What did St Paul think of women?

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Pilgrimshope

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It is possible that Paul was married at one time and widowed, though this is not explicitly stated in Scripture.
He does seem to suggest he isn’t married at this time

“For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Pilgrimshope

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I believe that you have to be careful and use discernment when reading the writings of Paul. There are many instances where it is implied that his speaking is based on his own personal perceptions.

Of course, even his perceptions may be aligned with the will of God, but then again, they might be slightly misaligned or, based on context, may be directed to a particular group, and perhaps based also on the couture and traditions in effect at that time.

Then again, if his writing states that this is this is from the Lord then you can rest assured that what he said is still in effect in this current time period
amen discernment is important

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord) A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord) If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:10-12‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Many times paul makes a point of whether this is the lord command or his advice also he makes points to dofferent groups witching the church in this case he speaks first to the married and then to the unmarried once soeaking by the lord and once by himself

Paul’s writings are amazing and revelatory but also they are easily misunderstood and distorted to make points that are false seems reasonable
Whether intentiknal or unintentional

Paul’s former life as a Pharisee also is a factor , the apostles weren’t beyond prejudice peters actions towards gentile believers shows us this which led to he and Paul’s argument

awe sometimes have the idea that the apostles were perfect and always in agreement bekng controlled by a gods spirit always ect but this isn’t the case . Of course they all received the spirit but also they were all still learning things as Jesus told them they would be taught by the spirit and led into all truth

there are many exemples of the apostles speaking from thier own thoughts and many where they are speaking from Gods spirit and word discernment is essential in Paul’s writings carefully they need to be read because they really can lead a mind astray like we are warned

“Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:15-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬


i think of we look at Jesus and his dealings with women we find a picture much clearer that actually fits Paul’s later doctrine regarding women Mary was actually the first person chosen as a witness to the others of Jesus resurrection , women were the ones who financially supported Jesus ministry at the cross were mostly Jesus female disciples while the men hid other than John several female prophets are mentioned in the nt as well as Pricilla a member of a husband wife ministry team

I think scripture shows us Paul’s growth and overcoming some former prejudices against women when we get to his doctrine regarding male and female disciples who were baptized

“for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬


seems as though there are a lot of female hiers in Christ but only the firstborn son is hier……good thing he shares his inheritance regardless of flesh I’d

If jew and gentile no longer matters why would make and female
 

hornetguy

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Lydia, the dealer in purple, was said to have fallen in love with Paul.
She Put a piece of purple in his sarcophagus.
Where did you hear/read about this? I have never heard it...
 

Magenta

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He does seem to suggest he isn’t married at this time

“For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner,
and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
That is why I said, "married at one time and widowed." And while addressing those who
were formerly married but lost a spouse to death, he recommended them to abide as he did.
 

Pilgrimshope

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That is why I said, "married at one time and widowed." And while addressing those who
were formerly married but lost a spouse to death, he recommended them to abide as he did.
Agreed . It’s interesting looking back at Jesus teachings which Paul’s came from
 

Bruce_Leiter

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The 1950s housewives were not all happy. It is minimizing someone's experience when a group is painted with the same brush. See the movie Revolutionary Road; unhappy depressed housewife with a husband who has a fling with a office worker. In fact, I had that a husband having a relationship with the office secretary was kind of a thing. Betty Friedan's 1963 book, The Feminine Mystic is actually a survey of unhappy housewives not really unhappy single women. Even the parent figures in Leave it to Beavers were married multiple times. All woman are different; some may want to be constantly pregnant others not so much. I would say the happiness levels among women in the olden times and now are about the same. People in good marriages are happy. Desperate singles will be unhappy.
Fellow Christian, what do your comments have to do with Paul's opinion about women, which is this post's subject?
 

Bruce_Leiter

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In the old testament women are mentioned as leaders. And some in new testament.

Today women have the fastest growing IQ compared to men. Imo Because the suppression of women over the centuries which is a type of intellectual chains.
Again, what does your comment have to do with Paul's opinion of women?
 

Bruce_Leiter

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I've come to the conclusion that Adam didn't love his wife and, in Adam's defense, Eve didn't respect him. And this is what Paul is addressing four thousand years later. To save us all this controversy, when presented with the fruit, Eve should've said, "let my husband eat first, and only then will I eat it also." But neither of them had the spirit of Christ, nor were they able to receive him, att. They had to be cleansed from their nature, which was 'very good' but was not 'whole,' as there is no one that can be without Christ. The tree only disclosed what was(n't) within them all along.
On what biblical basis can you possibly make this conclusion, fellow Christian?
 

Bruce_Leiter

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It’s a principle of the old covenant in the resurrection none will marry or be given in marriage
I think Paul matured in Christ in his writings… eventually, he said…

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal.3.26,Gal.3.27,Gal.3.28,Gal.3.29&version=KJV
However, the whole context in Galatians is talking about our relationship with Christ, not with each other at all.
 

Magenta

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On what biblical basis can you possibly make this conclusion, fellow Christian?
They were of the natural world. That would be in regard to "neither of them had the spirit of Christ."
 

Bruce_Leiter

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If she is a Christian, Christ is her Head. therefore she must cover her head during worhsip.
One very good method of interpretation, especially of Paul, is to find the principle in a passage, in this case, verse 3 of 1 Corinthians 3, and to recognize his cultural application of that principle to his culture, wearing head-coverings. Take the principle, don't throw it out, and apply it to our culture, for example, male servant-leadership in marriage and the church.
 

Magenta

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Modern world feminist movement has just brainwashed everyone away from traditional values.
Everyone? I doubt it. There are still those who wish to marry, have children, and live according
to traditional roles and values. Raising children is perhaps best left to them, rather than trying
to force/shame/cajole others into leading lives they do not really want for themselves.
 

proverbs35

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The service of a leader is too hard for a woman.
HOW is the service of a leader too hard for women?

What do you mean?

Biblically speaking, what does the service of a leader entail?
 

proverbs35

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The hierarchy is in the church.
Unmarried women are under the headship of her father until married.
Many unmarried women did not grow up with fathers in the home. They were raised by a single mother. Their father may be deceased.

Therefore, countless unmarried women cannot be under the headship of a father that was or isn’t around.
 

Cameron143

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Many unmarried women did not grow up with fathers in the home. They were raised by a single mother. Their father may be deceased.

Therefore, countless unmarried women cannot be under the headship of a father that was or isn’t around.
Then it wouldn't apply to them, unless a father-figure is in the picture.
The point is, everyone is under authority. God has made known what His hierarchical order is.
 

JohnDB

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Where did you hear/read about this? I have never heard it...
There was an article about discovering Paul's ossuary/sarcophagus in the catacombs under the vatican they believe belonged to Paul. Inside it was a piece of purple cloth.
 

homwardbound

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1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.


It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
instructions by quoting another of Paul's instructions. To wit:


"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)


(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"


NOTE: Beware becoming militant about this because it's neither a gender
issue, an intelligence issue, a competency issue, a strength issue, or a
maturity issue. This particular arrangement is based primarily upon origin
and seniority. (Gen 2:21-22, Gen 3:16, & 1Tim 2:13)
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we are made one with Father and Son equally reconciled< thank you
 

Mem

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On what biblical basis can you possibly make this conclusion, fellow Christian?
It is a conclusion drawn from the basic deduction that, although Adam was made in the image of God, he was not God, and of course, neither was Eve.