Tonight's Presidential Debate

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Nehemiah6 said:
"...other IMMIGRANTS that make up our country..." Seriously? Earlier immigrants came in LEGALLY, but there Haitians came in ILLEGALLY. So why are you lying right off the bat? Comparing lawful citizens with foreign illegal invaders?

As to the focus on Haitians there are a number of reasons:

(1) their numbers in Springfield are almost equal to the previous population of lawful citizens (whether immigrants or not). That has overwhelmed the systems. And who is paying for their free ride?;

(2) there is now overwhelming evidence, even from police (and contrary to the Lying Leftist media) that they have been illegally catching cats, dogs, pigs, ducks, and geese and eating them with impunity (knowing that they will not be deported or prosecuted);

3) other Haitians and Jamaicans have confirmed that that these Haitians not only consider cat meat a delicacy, but use it for voodoo rituals. These people are also cannibals, and pretty soon they could start killing people and eating them;

(4) they have been unlawfully issued with driver's licenses when they cannot even read the road and street signs. As a result they have caused car crashes and property damage. They killed an 11 year old boy and caused the injury of many kids because of reckless driving. They have also been molesting people;

(5) Landlords in Springfield are illegally evicting law-abiding tenants and replacing them with Haitians (no doubt getting paid off huge sums for this criminality)

Are all these reasons good enough for you?
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Took me a whole 2 seconds to Google it. The Haitian immigrants are here legally under what is called the immigration parole act
 
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Dude653 said:
Took me a whole 2 seconds to Google it. The Haitian immigrants are here legally under what is called the immigration parole act
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howso? S.505 (2023) never made it further than being read in the Judiciary Committee. is there another i don't know about?
 
Tamarisk said:
Lol I can't even take you seriously. Even if it did happen cultures clashing like that is normal. This type of culture clash has been happening since America was formed. It's nothing new or shocking. We didn't deport the Irish, Italians, russian and we even have a German immigrant running for president.

So what's the real identifying Factor here with Haitian immigrants versus all of the other immigrants that make up our country?
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The story @JayBird is selling is that migrants "flocked" to Springfield for "Amazon jobs".
So then why do they need massive $$$ GOVERNMENT FUNDING $$$ that nobody can afford to begin with?

Furthermore, I would assume that local officials LIED about the gravity of the crisis (see police report noted) in order to OBTAIN this $$$ FUNDING $$$ for the usual political bribes kickbacks and payoffs.

My conclusion remains: the primary factors regarding the "migrant crisis actor pawns" are $$$ NGO's ripping off taxpayers $$$ ,money laundering, election fraud, and Democrat political insiders (connected with criminal cartels) pulling all the strings.

Tell us @JayBird : who is $$$ funding $$$ migrants as they work their way thru 2,500 miles of hellscape from South America? Who is feeding and providing food and clothing and cellphones? How are little kids making thru the Darrien gap? And who is getting a cut of the action? The fact is: this criminal human and child trafficking for big dollars, enabled and assisted by CRIMINAL CARTELS who are getting paid by the US taxpayers.

Oh and another thing: you and @JayBird have totally denied the reality of Tren de Aragua gang, their existence, the threat they pose, the criminal activities that firsthand witnesses have testified to.

(1) Rodrigo Cárdenas on X: "El Tren de Aragua en EE.UU.: Founded in a Venezuelan prison, the Tren de Aragua gang has grown into a fearsome transnational criminal force in less than a decade and is extending its deadly reach north https://t.co/6McqzrsOVI via @WSJ" / X
 
cv5 said:
The story @JayBird is selling is that migrants "flocked" to Springfield for "Amazon jobs".
So then why do they need massive $$$ GOVERNMENT FUNDING $$$ that nobody can afford to begin with?

Furthermore, I would assume that local officials LIED about the gravity of the crisis (see police report noted) in order to OBTAIN this $$$ FUNDING $$$ for the usual political bribes kickbacks and payoffs.

My conclusion remains: the primary factors regarding the "migrant crisis actor pawns" are $$$ NGO's ripping off taxpayers $$$ ,money laundering, election fraud, and Democrat political insiders (connected with criminal cartels) pulling all the strings.

Tell us @JayBird : who is $$$ funding $$$ migrants as they work their way thru 2,500 miles of hellscape from South America? Who is feeding and providing food and clothing and cellphones? How are little kids making thru the Darrien gap? And who is getting a cut of the action? The fact is: this criminal human and child trafficking for big dollars, enabled and assisted by CRIMINAL CARTELS who are getting paid by the US taxpayers.

Oh and another thing: you and @JayBird have totally denied the reality of Tren de Aragua gang, their existence, the threat they pose, the criminal activities that firsthand witnesses have testified to.

(1) Rodrigo Cárdenas on X: "El Tren de Aragua en EE.UU.: Founded in a Venezuelan prison, the Tren de Aragua gang has grown into a fearsome transnational criminal force in less than a decade and is extending its deadly reach north https://t.co/6McqzrsOVI via @WSJ" / X
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I always assume it will take ten years before you have most of the facts. Just think about 911, that is a good example of the gaslighting that took place in the immediate aftermath. They flood the airwaves with gaslighting until no one wants to ever talk about it again. Then as the facts come out they feel like they want to change the subject. Also when the facts do begin to come out they then flood the airwaves with absurd conspiracy theories to confuse people so they throw up their hands and say "no one knows what happened".

Therefore it is not good to judge before the time. Instead the one person they cannot confuse or gaslight is Jesus Christ, so all judgment is given to Him. Instead what is truly effective and something you will not have to repent of later is preaching the gospel of forgiveness. Imagine how many people know something but they are too ashamed to come forward. Knowing that the Lord's blood will cleanse them and that it is not too late to be forgiven gives them an open door to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance. That is why the Bible says "with God there is forgiveness that He might be feared". Everyone involved in these crimes is terrified of getting caught and therefore they are also terrified of those who know of their crimes. Often it is the criminals who wind up killing each other.
 
Tamarisk said:
Lol I can't even take you seriously. Even if it did happen cultures clashing like that is normal. This type of culture clash has been happening since America was formed. It's nothing new or shocking. We didn't deport the Irish, Italians, russian and we even have a German immigrant running for president.
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Your attempt at historical reference is an abject failure.
This is not 1910 when the nation was vastly underpopulated and NEEDED MIGRANTS to build up the nation.
Furthermore, back then, immigration was not a massive criminal escapade funded by taxpayers.

American is dead broke buddy. The strain is immense and something is going to break.

Get a grip on reality. And this would be it. Your nation is scraping the bottom of the barrel economically, financially, morally. The scamming and plundering of the useful idiot taxpayers is just about over. Rots of ruck and enjoy the great depression and hyperinflation.

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ZNP said:
I always assume it will take ten years before you have most of the facts. Just think about 911, that is a good example of the gaslighting that took place in the immediate aftermath. They flood the airwaves with gaslighting until no one wants to ever talk about it again. Then as the facts come out they feel like they want to change the subject. Also when the facts do begin to come out they then flood the airwaves with absurd conspiracy theories to confuse people so they throw up their hands and say "no one knows what happened".

Therefore it is not good to judge before the time. Instead the one person they cannot confuse or gaslight is Jesus Christ, so all judgment is given to Him. Instead what is truly effective and something you will not have to repent of later is preaching the gospel of forgiveness. Imagine how many people know something but they are too ashamed to come forward. Knowing that the Lord's blood will cleanse them and that it is not too late to be forgiven gives them an open door to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance. That is why the Bible says "with God there is forgiveness that He might be feared". Everyone involved in these crimes is terrified of getting caught and therefore they are also terrified of those who know of their crimes. Often it is the criminals who wind up killing each other.
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Buddy....its all about the human and child trafficking directly connected to criminal cartels, 10% for the Big Guy political mafia, money laundering, hapless migrant pawns caught up in all of it, useful idiots promoting it, and election fraud.

POWER AND MONEY.
 
How is it gaslighting to call out an unfounded rumor about people eating dogs and cats?
I feel like this was done deliberately by Vance and Trump to encourage violence against the Haitian immigrants
Reminds me of the blood libel against the Jews
 
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daisyseesthesun said:
I thnk all of us can agree that there is a border crises but does it need to be Soley focused on the Haitians?
and it not like we don't already have voodoo in America ie new Orleans and Ohio has always been a hub for devil worshiping.
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Some here have said the border has been closed.
 
cv5 said:
Your attempt at historical reference is an abject failure.
This is not 1910 when the nation was vastly underpopulated and NEEDED MIGRANTS to build up the nation.
Furthermore, back then, immigration was not a massive criminal escapade funded by taxpayers.

American is dead broke buddy. The strain is immense and something is going to break.

Get a grip on reality. And this would be it. Your nation is scraping the bottom of the barrel economically, financially, morally. The scamming and plundering of the useful idiot taxpayers is just about over. Rots of ruck and enjoy the great depression and hyperinflation.

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But all we have to do to get out of debt is for each taxpayer to pay $269k, or for a married couple to pay a little over $500k
 
cv5 said:
Buddy....its all about the human and child trafficking directly connected to criminal cartels, 10% for the Big Guy political mafia, money laundering, hapless migrant pawns caught up in all of it, useful idiots promoting it, and election fraud.

POWER AND MONEY.
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Who better to be the judge of that than the Lord Jesus.
 
Dude653 said:
How is it gaslighting to call out an unfounded rumor about people eating dogs and cats?
I feel like this was done deliberately by Vance and Trump to encourage violence against the Haitian immigrants
Reminds me of the blood libel against the Jews
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Oh please, seems like everything these days reminds people of "blood libel."

So tiring.
 
Dude653 said:
I feel like this was done deliberately by Vance and Trump to encourage violence against the Haitian immigrants.
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I tend to agree. But it really started with X and spread from there; some of Trumps looney disciples. But I agree, Trump want to stir the pot against immigrants.
 
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Tamarisk said:
Lol I can't even take you seriously. Even if it did happen cultures clashing like that is normal. This type of culture clash has been happening since America was formed. It's nothing new or shocking. We didn't deport the Irish, Italians, russian and we even have a German immigrant running for president.

So what's the real identifying Factor here with Haitian immigrants versus all of the other immigrants that make up our country?
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Well it bears repeating even though @Nehemiah6 stated it clearly.

They came through ports of entry ...LEGALLY and the immigration policy was heavily managed at that time to ease people into existing society.
 
cv5 said:
This person is not connected to the Springfield debacle.
But the $$$ criminal human trafficking cartels $$$ definitely are.
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This person proves that the claim is not "unfounded". It proves that all those trying to say the claim is ridiculous are simply gaslighting us. I am more than happy to wait for a few months for the evidence of the claim to be brought out which I suspect will involve 400,000 arrests.
 
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