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Magenta said:
LOL. Other sources say something different. Surely you have seen other sources? Reputable. sources do not always agree. Your argument is with them. Your logical fallacy does not fly.
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The Godhead is clearly seen in creation. It is significant then, that all creation actually consists of three parts, with each of its distinct components of time, space and matter comprising and pervading the whole universe. And each of these components consists of three parts. Time has past, present and future. Space has the three dimensions of length, breadth and width; and matter can exist in three forms; solid, liquid and gas.The whole electromagnetic spectrum (gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet, visible light, infrared, microwaves and radio waves) is comprised of three components; an electric field, a magnetic field, and motion. Clearly, God has left His signature on His creation.

The word cohead (co-head) is similar to Godhead: Cohead refers to: “someone who is in charge of a group or organization together with one or more other people:”

Sources used:
Source: https://www.adefenceofthebible.com/2016/06/02/the-godhead/
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/co-head

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Cameron143 said:
What about subatomic particles?
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Sorry, I had to tease ya a little to lighten the mood here.

Anyway, to answer your question:

Yes, subatomic particles known as baryons are made up of three components, specifically three quarks. The most well-known examples of baryons are:
  1. Proton: Composed of two up quarks and one down quark (uud).
  2. Neutron: Composed of one up quark and two down quarks (udd).
I hope this helps and may God bless you.

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Bible_Highlighter said:
What about Trump's claim that the Haitians are eating the cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio?


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Some examples only seem to work, but in reality do not. While I believe the Godhead is trinitarian, I don't believe this is what is in view in Romans 1. The Apostle is concerned to relate why mankind is held responsible before God, and not what is entailed in the Godhead.
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
Sorry, I had to tease ya a little to lighten the mood here.

Anyway, to answer your question:

Yes, subatomic particles known as baryons are made up of three components, specifically three quarks. The most well-known examples of baryons are:
  1. Proton: Composed of two up quarks and one down quark (uud).
  2. Neutron: Composed of one up quark and two down quarks (udd).
I hope this helps and may God bless you.

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There are alot of quarks on this site.
 
Cameron143 said:
Some examples only seem to work, but in reality do not. While I believe the Godhead is trinitarian, I don't believe this is what is in view in Romans 1. The Apostle is concerned to relate why mankind is held responsible before God, and not what is entailed in the Godhead.
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I respectfully disagree. Mankind being responsible for knowing about God's existence is demonstrated in showing that he is without excuse in the fact that even the invisible things in nature that declare God is triune (i.e., the Godhead) can be seen in things like atoms, and other things.

The Godhead is clearly seen in creation. It is significant then, that all creation actually consists of three parts, with each of its distinct components of time, space, and matter comprising and pervading the whole universe. Each of these components consists of three parts. Time consists of the past, present, and future. Space has the three dimensions of length, breadth, and width; and matter can exist in three forms; solid, liquid, and gas. The whole electromagnetic spectrum (gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet, visible light, infrared, microwaves, and radio waves) is comprised of three components; an electric field, a magnetic field, and motion. Clearly, God has left His signature on His creation.


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Cameron143 said:
There are alot of quarks on this site.
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Is this a "Deep Space Nine" reference?
DS9 and Alias used to be my favorite shows back in the day.

However, I have a different view on things today.
For it is written:

"...I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ," (Philippians 3:8).


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Bible_Highlighter said:
I respectfully disagree. Mankind being responsible for knowing about God's existence is demonstrated in showing that he is without excuse in the fact that even the invisible things in nature that declare God is triune (i.e., the Godhead) can be seen in things like atoms, and other things.

The Godhead is clearly seen in creation. It is significant then, that all creation actually consists of three parts, with each of its distinct components of time, space, and matter comprising and pervading the whole universe. Each of these components consists of three parts. Time consists of the past, present, and future. Space has the three dimensions of length, breadth, and width; and matter can exist in three forms; solid, liquid, and gas. The whole electromagnetic spectrum (gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet, visible light, infrared, microwaves, and radio waves) is comprised of three components; an electric field, a magnetic field, and motion. Clearly, God has left His signature on His creation.


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You do realize that the atomic level of the cell is a relatively new discovery? All the other science you mention is as well. Did men only become accountable to God recently? Doesn't it say from the creation of the world?
 
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Bible_Highlighter said:
Is this a "Deep Space Nine" reference?
DS9 and Alias used to be my favorite shows back in the day.

However, I have a different view on things today.
For it is written:

"...I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ," (Philippians 3:8).


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No. It's a pun. Not a lot of difference in the spelling of quarks and quacks.
 
Cameron143 said:
You do realize that the atomic level of the cell is a relatively new discovery? All the other science you mention is as well. Did men only become accountable to God recently? Doesn't it say from the creation of the world?
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When Romans 1:20 says, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, …”
Well, a person can read this verse one of two ways.

Interpretation #1. (Time Based Interpretation):​
In this interpretation, a person would interpret the words “from the creation of the world” as being based on time whereby the invisible things that are seen are from the beginning of time at the creation of the world in Genesis 1.​
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Interpretation #2. (Creation-Based Interpretation):​
In this interpretation, a person would interpret the word “from the creation of the world” as referring to invisible things from (out of) the creation of the world.​

Webster’s does define “from” as “out of” (Source).

Meaning, I could say, “For the invisible costume on him from (out of) the creation of technology used in world war 2 is clearly seen by those who have the right special goggles.”

So while the suit or costume is based on technology from World War 2, it does not mean that the costume came from that time exactly.

Anyway, to capture the idea of Romans 1:20:

Imagine walking through a grand cathedral or looking at a beautifully crafted painting. Even though you cannot see the artist or architect who created it, you can understand certain things about them by observing their work. The design of the cathedral might show their intelligence, attention to detail, and creativity. The painting might reveal their ability to capture beauty and express emotion.

Similarly, in the second interpretation of Romans 1:20, although we cannot physically see God, we can understand aspects of His nature—His power, creativity, and divine order—by observing the world He created. The intricate design of nature, from the stars in the sky to the complexity of living organisms, "testifies" to the invisible qualities of God. Just as the work of an artist reflects the artist's skill and vision, creation reflects the attributes of God, making them visible to us.

In this way, nature serves as a canvas that reveals the "invisible things" of God, much like art reveals the characteristics of the artist behind it.


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Cameron143 said:
No. It's a pun. Not a lot of difference in the spelling of quarks and quacks.
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While some folks can be challenging in the heat of the moment or they may need a cold splash of water with words to wake them up, I believe we should pray, love, and do good towards all people.


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Cameron143 said:
You do realize that the atomic level of the cell is a relatively new discovery? All the other science you mention is as well. Did men only become accountable to God recently? Doesn't it say from the creation of the world?
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Also consider that the Bible as a printed book being available for many people to own is a pretty recent thing in history (relatively speaking).

I believe the Old Testament speaks prophetically of the Bible‘s existence.
This video explains it in detail involving Scripture.



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Bible_Highlighter said:
When Romans 1:20 says, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, …”
Well, a person can read this verse one of two ways.

Interpretation #1. (Time Based Interpretation):​
In this interpretation, a person would interpret the words “from the creation of the world” as being based on time whereby the invisible things that are seen are from the beginning of time at the creation of the world in Genesis 1.​
​
Interpretation #2. (Creation-Based Interpretation):​
In this interpretation, a person would interpret the word “from the creation of the world” as referring to invisible things from (out of) the creation of the world.​

Webster’s does define “from” as “out of” (Source).

Meaning, I could say, “For the invisible costume on him from (out of) the creation of technology used in world war 2 is clearly seen by those who have the right special goggles.”

So while the suit or costume is based on technology from World War 2, it does not mean that the costume came from that time exactly.

Anyway, to capture the idea of Romans 1:20:

Imagine walking through a grand cathedral or looking at a beautifully crafted painting. Even though you cannot see the artist or architect who created it, you can understand certain things about them by observing their work. The design of the cathedral might show their intelligence, attention to detail, and creativity. The painting might reveal their ability to capture beauty and express emotion.

Similarly, in the second interpretation of Romans 1:20, although we cannot physically see God, we can understand aspects of His nature—His power, creativity, and divine order—by observing the world He created. The intricate design of nature, from the stars in the sky to the complexity of living organisms, "testifies" to the invisible qualities of God. Just as the work of an artist reflects the artist's skill and vision, creation reflects the attributes of God, making them visible to us.

In this way, nature serves as a canvas that reveals the "invisible things" of God, much like art reveals the characteristics of the artist behind it.


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However you choose to view it, the examples you gave weren't common knowledge until recently. So what are examples they would have known from the 1st century?
 
Cameron143 said:
However you choose to view it, the examples you gave weren't common knowledge until recently. So what are examples they would have known from the 1st century?
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My point on the creation-based interpretation shows that it may not be a time-based interpretation as you see it. This means, that this verse could be speaking prophetically ahead of our time today whereby we are aware of atoms and other invisible things, and yet, they are detectable by advanced technology for us to examine and compare them to the truth of the Trinity revealed in Scripture.


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Cameron143 said:
However you choose to view it, the examples you gave weren't common knowledge until recently. So what are examples they would have known from the 1st century?
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Daniel 12:4 (KJV)
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."


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Bible_Highlighter said:
My point on the creation-based interpretation shows that it may not be a time-based interpretation as you see it. This means, that this verse could be speaking prophetically ahead of our time today whereby we are aware of atoms and other invisible things, and yet, they are detectable by advanced technology for us to examine and compare them to the truth of the Trinity revealed in Scripture.


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Right, but it was written in the 1st century. What in creation that was known at that time would you point to?
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
Daniel 12:4 (KJV)
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."


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I believe the time of the end was referring to the end of the old covenant, so it's still 1st century.
 
Cameron143 said:
Right, but it was written in the 1st century. What in creation that was known at that time would you point to?
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The Scriptures were divinely inspired by God who knows the future. Who says that the New Testament Scriptures were only limited to that audience back then? Paul says they looked through a glass darkly. Daniel says knowledge shall increase.

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Cameron143 said:
I believe the time of the end was referring to the end of the old covenant, so it's still 1st century.
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To say that we are not living at the end now or the last days is to have blinders on.
Besides, knowledge is still increasing today.
The Lord our God is not the God of the dead (a God of the past) but of the living.
His Word is still living and active today with the King James Bible.

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Bible_Highlighter said:
The Scriptures were divinely inspired by God who knows the future. Who says that the New Testament Scriptures were only limited to that audience back then? Paul says they looked through a glass darkly. Daniel says knowledge shall increase.

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Come on. The text has to be first understood by the audience it was actually written to.
 
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