the rest is history.

End of the day all religions aim for the mind control of the believer. Religion is after all a set of beliefs.

I believe in Jesus, yes.

But I am always skeptical about what the preacher preaches or what any Church teaches.

The Good book is there. Your life is there. Believe and live life. That's all

what about the following:

1 Corinthians 11:2 "I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions as I passed them on to you.

Hebrews 13:17 - "have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you and those must give an account."
 
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I guess that's a question you should ask the Holy Spirit but I'm sure everything that God does and doesn't do, much of which we are probably unaware, is the best that can be done/not done.

Given the nature of humans, if you grow up within a religion such as catholicism, the desires of your heart may be to serve God, and you may never understand that much of what makes up the religion you're involved in is anti-Christian.
they have eyes that don't see and ears that don't hear the Holy Spirit departs if He is never Listened too
 

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Justahumanbeing,

The Russia Orthodox church is the largest eastern domination in the world but there are 16 others easten orthadox denominations. The catholic and Easter Orthodox church share many similarities they have archbishop bishops priest and deacons. they also do confessions regularly, study the saints and diligently observe fasts but the main diffrence is the eastern Orthadox churches reject purgatory and do not pray to Mary unlike the catholics.


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I don't mind about being shocked but would it be a good church to go to for guidance, to be discipled and meet spirit filled followers of Christ?

Weird. Google search says that they are Catholic, although it was eastern orthodox i typed in.
Let me answer the Google question first since that's easy. I have been working with computers and now with cloud computing for a combined 25+ years.
Google is not a source of knowledge just like "AI" is not Artificial Intelligence. Google is a program written by humans to gather data on the web which is published by other humans.
So, with that being said, as you saw in the picture i posted earlier, all of us are part of One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The Roman Catholics took a bit of a detour in year 1000~ and created the Roman Catholic Church.
So, the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are not the same thing. For one, we don't believe the Pope should exist as a position.

Your other question is not so easy to answer and it's very complex.
In short, in every group or church you will find a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly.
So, the Orthodox Church is no different.
The Orthodox Church is a bit like the Mac Operating System where we don't even get negative attention from the viruses since we're a small segment of Christianity. There's like 300 million worldwide. Whereas the Catholics and the Protestants get all the attention with numbers like 1.4 billion and 1 billion worldwide.

For me the Orthodox Church is more appealing for two main reasons. There hasn't been any schisms since the time of the apostles and the message of Salvation in the Orthodox Church makes more sense to me when i compare it to other Churches.
Hope this helps you.
 
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sorry for the unrequested edit but I couldn't read it sideways
 

justahumanbeing

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what about the following:

1 Corinthians 11:2 "I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions as I passed them on to you.

Hebrews 13:17 - "have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you and those must give an account."
Let me ask you this. You always do as you are told? Obey your parents all the time? Are those in authority always right?

That's how people kill each other in God's name and justify it. A lot of evil can be done doing what you're told and submitting to authority.

I agree with those verses. But context matters.

Where, when and why matters in usage of those verses.

Not blindly follow authority and tradition.

I accept the authority Jesus has over me. I honour those who speak in His name as long as they do what Jesus' would deem good.

But who does that nowadays?
 

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CS1. I'm not sure what you mean about the rcc not believing in Hell?

Don Basco visions of Hell
https://militia-immaculatae.asia/english/Biographysaints46.php
I will tell you. an RC Preist who performed the funeral services for a family member told us all the Pope has said there is no eternal Torment in hell. I quote," That was old traditions ." I question him personally. We talked for about 30 minutes, and he explained that this had been done away. I even created a post of this experience a few months ago.


Family Funeral yesterday RCC Priest I confronted
Yesterday, I attended my aunt's funeral; she was 86, and I was able to speak and memorialize her. The Catholic priest who led the service said many things that I had to confront him about. His answers were very shocking and disappointing. He said 1. there is no eternal punishment. That...
 

jacko

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Let me ask you this. You always do as you are told? Obey your parents all the time? Are those in authority always right?

That's how people kill each other in God's name and justify it. A lot of evil can be done doing what you're told and submitting to authority.

I agree with those verses. But context matters.

Where, when and why matters in usage of those verses.

Not blindly follow authority and tradition.

I accept the authority Jesus has over me. I honour those who speak in His name as long as they do what Jesus' would deem good.

But who does that nowadays?
Basically, you’re saying… I trust in Jesus, but only my interpretation of the truth through the word. I’m not sure that makes sense to me but I’m not judging.

and that’s how we got 45000 Protestant demonizations
 

justahumanbeing

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Basically, you’re saying… I trust in Jesus, but only my interpretation of the truth through the word. I’m not sure that makes sense to me but I’m not judging.
Again isn't that how any religion works? Don't tell me that there are people who follow everything the religion says to the T. If people think they're that perfect, then there is something wrong with them. I'm not saying I'm perfect. But ultimately you being part of a Church, you follow the teachings since you're a child. Life teaches you hard lessons. You take what you need from life and from the Church and you move forward. Isn't that the natural thing to do?

I'm not calling the Church and it's leadership a crutch. Far from it. I worship there together with other Christians and a "Leader". But once you see everything as it is, you can't unsee it. You have your own understanding. You perceive things your way. Don't you?

I like my life to be simple that's all. It's ok. You can judge. In fact, as you say that, you are judging. Didn't you know?
 
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what about the following:

Hebrews 13:17 - "have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you and those must give an account."
We are also told "believe not every spirit" but to test them against the Word of GOD. There are quite a few false teachers and preachers at work today and while they will be held accountable, so will the listeners to some degree.
 

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Is this a real thing or no.
I mean the Catholic Church was the main church for 1,000 years and spirit led and they teach this but it's not in the protestant bible but in their catholic bible. How do we know which teaching from what books are correct.
purgatory isn't in the catholic Bible.
we have the same Bible.
 

rrcn

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So where was the Holy Spirit when this happened? Why did it not rebuke the pope and other Christians of the time?
The people did not have access to the Bible during the period of time you are discussing. This period of time was also known as the dark ages. Why not do little research on the true Saints of history, the people who studied their Bible and identified the Catholic Church as the anti-Christ.: