Tonight's Presidential Debate

[SonJudgment]

What is that sin unto death? In my Bible Jesus says there is only one unforgivable sin.

There's several sins unto death. Literally any of the sins where God says to put them to death, that's a sin unto death. We're not even to pray for those that commit the sins unto death according to the apostles.

 

[Magenta]

There's several sins unto death. Literally any of the sins where God says to put them to death, that's a sin unto death. We're not even to pray for those that commit the sins unto death according to the apostles.

God does not tell us to put people to death. Gosh. You need to get under the New Covenant.

The “sin unto death” is willful, continuous, unrepentant sin for the believer.

 

[Cameron143]

Believe it or not, it's not actually that hard to not commit a sin worthy of death nor is it hard to not defend it. For most of history most of humanity were able to do it until one generation from the 1960s thought they knew better than God.

Looking upon a woman with lust is adultery. This is often hard for Christians.

 

[SonJudgment]

God does not tell us to put people to death. Gosh. You need to get under the New Covenant.

The “sin unto death” is willful, continuous, unrepentant sin for the believer.

No, you're not correct in either line. Mindful this quote about the sins unto death is from the New Testament at that. The sins unto death are merely delineated and explained further in the Old Testament. It's not like there's new rules just because there's the New Testament, in fact it's actually more severe in the New Testament.

 

[SonJudgment]

Looking upon a woman with lust is adultery. This is often hard for Christians.

It's in their hearts sure, but there is also a big difference between actually committing adultery and thinking about it. You're not guilty for your thoughts, cause you could just put those evil imaginations to death then in your heart and they will never go further, you're guilty for your actions.

 

[Cameron143]

There's several sins unto death. Literally any of the sins where God says to put them to death, that's a sin unto death. We're not even to pray for those that commit the sins unto death according to the apostles.

Wasn't Moses a murderer? Wasn't Saul a mass murderer? Wasn't David an adulterer and a murderer? And such were some of you?
But God, Who is rich in grace...

 

[Cameron143]

It's in their hearts sure, but there is also a big difference between actually committing adultery and thinking about it. You're not guilty for your thoughts, cause you could just put those evil imaginations to death then in your heart and they will never go further, you're guilty for your actions.

Jesus said you are guilty.

 

[Cameron143]

All of us stand guilty and are worthy of death.

 

[SonJudgment]

Wasn't Moses a murderer? Wasn't Saul a mass murderer? Wasn't David an adulterer and a murderer? And such were some of you?
But God, Who is rich in grace...

No Moses was not a murderer. If you mean Saul the king of Israel, no he was not a murderer either, his sin was disobeying God by unjustly refusing to put the Amalekites to death. David was an adulterer yes and he got sore cursed for that, so cursed that his children killed eachother and tried to usurp him. As for "of such were some of you", well if they were doesn't that imply that they no longer are? You can repent of course, but repent means you're not going to be running around justifying it, you're not going to be running around doing it, you're not going to be running around defending all the people that do and trying to make excuses for them, you're going to come on out of them and be set apart.

 

[ZNP]

No Moses was not a murderer. If you mean Saul the king of Israel, no he was not a murderer either, his sin was disobeying God by unjustly refusing to put the Amalekites to death. David was an adulterer yes and he got sore cursed for that, so cursed that his children killed eachother and tried to usurp him. As for "of such were some of you", well if they were doesn't that imply that they no longer are? You can repent of course, but repent means you're not going to be running around justifying it, you're not going to be running around doing it, you're not going to be running around defending all the people that do and trying to make excuses for them, you're going to come on out of them and be set apart.

Moses wasn't a murderer? What is that your revised version of the Bible?

 

[Cameron143]

I was referring to Saul who became Paul. And Moses did murder an Egyptian. And David did have Uriah killed.

All 3 people I mentioned committed sins worthy of death, and yet found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Perhaps you should read Matthew 9:10-13. God prefers mercy.

 

[SonJudgment]

Moses wasn't a murderer? What is that your revised version of the Bible?

I'd be more shocked if there is a revised version of the Bible that tries to make Moses into a murderer.

I was referring to Saul who became Paul. And Moses did murder an Egyptian. And David did have Uriah killed.

All 3 people I mentioned committed sins worthy of death, and yet found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Perhaps you should read Matthew 9:10-13. God prefers mercy.

Oh if you mean Paul, then it's possible he was a murderer, it just says he persecuted the Christians, not neccessarily that he murdered them, though I suppose you could in fairness consider him complicit in the murder of saint Stephen.

Moses isn't a murderer, the Egyptian deserved to die because he was an idolator of a foreign race that was beating Moses' people. Murder is killing someone that is innocent.

As for David he was still pretty cursed for his sins worthy of death, don't make any mistake about that. It's not like God just winked at him for it and gave him a pass, David still had to pay the consequences and David at least knew he was wrong and did not defend that which he did. It's not like David tried to browbeat Nathan or cancel culture him for telling the truth about why he just earned a big curse.

There's a fine line between mercy and defending the wicked. Whoever wants mercy go on ahead and forsake the wicked, forsake defending them, forsake their entire army and kingdom, and come and obtain mercy.

 

[Cameron143]

I'd be more shocked if there is a revised version of the Bible that tries to make Moses into a murderer.




Oh if you mean Paul, then it's possible he was a murderer, it just says he persecuted the Christians, not neccessarily that he murdered them, though I suppose you could in fairness consider him complicit in the murder of saint Stephen.

Moses isn't a murderer, the Egyptian deserved to die because he was an idolator of a foreign race that was beating Moses' people. Murder is killing someone that is innocent.

As for David he was still pretty cursed for his sins worthy of death, don't make any mistake about that. It's not like God just winked at him for it and gave him a pass, David still had to pay the consequences and David at least knew he was wrong and did not defend that which he did.

There's a fine line between mercy and defending the wicked. Whoever wants mercy go on ahead and forsake the wicked, forsake defending them, forsake their entire army and kingdom, and come and obtain mercy.

You are very gracious to murderers, but not so much with adulterers.

 

[SonJudgment]

You are very gracious to murderers, but not so much with adulterers.

Not really. Perhaps you don't know the difference between murder and justice. Again murder is putting the innocent to death. If someone deserves to die on the other hand and they get killed that's not murder, that's justice.

 

[Magenta]

No, you're not correct in either line. Mindful this quote about the sins unto death is from the New Testament at that. The sins unto death are merely delineated and explained further in the Old Testament. It's not like there's new rules just because there's the New Testament, in fact it's actually more severe in the New Testament.

Really? Then how is it you are alive? Surely you sinned before being saved.

Yes, the NT talks about sins unto death regarding believers, not unbelievers.

To listen to you one would think we are to go around killing people.

That is definitely NOT taught in the NT.

You seem to have zero concept of grace.

 

[PennEd]

Looks like Democrats are still trying to murder President Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-safe-after-gunshots-his-vicinity-campaign-says

 

[SonJudgment]

Really? Then how is it you are alive? Surely you sinned before being saved.

Yes, the NT talks about sins unto death regarding believers, not unbelievers.

To listen to you one would think we are to go around killing people.

That is definitely NOT taught in the NT.

You seem to have zero concept of grace.

I'm just replying to you frankly, you can assume whatever you want. Again, it's actually not that hard to not commit a sin worthy of death, the sins worthy of death are few and very extreme sins, I would not be surprised if many of the members of the forum have never committed a sin unto death. Again there's not a set of rules for believers and a set of rules for unbelievers. This is why if they forsake grace instead of forsake the wicked, well, it's far more severe for them in the NT than it is in the OT. The great thing is that it really justifies the belief in the Bible more because the NT indicates that people will become like this, incredibly wicked, the sins they do will be the very worst and at the heart of it is the sexual sins, they will become defenders of the darkness, and so they will incur the end of the world and all the wrath of Jesus in his true and glorious Judgment.

 

[ZNP]

I'd be more shocked if there is a revised version of the Bible that tries to make Moses into a murderer.




Oh if you mean Paul, then it's possible he was a murderer, it just says he persecuted the Christians, not neccessarily that he murdered them, though I suppose you could in fairness consider him complicit in the murder of saint Stephen.

Moses isn't a murderer, the Egyptian deserved to die because he was an idolator of a foreign race that was beating Moses' people. Murder is killing someone that is innocent.

As for David he was still pretty cursed for his sins worthy of death, don't make any mistake about that. It's not like God just winked at him for it and gave him a pass, David still had to pay the consequences and David at least knew he was wrong and did not defend that which he did. It's not like David tried to browbeat Nathan or cancel culture him for telling the truth about why he just earned a big curse.

There's a fine line between mercy and defending the wicked. Whoever wants mercy go on ahead and forsake the wicked, forsake defending them, forsake their entire army and kingdom, and come and obtain mercy.

And that is why Moses fled? OK, thanks for sharing.

 

[Cameron143]

Not really. Perhaps you don't know the difference between murder and justice. Again murder is putting the innocent to death. If someone deserves to die on the other hand and they get killed that's not murder, that's justice.

Everyone deserves to die. There is no sin that isn't unto death unless you get saved. So every person comes into the world condemned and under the wrath of God. It is only His grace and mercy that refrains our being consumed.

 

[Tamarisk]

If you came here illegally you broke the law, you go back to where you came from, period. If you come here legally and break the law you go back to where you came from, you cannot enter the country for 10yrs. Obama deported so many people he called himself deporter in chief.

They still have constitutional rights under the fifth amendment. If you deport them without a fair hearing you're violating the Constitution and have made yourself an into a domestic enemy of the Constitution of the United States of america.

You and others might not like the Constitution however your distaste for it does not give you the right to violate it.