That's how their inverted system works.... It's equivalent to those calling evil good, and good evil.
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That's how their inverted system works.... It's equivalent to those calling evil good, and good evil.
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Many will say in that day..... (not a few)
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
Most likely grew up in a church to learn what was to be expected of them.
Though they assumed the position of being Christian, they were not Christians.
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me,
you workers of lawlessness!’
Never knew them? = never saved.
Had a counterfeit born again experience. Demon activity. Like a psychic...
And, they were totally convinced (deceived) that they were doing great things for the Lord!
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
That is why believers are to have the Word of God to protect us from such deceptions!In Christ ............ !
You know who is saved and who is not, hmm. So, according to the Word of God, a person in error is not saved and cannot be corrected?
And you know who is and who is not gotcha.
It's a good thing Jesus is saying, "I never knew you." Because you don't know who is and who is not, you are an arrogant, Prideful person.
What you don't know because you are clearly not a minister( one who serves) is that people make mistakes, can be in error, and still be saved unless you think you have never made an error. Correction is what Paul was writing in 1corthians chapters 10 - 14.
I do not see anywhere in the text Paul saying you are not saved who speak in tongues.
it must be in the hidden text right next to the Gifts are not for today you have that no one can find in the word of God.
Many of us ministers today who are used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit have corrected your foolishness in the video you shared. The problem is that you only show the error and never the correction. That is because you are a hateful person.
You don't think God can heal today? Does the devil heal or God? Can the devil do what God can according to God's Attributes?
Do you think, or should I say, know if I am saved? I would really like to hear what you think.
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
"No, he was describing unbelievers who think they are believers because they manage to "pull off" supernatural feats but are deceived."
You, too, think they are non-believers. If not, you sure made it seem like you agreed with his opinion.
It's a good thing Jesus is saying, "I never knew you." Because you don't know who is and who is not, you are an arrogant, Prideful person.
What you don't know because you are clearly not a minister( one who serves) is that people make mistakes, can be in error, and still be saved unless you think you have never made an error. Correction is what Paul was writing in 1corthians chapters 10 - 14.
I do not see anywhere in the text Paul saying you are not saved who speak in tongues.
it must be in the hidden text right next to the Gifts are not for today you have that no one can find in the word of God.
Many of us ministers today who are used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit have corrected your foolishness in the video you shared. The problem is that you only show the error and never the correction. That is because you are a hateful person.
You don't think God can heal today? Does the devil heal or God? Can the devil do what God can according to God's Attributes?
Do you think, or should I say, know if I am saved? I would really like to hear what you think.
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
Yes I think they are unbelievers because the Lord Himself said He never knew them!
Why are you having such a hard time admitting you misunderstood what @Genez was talking about?
The discussion was centered around these verses.
Matt.7:22&23
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’
answer my qestion. And God useless the foolish things to confound the wise.
You don't think God can heal today? Does the devil heal or God? Can the devil do what God can according to God's Attributes?
Do you think, or should I say, know if I am saved? I would really like to hear what you think.
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
Not the wise Christian....though.
Paul was talking against those who are deemed wise in the world.
"Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise." Ephesians 5:15
See how knowing context makes all the difference?
We are to become wise in Christ!
Wise Christians will not be confounded by the foolishness that stubborn Christians bathe themselves in.
It's just like needing to know context required to understand why God gave the gift of tongues...
Sorry...
You are stuck where you are, because you remain feeling free to remain oblivious to understanding why something was written.
I do pray God will bless you with good pastor teachers along the way. Ones that will be straight with you.
grace and peace ............
answer my questions don't afraid
Do you think, or should I say, know if I am saved? I would really like to hear what you think.
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
You say to know the context of God's word, yet you say that the gifts of the Holy Spirit stopped in 70 AD, which you can't prove with the word of God. Context comes from the TEXT, and you have none.
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
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Don't you realize that believers can lose out on doing God's will for their lives, even though they are saved.
You got saved once you believed in Jesus Christ.
The prophet Balaam was hired to curse Israel, yet he was saved!
You seem to believe that if one is saved that he can not do evil.
The Bible shows examples of that not being the case!
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Don't be weak and a coward. I asked very clearly, and you are dishonest in Balaam is not contextual to a Christian. You had no issue with saying those in a Video were non-believers. Why are you afraid now?
I said below:
I speak in tongues, and I have seen God heal through prayer, I have prayed.
Am I saved?
I believe Jesus is Lord, died, was buried, and rose from the Dead. I was Baptized In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
By what I have said to you, am I saved Yes or no?
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Many historical documents of the early church like this below will not be heard even if they are from the Historical narrative of the church. The false narrative stated that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit stopped in 70 AD. We have asked for proof but were told we are not smart enough to understand.
What do we have from Eyewitness counts after 70 AD :
JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 100 to c. 165):
Daily some are becoming disciples in the name of Christ, and quitting the path of error; who are also receiving gifts, each as he is worthy, illumined through the name of this Christ. For one receives the spirit of understanding, another of counsel, another of strength, another of healing, another of foreknowledge, another of teaching, and another of the fear of God. [. . .]
It was prophesied that, after the ascent of Christ to heaven, He would deliver us from error and give us gifts.
The words are these: ‘He ascended up on high; He led captivity captive; He gave gifts to men.’ Accordingly, we have received gifts from Christ, who has ascended up on high.
For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even to the present time.
And hence you ought to understand that [the gifts] formerly among your nation have been transferred to us. And just as there were false prophets contemporaneous with your holy prophets, so are there now many false teachers amongst us, of whom our Lord forewarned us to beware; so that in no respect are we deficient, since we know that He foreknew all that would happen to us after His resurrection from the dead and ascension to heaven. Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 82 (ANF, 1.240).
IRENAEUS (c. 130 to c. 202):
For the Lord, through means of suffering, “ascending into the lofty place, led captivity captive, gave gifts to men,” and conferred on those that believe in Him the power “to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and on all the power of the enemy,” that is, of the leader of apostasy. (Against Heresies, 2:20:3 (ANF, 1.388).
For some do certainly and truly drive out devils, so that those who have thus been cleansed from evil spirits frequently both believe [in Christ], and join themselves to the Church.
Others have foreknowledge of things to come: they see visions, and utter prophetic expressions.
Others still, heal the sick by laying their hands upon them, and they are made whole.
Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years. And what shall I more say? It is not possible to name the number of the gifts which the Church, [scattered] throughout the whole world,
has received from God, in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and which she exerts day by day for the benefit of the Gentiles, neither practising deception upon any, nor taking any reward from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. For as she has received freely from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. (Against Heresies, 2:32:4 (ANF, 1.409)
Read and weep. To those who have no documents that state the Gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped in 70 AD.
YET here are just two Eyewitnesses that directly refute your claims.
The word of God doesn't say that, and the Historical narrative of the Church doesn't support that.
Some here Made false claims. Unless you call IRENAEUS (c. 130 to c. 202): Testimony is untrue. And many others
Unlike them, I have provided Biblical support for my understanding and historical church written of eyewitnesses.
You got what?
What do we have from Eyewitness counts after 70 AD :
JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 100 to c. 165):
Daily some are becoming disciples in the name of Christ, and quitting the path of error; who are also receiving gifts, each as he is worthy, illumined through the name of this Christ. For one receives the spirit of understanding, another of counsel, another of strength, another of healing, another of foreknowledge, another of teaching, and another of the fear of God. [. . .]
It was prophesied that, after the ascent of Christ to heaven, He would deliver us from error and give us gifts.
The words are these: ‘He ascended up on high; He led captivity captive; He gave gifts to men.’ Accordingly, we have received gifts from Christ, who has ascended up on high.
For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even to the present time.
And hence you ought to understand that [the gifts] formerly among your nation have been transferred to us. And just as there were false prophets contemporaneous with your holy prophets, so are there now many false teachers amongst us, of whom our Lord forewarned us to beware; so that in no respect are we deficient, since we know that He foreknew all that would happen to us after His resurrection from the dead and ascension to heaven. Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 82 (ANF, 1.240).
IRENAEUS (c. 130 to c. 202):
For the Lord, through means of suffering, “ascending into the lofty place, led captivity captive, gave gifts to men,” and conferred on those that believe in Him the power “to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and on all the power of the enemy,” that is, of the leader of apostasy. (Against Heresies, 2:20:3 (ANF, 1.388).
For some do certainly and truly drive out devils, so that those who have thus been cleansed from evil spirits frequently both believe [in Christ], and join themselves to the Church.
Others have foreknowledge of things to come: they see visions, and utter prophetic expressions.
Others still, heal the sick by laying their hands upon them, and they are made whole.
Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years. And what shall I more say? It is not possible to name the number of the gifts which the Church, [scattered] throughout the whole world,
has received from God, in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and which she exerts day by day for the benefit of the Gentiles, neither practising deception upon any, nor taking any reward from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. For as she has received freely from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. (Against Heresies, 2:32:4 (ANF, 1.409)
Read and weep. To those who have no documents that state the Gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped in 70 AD.
YET here are just two Eyewitnesses that directly refute your claims.
The word of God doesn't say that, and the Historical narrative of the Church doesn't support that.
Some here Made false claims. Unless you call IRENAEUS (c. 130 to c. 202): Testimony is untrue. And many others
Unlike them, I have provided Biblical support for my understanding and historical church written of eyewitnesses.
You got what?
We all get saved the same way. OT? They believed in the pre-incarnate Lord God!
Balaam is an example and is in our Bible for good reason!
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly
equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture can be called upon for reproof and correction!!!!
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