Loss of salvation???
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that's like saying He never stopped being God He just wasn't God anymore.
does.
not.
compute.
when it doesn't make sense it means we have an opportunity to learn something.
we need to recognize that we have been taught garbage for a couple hundred years because the church considers us to be idiots who do not ask basic questions and examine whether the dumbed-down, low view of Christ makes any sense at all. pastors are actively discouraged from teaching deep theology. it drives people away, which lowers revenue.
https://danmusicktheology.com/kenosis/early_fathers.shtml
what you guys are arguing about a powerless, pitiful Jesus is modern, not historical Christianity, and i don't think you even know that. it's just what you've been taught by the modern, exploitative, Laodecian church.
please take the time to explore the information in the link.
goodnight.
we need to recognize that we have been taught garbage for a couple hundred years because the church considers us to be idiots who do not ask basic questions and examine whether the dumbed-down, low view of Christ makes any sense at all. pastors are actively discouraged from teaching deep theology. it drives people away, which lowers revenue.
https://danmusicktheology.com/kenosis/early_fathers.shtml
what you guys are arguing about a powerless, pitiful Jesus is modern, not historical Christianity, and i don't think you even know that. it's just what you've been taught by the modern, exploitative, Laodecian church.
please take the time to explore the information in the link.
goodnight.
I know the process. You are not listening. On one hand you declare Peter saying He knows all, while on the other you declare that Jesus is allowed to lie because of a human process.
Either, Jesus in His humanity knew the day but lied about it or He didn't know the day because His omniscient Deity kept back the information revealing how He can separate the function of His Deity (in this case omniscience) from the function of His humanity.
What makes you think you have all the understanding?
As far as I am concerned you are showing little understanding of what is actually being said but rather making assumptions about what we mean.
I'm not going to continue arguing with someone who can't even get what I'm saying in the first place.
please peruse the information in the link in previous post.
you have presented no viable argument whatsoever against the perpetual deity of Christ: there is none.
again, goodnight.
no point in continuing a discussion while you remain ignorant of the facts.
i will check back in a couple of days.
I have never said Jesus stopped being God. Your inability to comprehend how He can be God who is all knowing and yet lack knowledge is what you fail to explain.
I'm not ignorant of the facts, I'm simply not buying your interpretation. I find it illogical.
Have a nice day.
You can’t miss what Hebrews says. It’s not an “interpretation” to QUOTE scripture. It speaks for itself.
—-Hebrews 2-“Listen to the things we have learned, lest we DRIFT AWAY.
—-Hebrews-4-“…be diligent to enter that rest (heaven). LEST ANYONE FALL…”. “Some “DID NOT ENTER BECAUSE OF DISOBEDIENCE.” V. 6
——Hebrews 10- “…do not CAST AWAY your confidence…you need endurance so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise. …the just shall live by faith, but if anyone DRAWS BACK, my soul has no pleasure in him.”
—-Hebrews 12- …lest anyone FALL SHORT OF THE GRACE OF GOD.”
This is NOT an interpretation—this is what God says! I don’t have to say a word!
You need to LISTEN TO WHAT GOD IS SAYING TO YOU!! And stop listening to men. Jesus Christ is the one who died for you—not John Calvin. Show your love and appreciation to Him by believing His words.
Nope.
Strong's 3985 - to test or prove. same word in Matthew, Mark, Luke and Hebrews.
'the one testing' not 'the tempter'
you do not need to contradict James or to blaspheme.
you only need to study, and to believe God.
what you are presenting is contrary to orthodoxy.
or does it really appear who is the one who does not believe actually in the hypostatic union, hmm?
You do not know what you are talking about.
On ignore for you.
You are now a skeleton in the closet where you belong.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:5 KJV
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”
Colossians 1:15-20
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
John 20:28-29 KJV
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”
Isaiah 43:10 KJV
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
Adam followed, therefore was deceived also, Was he not? I tis what happened, not to be blamed on the woman as man has done now for centuries, unfortunately
Not until he ate did he see he was deceived, otherwise he would not have eaten from it too. He then doubted, when Eve did not die, and ate himself, then saw him as dead. He ate in "unbelief to God" too. However, how anyone wants or desires to see her is: each has there free choice to choose, I say this, watch out for straining out gnats and swallowing a camel
He was there with her when he saw her eat in Genesis look it up. He saw her eat, do you think he said to her oh woman what have you done? that could be a good conjecture as mine is a descent one, I will not make it Doctrine, Just awareness as to what might have happened only having the cliff notes of what happened when she ate from the tree before Adam ate also. Ate in Unbelief to God's word, dearth to all flesh has been that ever since, has it not?
God by Son has returned us to either Believe God in Son or not, whom removed the curse of sin from us, (that began at the first Adam,) who loves us all as God does, revealed in Son as risen from the death he went inn to to save the Patriarchs, that were held in Spirit prison then.
God is/has been good from day one. Remains the only one good to this day forever and always, that is where I want to be, is one with God as Son Won for us to be one with them. That is my choice and I am not righteous ever, God is and God shares this amazing gift with everyone that will willingly believe God. God knowing who is and who is not as well as who might be, that are not yet there too. Not that I got it, I am in process like everyone else too, thank you
Not sure we disagree, yet it seems we are doing that. I know Jesus and Father are One (Won) for us to be in and freed from creating problems
God sees to show us to love one another without creating problems over it
Jesus is my Lord unto His lord, Father
I do not disagree with your view, or anyone els's either, I am not God to say to anyone you are to be this and or that and you better see as I see, no thank you
Love to you friend in the risen Son Jesus for us to see new in God's spirit and Truth of Love and Mercy given us by Son's one time willing physical death for su to be made new in. the resurrection of his being resurrected, that won for us
A new Law and Priesthood
Hebrews 7:11-14
Living Bible
11 (e) If the Jewish priests and their laws had been able to save us, why then did God need to send Christ as a priest with the rank of Melchizedek, instead of sending someone with the rank of Aaron—the same rank all other priests had?
12-14 And when God sends a new kind of priest, his law must be changed to permit it. As we all know, Christ did not belong to the priest-tribe of Levi, but came from the tribe of Judah, which had not been chosen for priesthood; Moses had never given them that work.
God sees to show us to love one another without creating problems over it
Jesus is my Lord unto His lord, Father
I do not disagree with your view, or anyone els's either, I am not God to say to anyone you are to be this and or that and you better see as I see, no thank you
Love to you friend in the risen Son Jesus for us to see new in God's spirit and Truth of Love and Mercy given us by Son's one time willing physical death for su to be made new in. the resurrection of his being resurrected, that won for us
A new Law and Priesthood
Hebrews 7:11-14
Living Bible
11 (e) If the Jewish priests and their laws had been able to save us, why then did God need to send Christ as a priest with the rank of Melchizedek, instead of sending someone with the rank of Aaron—the same rank all other priests had?
12-14 And when God sends a new kind of priest, his law must be changed to permit it. As we all know, Christ did not belong to the priest-tribe of Levi, but came from the tribe of Judah, which had not been chosen for priesthood; Moses had never given them that work.
To be clear here, are you saying I am not listening to God? Okay if you are, glad you are not the most High God and neither am I
God loves us all, and that scripture speaks to us from God. for us to let go of our ego's, at least to me this I know see, standing in this amazing grace given not only me, yet this is for everyone, God is good all the time as good is God all the time, we do agree on that do we not? if not each has free choice and I thank you for your candor and see, hopefully
No one has to live like a refugee, we all desire to be free, and God does that for us all through Son for us to be new in the risen Life of Love and mercy given us to all through Son Jesus, not a few, at least for me, I see this love and mercy, thanking God, hoping you do too as well as all others too, thank you
Here is another who wants to make it look like I am saying something I'm not. Jesus is God, always has been God, always will be God.
Your incapacity or unwillingness to understand one can continue to be something yet not function in that capacity is what hinders your comprehension of what I have said.
We only have one nature and therefore can only ever function in that one nature ie. being human. We only need look around at the insanity when people try to be animals. People cannot function in any capacity other than being human. But Jesus has two natures, Deity and humanity and is perfectly capable of functioning solely from His human nature while keeping His Divine nature hidden and not using His own powers of Deity but rather relying on God the Father and God the Spirit to do the work. This is what He did during the Incarnation.
The closest analogy I can think of is how I am a wife and mother. I don't function as a mother to my husband nor do I function as a wife to my children but at all times I remain as a wife and mother.
No I haven’t accused you of saying anything it’s just a discussion in a forum not a personal attack if someone disagrees
were all believers here …..you too I haven’t even read much of what you believe was just sharing some points in scripture you may not have heard
Woe, I see we all are going to get along in God’s love and mercy, allowing each person to share what each sees, in the present understanding we are in. Thanks
Hebrews 5:12 through Chapter 6 is so wide, high and deep, trusting God to permit us each to start growing up, grown up, and not act like it, remaining humble as we each get along understanding we each need God to lead, at last this I need
thanks as we each see new in this love and mercy given us from God though Son’s done work first
Hebrews 5:12 through Chapter 6 is so wide, high and deep, trusting God to permit us each to start growing up, grown up, and not act like it, remaining humble as we each get along understanding we each need God to lead, at last this I need
thanks as we each see new in this love and mercy given us from God though Son’s done work first
The Son was always a union of Deity and Soul! He was before all things.
Many are confused to think God did not have a soul in Jesus until the Incarnation.
Not so! The OT has Scripture revealing the union of Soul and Deity long before the Incarnation.
Here are a few samples of OT Scripture revealing the eternal dual natures of the Lord God of Israel! Deity and Soul!
And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah,
so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16
Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
and anyone loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5
“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons,
the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred
meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble
to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14
'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new.
Moreover, I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not
reject you. I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall
be My people." Lev 26:10-12
Doesn't shout out at you, does it? It requires hours of study and the Holy Spirit working
in you to see what had been written all along!
That soul of Jehovah we see in the OT, is the very soul that entered the perfect body that
God provided by means of the ovum (seed) of Mary! (Genesis 3:15)
There is hope when there are minds that do not close tightly...
grace and peace!
You shared scripture all pertaining to Christ's Deity without comment. What am I meant to think after someone else accused me of denying Christ's Deity?
Don't make assumptions people will understand your meaning if you don't explain yourself.