Jehovah’s Witnesses

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Well, obviously you would see all three as I do, if you were not denying that Jesus is the Son of God and the Second Person of the Godhead.

Your logic, dear sir, is heavily flawed. When three persons are present, the one counting, being one of the three, does not exclude himself when asked to report who all is present but includes himself in the count. So why would Jesus, in this account, not be included?

"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Additionally, what mere human, has ever had this occur after being baptized. NO ONE! Thus, this proves that Jesus Christ was no mere human being. Also, what human being has ever had this said about him?​
Mat 3:14 But John would have hindered him, saying, I have need to be baptized of you, and you come to me?
"And Jesus, when he was baptized,
 
You really need to get up to speed on this buddy.
The triunity of God is just .....everywhere. Its indisputable.
And just because we cannot fully comprehend Their fullness hardly makes it less true.
The triune God is infinite BTW. And we, as finite creatures, will NEVER fully comprehend Them.

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Isa 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Mat 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Look up the verses and seee the truth of the Trinity in the Bible
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf
 
I believe in the Bible as the inspired Word of God, but nowhere is the idea of a triune God taught, only manmade interpretations.
One on the most important passages in all the Bible.....

Gen 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Affirming how Adam is a type of Christ.
 
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Revelation is progressive and doctrine develops.

Yes, it certainly is up until the last book. The names given for God were progressive as was doctrine. I just wanted to point out that the essential truth of Who God is, was mentioned early, even in the OT. One of the other members was mistaken implying that it was a teaching invented by "the church."
 
Doctrine develops, yes ... however, once we have proven it to be Truth ... it stays Truth.
Interesting Truth stands alone. It doesn't have to be proven. Truth is only suppressed by those who are wicked.
 
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One on the most important passages in all the Bible.....

Gen 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Affirming how Adam is a type of Christ.


"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come." - Romans 5:14

"And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." - 1 Corinthians 15:45
 
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A couple times a month, JW’s come to visit the industrial estate where I work. They’re always welcoming and we always have a healthy debate, but everytime I ask the question why they don’t believe Jesus is God they stop talking and direct me to their website.
I can’t understand how someone who reads the same scriptures that we do, does not believe that Jesus is Lord? Or are they reading different scripture? As they’re trying to convert me, I offer counterpoints to make them think about what they believe. I’m not bashing JW’s. I just can’t fathom how you can read the same book, but come to a different conclusion of who/what God is. Thoughts?

People believe what they want to believe some times honoring their Church, being biased, how they want to hear it, and having a belief not part of the Bible and they incorporate it in to the Bible.

The denominations put out their beliefs like a blueprint for the people so a lot of people do not see the red flags and will go along with them.

Which this is the case with JW's they go by the blueprint and honor their Church as truth.

So they do not question their beliefs.

It is strange how people can read the same Bible but different beliefs.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Not everybody takes the time to learn on their own and some people read but the blueprint is truth not to be questioned and there is an interpretation to cover it.

If a person is not influenced by other people and reads the Bible to find out for themselves it would be better.

Which we need not that any person teach us but the Spirit will teach us.

And God said check everything out yourself.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

The preachers and teachers do not get more wisdom than any other saint.

People rely on teachers too much when they should be learning on their own.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:

for my Father is greater than I.

The reason people can have a wrong interpretation is because they misinterpret a scripture which affects other scriptures and they interpret scriptures to fit that interpretation.

Jesus told a man why call me good for only God is good.

And Jesus said the Father is greater than me.

So they think Jesus cannot be God and stick to that interpretation.

But Jesus was speaking from the viewpoint of being a man.

Which Jesus could speak from the viewpoint of God or man because He is both.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any person that teaches godliness is gain withdraw yourself from them.

For the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which Jesus told the rich man to sell all that he has and give to the poor and then he can enter in to life.

Which charity is greater than faith and faith works by love.

But the TV evangelists say hearken unto us all ye people for we are knowledgeable in the word of God.

Saying God is blessing them with money but do not see in the Bible it talks against it.

Some people do not see the truth of the Bible because they have a belief that is not part of the Bible and it becomes their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan and occult ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible and it became the foundation of interpreting scriptures the Mormon Church.

The same with Christian Science and Scientology which they may be precursors to the new age.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age christianity that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age said there is an outer circle and inner circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and theosophy so he is part of the inner circle of Freemasonry.

And Alice Bailey admitted that the new age has an inner circle for it is the true church.

And it is known her husband is in the inner circle of Freemasonry.

All these secret societies are part of the inner circle.

With the Thule society in Germany.

And Skull and Bones society in America.

Bohemian Club is an elite invitation-only social club founded in San Francisco in 1872 by a group of male artists, writers, actors, lawyers, and journalists, all of whom were wealthy, had some measure of fame, and were interested in arts and culture.

Since its founding the club has expanded to include politicians and businessmen.

The club is known especially for its annual summer retreat at what is known as Bohemian Grove in the redwood forest of California's Sonoma county, an event cloaked in secrecy and controversy.

In the grove there is a statue of an owl.

In occultism and esoteric traditions, the owl symbolizes deep wisdom, the ability to see what is hidden, clairvoyance, and a connection to the afterlife or subconscious.

Regarded as a guide through the underworld and a guardian of secret knowledge, the owl represents transformation and the mysteries of the night.

On the front of the dollar in the top right corner there is an owl.

Some people think it is a spider but it is an owl.

I believe the top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

Since the Bohemian Club started in 1872 and later on included politicians and businessmen you can see how America can take a turn.

League of Nations had been working from 1920 to 1946 and United Nations from 1945 until present to work for peace on earth.

It could be they want a one world government now but want to make it look like things are happening by coincidence.

Setting up conflicts to cause the people to want to come together as one to work for peace.

America and Russia could of been working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to work for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war among other conflicts a set up to get the people of the world to be on board for a one world government.
 
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