The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.
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To those who believe in God and His Son and do His Will, scripture should be clear;
John 16:13:
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
except perhaps some of the last days prophecies to be understood at the time set by the Lord;
Daniel 12:4:
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
John 16:13:
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
except perhaps some of the last days prophecies to be understood at the time set by the Lord;
Daniel 12:4:
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
The only thing Trump is going to seek to destroy is the Liberal woke agenda in this country and mass illegal immigration.
I mean, did you just arrive on planet Earth? I seem to remember a good economy, a more secure border, and no wars under Trump. I also remember there was no a huge influx of 11 million or more illegal immigrants coming into country over the border like with Harris / Biden. There were no towns being overtaken by forced migration that caused big problems for those towns (like daily car accidents, the eating of geese, threatening and bad attitudes) like in Springfield Ohio. Harris helped to destroy San Franciso. Walz helped to destroy Minnesota. If Harris/Waltz gets in, this country is toast. She wants to implement more of her communistic policies. If you ever watched the Left argue with Charlie Kirk before, some of these Leftist folk are so deceived that they argue how Socialism (Communism) is good for our country.
Anyway, I was able to buy a house at 3% (almost 2.5%) under the Trump administration. Groceries and gas were at normal prices (unlike today). Harris is not for America first. She is for the globalist agenda. She used to call Trump's wall a vanity wall, etc. but now the Harris campaign is changing her tune on the border to get elected. She also copied another of Trump's policies and said no tax on tips. But she did not say no tax on overtime, and no tax on social security (like Trump did). She is dumber than a box of rocks. She sounds like an airhead, and gives us no good policies but talks about her personal life as the solution to problems here in America. Not sure why on Earth you would vote for her. The Deep State controls her like the good puppet she is. She also has no clue how to deal with world powers, either. Yet, look at Trump gaining the respect from Volodymyr Zelenskyy (the president of Ukraine). He was only with Harris because she was giving out money to him. Trump does not want to just throw money at him, but to help bring peace between Russia and Ukraine.
The Left Media also lies. They lied about Joe Biden's decline. Harris also lied to our faces about that after his debate, too. Again, how can you be so deceived by this woman?
But now it all makes sense why you buy into the lies of Modern Scholarship.
All I can do is encourage you to seek out the truth and do your own homework and not just believe people blindly.
We do have this thing called the internet that you can research the other side on.
Anyway, whatever happens, God is in control.
May God bless you.
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I mean, did you just arrive on planet Earth? I seem to remember a good economy, a more secure border, and no wars under Trump. I also remember there was no a huge influx of 11 million or more illegal immigrants coming into country over the border like with Harris / Biden. There were no towns being overtaken by forced migration that caused big problems for those towns (like daily car accidents, the eating of geese, threatening and bad attitudes) like in Springfield Ohio. Harris helped to destroy San Franciso. Walz helped to destroy Minnesota. If Harris/Waltz gets in, this country is toast. She wants to implement more of her communistic policies. If you ever watched the Left argue with Charlie Kirk before, some of these Leftist folk are so deceived that they argue how Socialism (Communism) is good for our country.
Anyway, I was able to buy a house at 3% (almost 2.5%) under the Trump administration. Groceries and gas were at normal prices (unlike today). Harris is not for America first. She is for the globalist agenda. She used to call Trump's wall a vanity wall, etc. but now the Harris campaign is changing her tune on the border to get elected. She also copied another of Trump's policies and said no tax on tips. But she did not say no tax on overtime, and no tax on social security (like Trump did). She is dumber than a box of rocks. She sounds like an airhead, and gives us no good policies but talks about her personal life as the solution to problems here in America. Not sure why on Earth you would vote for her. The Deep State controls her like the good puppet she is. She also has no clue how to deal with world powers, either. Yet, look at Trump gaining the respect from Volodymyr Zelenskyy (the president of Ukraine). He was only with Harris because she was giving out money to him. Trump does not want to just throw money at him, but to help bring peace between Russia and Ukraine.
The Left Media also lies. They lied about Joe Biden's decline. Harris also lied to our faces about that after his debate, too. Again, how can you be so deceived by this woman?
But now it all makes sense why you buy into the lies of Modern Scholarship.
All I can do is encourage you to seek out the truth and do your own homework and not just believe people blindly.
We do have this thing called the internet that you can research the other side on.
Anyway, whatever happens, God is in control.
May God bless you.
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The truth is that He (his soul) was begotten. Not created.
Begotten by the Father before any creating took place.
We can know that because everything ever created was created through Him! Colossians 1:16
He could have created Himself!
The Greek tense as found in Philippians 3:6, makes that self explanatory...
Yet, reading typical English translations wouldn't make you the wiser
grace and peace ...........
Begotten by the Father before any creating took place.
We can know that because everything ever created was created through Him! Colossians 1:16
He could have created Himself!
The Greek tense as found in Philippians 3:6, makes that self explanatory...
Yet, reading typical English translations wouldn't make you the wiser
Philippians 3:6-7
6~~Who {Christ}, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equalities {plural} with God
a gain to be seized {means to violently take} and held.
7~~But He Himself {Christ}
deprived Himself of the proper function of deity
when He had received the 'inner essence'/form of a servant/slave
although He had been born in the outward likeness/image of mankind.
6~~Who {Christ}, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equalities {plural} with God
a gain to be seized {means to violently take} and held.
7~~But He Himself {Christ}
deprived Himself of the proper function of deity
when He had received the 'inner essence'/form of a servant/slave
although He had been born in the outward likeness/image of mankind.
grace and peace ...........
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I am referring to recorded Bible history going back to the 1500s. The church did not use the Alexandrian texts for hundreds of years and they primarily used the Byzantine texts. My point was more in recent history over the past centuries. The church did not mix and match the Alexandrian with the Byzantine. That was my point. I was not saying that the KJV translators did not use other sources besides the Byzantine text-type tradition. The Alexandrian manuscripts were not used by the church for hundreds of years because they knew they were trash or corrupted. It wasn’t until 1881 were men compromised.
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I would completely agree with that. In fact, a believer can even be a heretic and be KJV-only.
For example, while most KJV-only Christians are Trinitarian, some KJV-only believers deny the Trinity (Which I believe is heresy).
I also believe certain popular KJV-only believers are not true Christians, either. Jesus says you will know them by their fruit.
Believing the KJV is the perfect Word of God is a spiritual revelation from the Lord, but that does not mean a believer cannot be deceived by sin or false doctrines.
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For example, while most KJV-only Christians are Trinitarian, some KJV-only believers deny the Trinity (Which I believe is heresy).
I also believe certain popular KJV-only believers are not true Christians, either. Jesus says you will know them by their fruit.
Believing the KJV is the perfect Word of God is a spiritual revelation from the Lord, but that does not mean a believer cannot be deceived by sin or false doctrines.
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The truth is that He (his physical body) was begotten. Soul and Spirit already existed. Never created. Always existent. Begotten by the Father through the Holy Spirit - thus, Jesus - God in the flesh - was born into the human race - this is exactly-and-precisely what 'begotten' means with regard to the first advent/coming of Christ Jesus - Holy Spirit conception in Mary - born in Bethlehem - begotten by the Father.
If you will read the OP of this thread, perhaps it will help...
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...of-god-word-father-son-and-the-trinity.72792/
If you will read the OP of this thread, perhaps it will help...
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...of-god-word-father-son-and-the-trinity.72792/
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Christians today have different interpretations or understandings of what a soul is.
While I have my own understanding of what a soul is according to the Bible, this is a rabbit trail I am not sure I want to go down at this time by trying to unpack your understanding of what a soul is.
You're muddying the waters of meaning here. I am going to make this really simple for you. Matthew 1:2 says,, "Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;"
Obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that begat is a morphological variation of begotten.
It also does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that when the Scriptures say Abraham begat Isaac, it is a reference to Abraham giving seed to Sarah whereby this seed impregnated her and she gave birth to a child (Isaac).
The Eternal Logos (the Living Word or second person of the Trinity) was made flesh. The Logos was made flesh by a seed that impregnated Mary who was a virgin and she gave birth to that seed. This is how the Word was made flesh or how the Father can call Jesus His only begotten Son. So when NASB or AMP says Jesus is the only begotten God, it is falsely teaching He was created as a God via by the process of some seed whereby birth happened as a result of that seed.
I will give you two examples of begotten gods in Greek mythology.
Hercules - Son of Zeus and the mortal woman Alcmene.
Perseus - Son of Zeus and Danaë.
Both Perseus and Heracles (Hercules) were born as a result of Zeus mating with mortal women in Greek mythology. Perseus and Heracles (Hercules) would truly be begotten gods (although they are fictional). This is not the case for Jesus Christ (who is real) because He was already eternally the Living Word or second person of the Holy Trinity. The body of Jesus was begotten or brought forth into this world. The essence of the Living Word who is eternally God was not begotten or came into being at any point in time. So now do you see the error of John 1:18 when it refers to how Jesus is the begotten God? If you let cognitive dissonance set in and you bury your head in the sand about what I am talking about here, I will then move into phase 2 whereby I will show you screen captures of dictionary definitions. If you do not get it then, I may have to move into phase 3 whereby I will use hand puppets and coloring books.
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While I have my own understanding of what a soul is according to the Bible, this is a rabbit trail I am not sure I want to go down at this time by trying to unpack your understanding of what a soul is.
You're muddying the waters of meaning here. I am going to make this really simple for you. Matthew 1:2 says,, "Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;"
Obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that begat is a morphological variation of begotten.
It also does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that when the Scriptures say Abraham begat Isaac, it is a reference to Abraham giving seed to Sarah whereby this seed impregnated her and she gave birth to a child (Isaac).
The Eternal Logos (the Living Word or second person of the Trinity) was made flesh. The Logos was made flesh by a seed that impregnated Mary who was a virgin and she gave birth to that seed. This is how the Word was made flesh or how the Father can call Jesus His only begotten Son. So when NASB or AMP says Jesus is the only begotten God, it is falsely teaching He was created as a God via by the process of some seed whereby birth happened as a result of that seed.
I will give you two examples of begotten gods in Greek mythology.
Hercules - Son of Zeus and the mortal woman Alcmene.
Perseus - Son of Zeus and Danaë.
Both Perseus and Heracles (Hercules) were born as a result of Zeus mating with mortal women in Greek mythology. Perseus and Heracles (Hercules) would truly be begotten gods (although they are fictional). This is not the case for Jesus Christ (who is real) because He was already eternally the Living Word or second person of the Holy Trinity. The body of Jesus was begotten or brought forth into this world. The essence of the Living Word who is eternally God was not begotten or came into being at any point in time. So now do you see the error of John 1:18 when it refers to how Jesus is the begotten God? If you let cognitive dissonance set in and you bury your head in the sand about what I am talking about here, I will then move into phase 2 whereby I will show you screen captures of dictionary definitions. If you do not get it then, I may have to move into phase 3 whereby I will use hand puppets and coloring books.
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You made a good point before. You said, I quote:
Two good points here from what you said:
On point #1, we obviously do the will of the Father and the Son but by obeying the words in the Holy Bible. But imagine if that Holy Bible does not give you those instructions correctly on how to believe properly or obey Him properly in every instance? This is where Modern Bibles can be a problem. I have run into Christians who believe wrong things about Jesus because of their defense of Modern Bibles.
On point #2, Scripture should be clear in that there is only one settled text, or one Word of God and not many. But many today have a pile of Modern Bibles that all say different things between each other in certain places. This only sows confusion and does not offer clarity of what God is saying at certain points.
And before you bring up the original languages, we are talking about two different MAJOR streams of Greek texts here when it comes to the New Testament. There is the Textus Receptus and there is the Vaticanus & Sinaiticus. Both of these streams or lines of Greek texts do not convey the same information. So beliefs about God and the biblical instructions are going to be different between these two streams of Bibles.
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"To those who believe in God and His Son and do His Will, scripture should be clear;"
~ Quote by Vassal.
Two good points here from what you said:
#1. We are to do the will of God the Father and the Son.
#2. Scripture should be clear.
On point #1, we obviously do the will of the Father and the Son but by obeying the words in the Holy Bible. But imagine if that Holy Bible does not give you those instructions correctly on how to believe properly or obey Him properly in every instance? This is where Modern Bibles can be a problem. I have run into Christians who believe wrong things about Jesus because of their defense of Modern Bibles.
On point #2, Scripture should be clear in that there is only one settled text, or one Word of God and not many. But many today have a pile of Modern Bibles that all say different things between each other in certain places. This only sows confusion and does not offer clarity of what God is saying at certain points.
And before you bring up the original languages, we are talking about two different MAJOR streams of Greek texts here when it comes to the New Testament. There is the Textus Receptus and there is the Vaticanus & Sinaiticus. Both of these streams or lines of Greek texts do not convey the same information. So beliefs about God and the biblical instructions are going to be different between these two streams of Bibles.
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His physical body is not what was begotten as far as being God's Son..
The body was provided for Him so He could live sinlessly as the second Adam.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me." Heb 10:5
If He were his physical body? He could never have declared the following.
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
John 8:58
Jesus was not his body. That body was only a means for himself to live in our world.
And? The real you is not your body in God's eyes!
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me
and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:20
The body was provided for Him so He could live sinlessly as the second Adam.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me." Heb 10:5
If He were his physical body? He could never have declared the following.
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
John 8:58
Jesus was not his body. That body was only a means for himself to live in our world.
And? The real you is not your body in God's eyes!
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me
and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:20