Loss of salvation???

[Genez]

I dont have a problem with it. I just dont know why you think it is so important or that it somehow changes how we should read it. Jesus also spoke to Samaritans and Romans. Paul wrote letters to Gentiles in Corinth. The Gospel of John was written to Christians. It doesnt mean it doesnt have application or the same meaning to Jews. It seems to me the lessons in these letters often have far-reaching application even if they were addressed to a particular group in a particular era. At least that is why I think these letters were preserved in the canon.

I dont think any of us here are under the impression that any of the OT or NT are letters written directly to 21st century Christians. But, as I have mentioned, when considering the historical context, it is important to not only consider who Jesus was speaking to, but also to whom Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were writing to. They chose those stories and ordered them for a reason and a particular audience.

In any event, I’ve never had an issue with the idea that Jesus was a Jew and was often speaking to Jews living under the Law. The implication you gave was that most Christians and Gentiles just dont get it. You indicated that the texts were either not properly understood by Christians or that Jesus’ words were not applicable to them in ways most Christians think they are.

So, I am just asking if you can provide texts that are misunderstood or wrongly applied by Christians because Jesus’ audience was Jewish and not Gentile. Maybe I am just a little calloused by previous interactions with Messianic Jews and so I am a bit skeptical when these topics come up. From my experience, those who want to highlight lineage and genealogy when it comes to interpreting the Bible usually have the perspective that their Jewishness puts them in a special category in which Scriptures apply differently to them because of God’s special relationship with them in contrast to Gentiles or ordinary Christians. So, I apologize if this was not your intent, but it seemed very odd to me when you started claiming that much of Jesus’ teachings didn’t apply to Christians but only to Jews.

So? Your spiritual function when properly manifested is just like believers had in the times of David had?
They had the same spiritual potentials as in your New Creation function?
No difference?
Some Christians walk as if there were no difference.


Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you,
searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances
to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the
Messiah and the glories that would follow. " 1 Peter 1:10-11


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[Genez]

So, I am just asking if you can provide texts that are misunderstood or wrongly applied by Christians because Jesus’ audience was Jewish and not Gentile..

"Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."

That is strictly Millennial. Not for the church age. It was a message to Jews who believed in the Kingdom on Earth with the Messiah reigning over them.

We do not look for that Kingdom as to have the Messiah reigning over us on a perfect earth as the Jews did.
We should be looking forward for reigning with the Messiah over them with our home in Heaven!

That means we have been given much. Therefore, much more will be required of us - for our preparation and growth.

in Christ ......

 

[Chaps]

So? Your spiritual function when properly manifested is just like believers had in the times of David had?
They had the same spiritual potentials as in your New Creation function?
No difference?
Some Christians walk as if there were no difference.


Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you,
searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances
to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the
Messiah and the glories that would follow. " 1 Peter 1:10-11


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No Christian I know of imagines that their situation before God is the same as those prior to Christ. However, all of those texts are very relevant to us. First, many of these stories are cited as examples for Christians to learn from. Both the author of Hebrews (Hebrews 3-4) and Paul (speaking to Christians in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 10) reflect back on the Israelites wandering in the wilderness as examples to how believers should live (or not live) today. Paul writes to the church in Rome and cites passages referring to Isaac and Ishmael, Pharoah, and the prophets regarding God’s plan for saving believers in Romans 9-11. Both Jesus and Peter (2 Peter 3) use the flood as an illustration of what the Lord’s Second Coming will be like for the unbelieving/unexpectant. In fact, Peter goes so far as to say, regarding the Old Testament Scriptures in 1 Peter 1:10-12…

Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

So, according to Peter, the prophets of old longed to see God’s salvation and how it would come about. The things they wrote dont have their ultimate purpose in their own writings or times, but for Christians today. As Peter says, “they were not serving themselves but YOU, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven…” The things the prophets didn’t fully see about God’s plan of redemption were ultimately about validating and confirming God’s ultimate plan in Christ that we can now see clearly when they only saw partially.

I can appreciate the fact that, when Jesus preached his sermon on the mount, that he was speaking to Jews who were living under Law. He corrects the Pharisees poor application of the Law by showing what true righteousness looks like. While I am not a Pharisee or a 1st century Jew, that doesnt mean that the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount such as, “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” or “anyone who lusts in his heart has already committed adultery“ or that those who pray to be heard and applauded by men have already received their reward and we should “pray in secret” should not be applied to my life as a Christian. I dont have to be a Pharisee or a 1st century Jew to understand the heart of God’s Law and what God desires in these instructions. So while the early Jews and Pharisees may have heard and understood these concepts somewhat differently from someone who lives post-resurrection, it doesnt make the message less true. If anything, I would say the Christian has a FULLER picture of what Christ was saying in comparison to those who didn’t fully grasp that he was the incarnate God who would die for the sins of the world and be raised.

 

[Genez]

No Christian I know of imagines that their situation before God is the same as those prior to Christ. However, all of those texts are very relevant to us. First, many of these stories are cited as examples for Christians to learn from. Both the author of Hebrews (Hebrews 3-4) and Paul (speaking to Christians in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 10) reflect back on the Israelites wandering in the wilderness as examples to how believers should live (or not live) today. Paul writes to the church in Rome and cites passages referring to Isaac and Ishmael, Pharoah, and the prophets regarding God’s plan for saving believers in Romans 9-11. Both Jesus and Peter (2 Peter 3) use the flood as an illustration of what the Lord’s Second Coming will be like for the unbelieving/unexpectant. In fact, Peter goes so far as to say, regarding the Old Testament Scriptures in 1 Peter 1:10-12…



So, according to Peter, the prophets of old longed to see God’s salvation and how it would come about. The things they wrote dont have their ultimate purpose in their own writings or times, but for Christians today. As Peter says, “they were not serving themselves but YOU, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven…” The things the prophets didn’t fully see about God’s plan of redemption were ultimately about validating and confirming God’s ultimate plan in Christ that we can now see clearly when they only saw partially.

I can appreciate the fact that, when Jesus preached his sermon on the mount, that he was speaking to Jews who were living under Law. He corrects the Pharisees poor application of the Law by showing what true righteousness looks like. While I am not a Pharisee or a 1st century Jew, that doesnt mean that the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount such as, “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” or “anyone who lusts in his heart has already committed adultery“ or that those who pray to be heard and applauded by men have already received their reward and we should “pray in secret” should not be applied to my life as a Christian. I dont have to be a Pharisee or a 1st century Jew to understand the heart of God’s Law and what God desires in these instructions. So while the early Jews and Pharisees may have heard and understood these concepts somewhat differently from someone who lives post-resurrection, it doesnt make the message less true. If anything, I would say the Christian has a FULLER picture of what Christ was saying in comparison to those who didn’t fully grasp that he was the incarnate God who would die for the sins of the world and be raised.

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[Genez]

Can a once truly saved believer backslide too much and lose the gift of salvation? If so do they need to repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ again? Thoughts are welcome and scripture too!

If they could lose it?
Then there never was salvation.

If we could lose our salvation?

It would be like God is now renting us with an option to buy.

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which ​

the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds ​

of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." Acts 20:28​

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Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, ​

who is in you, whom you have received from God? ​

You are not your own; you were bought at a price. ​

Therefore honor God with your bodies." 1 Cor 6:19-20​

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[Pilgrimshope]

If they could lose it?
Then there never was salvation.

If we could lose our salvation?

It would be like God is now renting us with an option to buy.

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which ​

the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds ​

of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." Acts 20:28​

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Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, ​

who is in you, whom you have received from God? ​

You are not your own; you were bought at a price. ​

Therefore honor God with your bodies." 1 Cor 6:19-20​

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amen

“If we willingly keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:24-31‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Scripture often has no impact in these discussions but

“It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.

To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.

But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:4-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

harvest is about the fruit

 

[Genez]

amen

“If we willingly keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

That was written to whom? Hebrews.

What were these Hebrews doing?
They were rejecting the Cross of the Gospel.. And, were insisting upon the animal blood sacrifices in the Temple.

They were told the truth about the atonement of the Cross. They had received knowledge of the truth.
They were told that there were no more animal sacrifices for sins (animal blood in Temple) left to please God,
as they had done prior to Jesus dying for their sins.

Animal sacrifices that they insisted upon, and continued doing stubbornly while rejecting the Cross of Christ....

They never became born again.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That was written to whom? Hebrews.

What were these Hebrews doing?
They were rejecting the Cross of the Gospel.. And, were insisting upon the animal blood sacrifices in the Temple.

They were told the truth about the atonement of the Cross. They had received knowledge of the truth.
They were told that there were no more animal sacrifices for sins (animal blood in Temple) left to please God,
as they had done prior to Jesus dying for their sins.

Animal sacrifices that they insisted upon, and continued doing stubbornly while rejecting the Cross of Christ....

They never became born again.

“That was written to whom? Hebrews.”

Man this place is like spinning wheels in mud …..

 

[Genez]

“That was written to whom? Hebrews.”

Man this place is like spinning wheels in mud …..

Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.

It was written to the Church in Jerusalem in 67 AD as a warning before Jerusalem was to be destroyed in 70AD.
God's judgment was coming because of the failure of too many Jewish believers failing to live according to NT truth.

Just look at the Exodus. How God was killing off Jews in the wilderness for their failure to adjust His requirements.

All it would take to stop spinning wheels would be to humble ourselves to be willing to learn from someone who
who is gifted to teach the historical realities that were taking place in the Jerusalem church, and could teach from
the original languages the specific meaning for some key phrases to give insight.

It really bothers those who believe they already understand all they need to know... And, if you think any differently,
its you who must be wrong. C'est la vie!

 

[Cameron143]

Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.

It was written to the Church in Jerusalem in 67 AD as a warning before Jerusalem was to be destroyed in 70AD.
God's judgment was coming because of the failure of too many Jewish believers failing to live according to NT truth.

Just look at the Exodus. How God was killing off Jews in the wilderness for their failure to adjust His requirements.

All it would take to stop spinning wheels would be to humble ourselves to be willing to learn from someone who
who is gifted to teach the historical realities that were taking place in the Jerusalem church, and could teach from
the original languages the specific meaning for some key phrases to give insight.

It really bothers those who believe they already understand all they need to know... And, if you think any differently,
its you who must be wrong. C'est la vie!

Why do you believe judgment was due to unbelief and not failure to live up to the covenant that was soon to be dissolved?

 

[Genez]

Why do you believe judgment was due to unbelief and not failure to live up to the covenant that was soon to be dissolved?

When Jesus uttered the Words - "It is Finished!" the covenant became dissolved...
And, was soon to be clarified as soon as Pentecost heralded in believers becoming a new creation in Christ.


On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as
Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified."

John 7:37-39

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.

It was written to the Church in Jerusalem in 67 AD as a warning before Jerusalem was to be destroyed in 70AD.
God's judgment was coming because of the failure of too many Jewish believers failing to live according to NT truth.

Just look at the Exodus. How God was killing off Jews in the wilderness for their failure to adjust His requirements.

All it would take to stop spinning wheels would be to humble ourselves to be willing to learn from someone who
who is gifted to teach the historical realities that were taking place in the Jerusalem church, and could teach from
the original languages the specific meaning for some key phrases to give insight.

It really bothers those who believe they already understand all they need to know... And, if you think any differently,
its you who must be wrong. C'est la vie!

“Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.”

just people trying to make a difference between Hebrews and gentiles still as if it makes any difference to God in the new covenant

everything Jesus said was to Hebrews all of the apostles were Hebrews the original church was Hebrews who converted from Judaism thier doctrine in the New Testament is everyone’s doctrine in Christ

If it applies to a hebrew in Christ it applies to a gentile in Christ repentance from sin is something everyone has to do it doesn’t matter who he said it to that’s what I meant by spinning wheels in mud

If we remove everything said to Hebrews it removes the Old Testament and the four gospels ,

in other words everything the epistles are talking about lol

the Bible written by Hebrews for everyone the only thing that’s not for gentiles is the old covenant that’s not our covenant law or prophecy we learn about Jesus from it but we have a new covenant the gospel and new prophecy from tbe apostles and nt prophets .

This message is for anyone it doesn’t make any difference tbat it’a wrotten to Hebrews and by the way ( I’m not arguing your reason for why it was written at all seems pretty accurate ) I’m saying it doesn’t matter it’s still for everyone and applies because it’s revelation about the New Testament kingdom and the things in heaven it’s much much more than what your saying there

It speaks of heavenly things new things gods kingdom our high priest in heaven our apostle our holy city and promised land it has a whole chapter teaching us of faith and reveals clearly the removal of the old covenant as well as the institution of the new through its mediator Jesus Christ and his word and blood

Ot doesn’t matter if a persons Hebrew or gentile if we keep sinning willfully not repenting it’s gonna end badly for us anything a Hebrew can learn about the New Testament a gentile can also and it’s true for both

I’m sorry friend I’m pretty much at my limit with this place I’ll let you be in peace

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why do you believe judgment was due to unbelief and not failure to live up to the covenant that was soon to be dissolved?

Yeah I don’t think he’s seeing the new covenant warnings there thar are far greater for those who have accepted Christ and believe in him

 

[Cameron143]

When Jesus uttered the Words - "It is Finished!" the covenant became dissolved...
And, was soon to be clarified as soon as Pentecost heralded in believers becoming a new creation in Christ.


On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as
Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified."

John 7:37-39

Not sure how this addresses my question, but it does raise others. But before those, can you tie what you wrote to my original question?

 

[Genez]

“Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.”

just people trying to make a difference between Hebrews and gentiles still as if it makes any difference to God in the new covenant

everything Jesus said was to Hebrews all of the apostles were Hebrews the original church was Hebrews who converted from Judaism thier doctrine in the New Testament is everyone’s doctrine in Christ

If it applies to a hebrew in Christ it applies to a gentile in Christ repentance from sin is something everyone has to do it doesn’t matter who he said it to that’s what I meant by spinning wheels in mud

If we remove everything said to Hebrews it removes the Old Testament and the four gospels ,

in other words everything the epistles are talking about lol

the Bible written by Hebrews for everyone the only thing that’s not for gentiles is the old covenant that’s not our covenant law or prophecy we learn about Jesus from it but we have a new covenant the gospel and new prophecy from tbe apostles and nt prophets .

This message is for anyone it doesn’t make any difference tbat it’a wrotten to Hebrews and by the way ( I’m not arguing your reason for why it was written at all seems pretty accurate ) I’m saying it doesn’t matter it’s still for everyone and applies because it’s revelation about the New Testament kingdom and the things in heaven it’s much much more than what your saying there

It speaks of heavenly things new things gods kingdom our high priest in heaven our apostle our holy city and promised land it has a whole chapter teaching us of faith and reveals clearly the removal of the old covenant as well as the institution of the new through its mediator Jesus Christ and his word and blood

Ot doesn’t matter if a persons Hebrew or gentile if we keep sinning willfully not repenting it’s gonna end badly for us anything a Hebrew can learn about the New Testament a gentile can also and it’s true for both

I’m sorry friend I’m pretty much at my limit with this place I’ll let you be in peace

Hebrews was written to a specific people. A people who were causing a problem that gentiles could not trip themselves up with.
Gentiles could not enter the Temple in Jerusalem to present to a Levite priest a lamb to be offered on the alter to atone for his sins.

Now, what was going on in Jerusalem can be used to teach Gentiles principles of truth that they would benefit from learning and understanding. Christ was to be found in what the animal sacrifices represented. That is why the Book of Hebrews can benefit all.

 

[Genez]

Not sure how this addresses my question, but it does raise others. But before those, can you tie what you wrote to my original question?

Please .. I have read many things here. I also am active in various different forums and have several things on my mind.
Please? Present the original question, so I can be sure that I do not mistakenly think it was something else.

And, I may not have been trying to answer you original question, but rather a new question that had come to the surface.
Which causes me to wonder why it must relate to your original question anyway.

 

[Cameron143]

Please .. I have read many things here. I also am active in various different forums and have several things on my mind.
Please? Present the original question, so I can be sure that I do not mistakenly think it was something else.

And, I may not have been trying to answer you original question, but rather a new question that had come to the surface.
Which causes me to wonder why it must relate to your original question anyway.

Sure. You appeared to be saying that the reason God was bringing judgment upon the Jewish nation was because of unbelief. So I asked why is this the cause of the judgment and not the failure of the Jews to keep the terms of the covenant that would shortly end.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hebrews was written to a specific people. A people who were causing a problem that gentiles could not trip themselves up with.
Gentiles could not enter the Temple in Jerusalem to present to a Levite priest a lamb to be offered on the alter to atone for his sins.

Now, what was going on in Jerusalem can be used to teach Gentiles principles of truth that they would benefit from learning and understanding. Christ was to be found in what the animal sacrifices represented. That is why the Book of Hebrews can benefit all.

Yeah it was written to Hebrews everything in it is still true doctrine for everyone is my point it doesn’t change the facts of what’s stated like

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this speaks of how Moses law demanded a death sentence for sin without mercy , it’s saying then , how much greater of a punishment is one who defiles and tramples down Jesus blood and sacrifice by serving sin willingly once tbey have actually been set free from its dominion

It doesn’t matter if it’s a Hebrew who serves sin or a gentile who serves sin is my point the lesson is we must repent or perish like Jesus said like Peter and Paul kept saying in thoer epistles

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is Roman’s sayong the same thing we have to decide that we’re going to stop serving sin and decide we’re going to put all our heart and soul and self to obeying the lord and his good things

awe don’t need to be perfect willfully serving sin is what it’s about . God will work with us patiently as we overcome temptations and sin but when he delivers is from something we have to grab hold of it and not keep choosing the sin because shortly our opportunity will fade if we don’t respect and need the lords call to repentance

anyways brother I didn’t mean to be grumpy I’ve about had my fill of this place a appreciate your response tho God bless

 

[Inquisitor]

“Spinning wheels because some are failing to see the context and the reason for the book of Hebrew being written.”

just people trying to make a difference between Hebrews and gentiles still as if it makes any difference to God in the new covenant

everything Jesus said was to Hebrews all of the apostles were Hebrews the original church was Hebrews who converted from Judaism thier doctrine in the New Testament is everyone’s doctrine in Christ

If it applies to a hebrew in Christ it applies to a gentile in Christ repentance from sin is something everyone has to do it doesn’t matter who he said it to that’s what I meant by spinning wheels in mud

If we remove everything said to Hebrews it removes the Old Testament and the four gospels ,

in other words everything the epistles are talking about lol

the Bible written by Hebrews for everyone the only thing that’s not for gentiles is the old covenant that’s not our covenant law or prophecy we learn about Jesus from it but we have a new covenant the gospel and new prophecy from tbe apostles and nt prophets .

This message is for anyone it doesn’t make any difference tbat it’a wrotten to Hebrews and by the way ( I’m not arguing your reason for why it was written at all seems pretty accurate ) I’m saying it doesn’t matter it’s still for everyone and applies because it’s revelation about the New Testament kingdom and the things in heaven it’s much much more than what your saying there

It speaks of heavenly things new things gods kingdom our high priest in heaven our apostle our holy city and promised land it has a whole chapter teaching us of faith and reveals clearly the removal of the old covenant as well as the institution of the new through its mediator Jesus Christ and his word and blood

Ot doesn’t matter if a persons Hebrew or gentile if we keep sinning willfully not repenting it’s gonna end badly for us anything a Hebrew can learn about the New Testament a gentile can also and it’s true for both

I’m sorry friend I’m pretty much at my limit with this place I’ll let you be in peace

Hello Pilgrimshope.

When you say that Gentiles are not under the the old covenant. Obviously, your referring
to the Mosaic Covenant since Gentiles cannot be physically circumcised. In addition, you must
also include the Abrahamic Covenant for the same reason. Because Abraham was commanded
to be circumcised.

This then generates some difficult questions.

Was John the Baptist speaking only to the Hebrews or was John speaking to the Gentiles
also?

 

[Genez]

Sure. You appeared to be saying that the reason God was bringing judgment upon the Jewish nation was because of unbelief. So I asked why is this the cause of the judgment and not the failure of the Jews to keep the terms of the covenant that would shortly end.

What specific terms? What terms do you speak of?

Its not making sense the way you are saying it.
That is why I can not answer according to what you are assuming.

Are you saying that God judged Jewish Christians because they failed to stay under the Law that was to shortly end???
The Law ended on the Cross! So, if that is what you are asking about? Its a moot question.