Loss of salvation???
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If Adam knew what death was he would not be concerned about finding some fig leaves.
Would you?
Adam experienced a whole new set of emotions after sin than before, but your example suggests he did know it didn't mean he fell over dead. Making clothes suggests he wasn't expecting to die physically.
You keep citing obvious superficialities.... and keep deflecting away from what was said as you do.
Its a learned skill.
You keep saying false things. Adam clearly wasn't expecting death meant he would fall over dead, otherwise, why make clothes? Did he tell God that he made them to be buried in?
Yes but you need information to do that. You cannot think of something out from nothing.
Yes but you made it up from something you know. Nothing anyone has ever imagined has come out from nothing. Every work of fiction, every sci-fi story is based on realities.
If you are an example of a mature adult then I would be better off at the kids table. As my discussion with you has taken points off my IQ, I'll bid you a good evening.
Grace and peace.
You do realize if I'm a little boy being a well known member and you are a junior member, that makes you a wee little lad, right?
You've heard of faithing, which is the antithesis of fearing. Although we fall short of it, we are to fear only God, who has power to destroy both body and soul. So, if we fear anything then we cannot qualify as being fearless and so are not completely faithful as God commands us to fear nothing but Him. But there is no one that has been able to measure up to standard, except One.
If my hunch is valid, then Adam feared something even if it was only a little bit. What?
There are some that speculate that he, Adam, couldn't stand to think of being without Eve. So, even then, there is a fear of losing her or something. And if so then he at least mistrusted God to keep her alive...
I suppose this is too novel an idea to discuss in brevity without thinking out all the avenues it might lead into. Maybe there is a good book in the works. But if I did set out to put my thoughts in print, I'm sure there will certainly be criticism, but I really don't fear that as much as I fear that I will be wasting my time if there is nobody that would be interested in exploring the possibility. I'm only certain that there will be those that take offense because I dared to think something that they never told me to think. That's exactly how Eve was tripped up. The serpent didn't want her thinking that she couldn't eat from the tree, Adam didn't want her to think that she could even touch the tree, but do we really know what God wanted her to think?
I can only suppose that God wanted her to think the same thing He told Adam, "you shall not eat." But God was addressing Adam when he used the pronoun "you," second person masculine singular, so, can you see what question I'm trying to tune in on?
“Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.”
Genesis 2:25 NIV
……“Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.”
Genesis 3:8 NIV
Why did they suddenly become afraid of Gods presence and withdraw and hide from his when they heard his voice they were already naked before ???
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25 KJV
Why would mankind think that hearing Gods word is certain death ?
transgression of his commandment
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
The truth is here in the gospel
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Not here in the law
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
The tree was in the midst of the garden, along with the tree of life. So, I have to assume that there is good reason, I'm not questioning that. What I do question is the common understanding that it was placed specifically for the testing of the Adams. God created the world "and it was good," so then wasn't the totkogae good? The is scripture of God telling Adam, before He formed Eve, "you," second person singular masculine, and there is no scriptural account of God saying "ye", second person neutral plural, so it just makes me wonder at the hypothetical consequence if Eve ate and gave it to her husband, and he did not eat, would have life in the garden then continued without much consequence? Was it meant for anyone but Adam, since he walked with the Lord and had One greater than the tree?
Sure, this might be an example of an exercise in futility that @Cameron previously mentioned but... just some things that nag at me at times.
At any rate, the ultimate result in the drama is that everyone now has access to One greater than the tree.
Sure, this might be an example of an exercise in futility that @Cameron previously mentioned but... just some things that nag at me at times.
At any rate, the ultimate result in the drama is that everyone now has access to One greater than the tree.
And this deals with the question of Adam's understanding how exactly? You never did answer .. "what would God have used from His perfect creation to help Adam comprehend death?"
I think it possible the Lord intended to use the tree to teach Adam good from evil but in His way and time. Just an opinion though based on the fact that God wastes nothing.
Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.