What is the second coming of Christ all about?

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Mary144

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When is it time to go from the milk to the meat? (I Corinthians 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,). Who understands “One day to the Lord is `1000 years to us here on earth”? Who understands why Lord Jesus spoke of the way leading to eternal life is narrow and few find it? Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance. I get you all might be in here to simply find companionship yet really, who in here wants to know the truth? If you want to know the truth of whats going on, remember “Not all shall sleep, yet we shall all be changed” If you want to know the truth you have to ask Lord Jesus for the truth. There is this called a simple solution, its living water. ASK LORD Jesus for the truth of whats going on, be hungry and thirsty for the truth or not… continue on your merry way. M
 

DavyP

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I get you all might be in here to simply find companionship yet really, who in here wants to know the truth? If you want to know the truth of whats going on, remember “Not all shall sleep, yet we shall all be changed” If you want to know the truth you have to ask Lord Jesus for the truth. There is this called a simple solution, its living water. ASK LORD Jesus for the truth of whats going on, be hungry and thirsty for the truth or not… continue on your merry way. M
I saw the mystery of the devil's workings in this world first, it made me go back into historical writings, as one of the things Satan's children cannot prevent, is their bragging of their having done great things by their own hand. There is a trail they leave in every generation. This drove me into The Word of God with my praying and asking God through His Son, 'what's this world all about'?

That is when God through The Holy Spirit really hit with me the urge for line upon line Bible study. I learned to use helper tools that good Bible scholars left us, while allowing God's Word to interpret His Word for me. That initial Bible study throughout the whole Bible took me around 4-5 years. But understanding many things in His Word still was yet to come.

Because of that, I am a firm believer that if the Bible student stays in 'all'... of God's Word, line upon line, chapter by chapter, then when studying a matter, The Holy Spirit will remind you that you had read about that before, and direct you to go back and study it. I am still amazed how Lord Jesus especially when teaching in The Gospel referred at the same time to analogies first given in detail in The Old Testament prophets. If I hadn't read The Old Testament first, I would not have known those, unless I had a Bible that pointed me to it. (The Companion Bible, a KJV version with scholar notes in the margin, often does note that).
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus parables really teach us a lot in a unique way they are rich meat and potatoes

Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:34-35‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.

He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’ “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business.

The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.


“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’

So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless. “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
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Matthew‬ ‭22:1-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

We can see alot tbat we can’t elsewhere in the kingdom parables of Jesus the king
 

Blade

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When is it time to go from the milk to the meat? (I Corinthians 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,). Who understands “One day to the Lord is `1000 years to us here on earth”? Who understands why Lord Jesus spoke of the way leading to eternal life is narrow and few find it? Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance. I get you all might be in here to simply find companionship yet really, who in here wants to know the truth? If you want to know the truth of whats going on, remember “Not all shall sleep, yet we shall all be changed” If you want to know the truth you have to ask Lord Jesus for the truth. There is this called a simple solution, its living water. ASK LORD Jesus for the truth of whats going on, be hungry and thirsty for the truth or not… continue on your merry way. M
And its happening before your eyes here. Just want to touch on one thing you said "Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance.". This gets used allot against other believers yet its oddly never directed back at the one saying it, posting it. To just toss it out there not explained to those weak in the faith you just caused allot of fear which He never does. Now if some believe they are still here during the great tribulation how are they standing before Christ? Did He raise them form the dead because they were not in heaven? Well how did they not die when the world is being told worship or die. Then you take the mark or you die. But just before these verses we find those whos names are written in the lambs book will never worship the beast.

So just who are those standing before Him? Its not those whos names are written in the lambs book and how were killed. Its not the 12 (with Paul) whos names as Christ said "rejoice because your names are written in heaven". See He comes sets foot on the earth and gathers the nations those that just came out of the great tribulation as I read and understand.

So thank you.. but what you shared is not what the 2nd coming is all about. Pilgrim did a great job though.
 

Pilgrimshope

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When is it time to go from the milk to the meat? (I Corinthians 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,). Who understands “One day to the Lord is `1000 years to us here on earth”? Who understands why Lord Jesus spoke of the way leading to eternal life is narrow and few find it? Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance. I get you all might be in here to simply find companionship yet really, who in here wants to know the truth? If you want to know the truth of whats going on, remember “Not all shall sleep, yet we shall all be changed” If you want to know the truth you have to ask Lord Jesus for the truth. There is this called a simple solution, its living water. ASK LORD Jesus for the truth of whats going on, be hungry and thirsty for the truth or not… continue on your merry way. M
It’s an interesting question on the title of your post why do Christian’s even talk about a return of Jesus ? In the gospel he made promises

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:69‬ ‭NIV‬‬


“After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:

from these eye witness accounts and the many things Jesus said bout returning from heaven with his angels at the end of the world , springs the Christian faith and the reason we look to the heavens for his return at the end of the world. It’s only because we hear about it in the scripture or from some preacher that we would be waiting and expecting it .

Think of it even Jesus died on the earth and then after was raised up and went into heaven

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

( we hear so much In scriptire about this paradise in heaven above that we can’t see until we pass away on earth but we have to believe it without ever actually seeing and touching it in earth the promises are mostly for after our life here a better place prepared for us by Jesus )


….But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The idea in the scripture is that when he returns he will gather everyone who hears and believes and responded to the gospels call to them and those who repented and believed the gospel of our lord , will inherit the kingdom it promises them who believe our salvation from a world of chaos evil and death

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because he promised believers he would return one glorious day with eternal redemption for creation and an end to all evil forever
 

DavyP

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And its happening before your eyes here. Just want to touch on one thing you said "Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance.". This gets used allot against other believers yet its oddly never directed back at the one saying it, posting it. To just toss it out there not explained to those weak in the faith you just caused allot of fear which He never does.
Jesus did show us in Matthew 7 why those who will say, "Lord, Lord..." and He will tell those to get away from Him, that He never knew them, because... they worked "iniquity".

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity."
KJV


Just what "iniquity"? that is something every believer on Jesus Christ that claims to have studied His Word should already... well know about regarding the 'end' of this world, for that is especially when that iniquity applies for the end.

1. Firstly, Christ's Church will... be here through the coming "great tribulation" that Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse. Jesus plainly revealed in Matthew 24:29-31 that His future return to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation of those days.

2. Secondly, Jesus also warned for that "great tribulation" time that 'some' of His servants will be delivered up to give a Testimony against the beast by The Holy Spirit (Mark 13). That does not mean the whole Church is going to be destroyed. That confusion of what must happen to believers that go through the tribulation comes from those men that follow the doctrines of men started in 1830's Great Britain by John Nelson Darby about a false pre-trib rapture idea.

3. The "iniquity" especially set to happen for the deceived during the 'end', for the time of "great tribulation", will be falling away to worship the coming pseudo-Christ in place of Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul specifically warned us that just prior to His future return, there will come a false-Messiah to Jerusalem first, and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.

In Matthew 24:23-26, with the KJV, it is not an accurate translation of the Greek word pseudochristos which was rendered into English as "false Christs", as if Jesus was speaking of multiple false Christs when He was not. In Matthew 24:5 Jesus was... pointing to multiple false ones who would claim to be Christ. History has already had many of those, even in our day. But that is not... how the later Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture with "false Christs" is meant. The translation should have been about a 'singular' false-Christ, because the 23rd and 26th verses are in the 'singular' tense about a coming false one...

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you,
"Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
"Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV


In that above section of Matt.24 verses, Jesus was pointing to a 'singular' pseudo-Christ, not many. And He specifically... warned us that the deceived will even say to us, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; or "Behold, He is in the desert", or "behold, He is in the secret chambers." That warning is about a specific false-Christ or false-Messiah.

Even Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, he understood the tense Jesus was showing with the above was about a singular false-Christ, not many. That's why Dr. Strong defined that Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah' (NT:5580).

And Lord Jesus gave that warning for His Church within those verses that He was describing about the time of "great tribulation" for the end of this world (Matthew 24:15-28).

So think about that act of "iniquity" at the end of this world of falling away to worship the wrong... Messiah, which the believer on Jesus Christ going through the "great tribulation" can commit if they are not careful!

Apostle Paul warned us about that in 2 Corinthians 11, and in 2 Thessalonians 2. And Apostle John did warn us also with the example of the "another beast" starting at Revelation 13:11 forward. So none of those in Christ have any excuse to fall away to that fake-Messiah that will appear in Jerusalem first.

And just the fact that men's doctrines of a false pre-trib rapture that is nowhere written in God's Word, wants you to think Jesus was giving His Olivet discourse only about Jews, and not for the Church about the end, then that should... be a warning also that those men's doctrines do not align with what Lord Jesus showed His faithful servants.
 

Nehemiah6

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What is the second coming of Christ all about?
This is what the title asked, but no one seems to have addressed it.

There are multiple reasons for the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory", but the main purpose is for the Lord Jesus Christ to literally (and eventually) establish God's Kingdom on earth, and destroy all other kingdoms.

So here is the sequence of events and everyone should search out the relevant Scriptures regarding all this (Revelation 19-21):

1. The Lord descends from Heaven to earth with all His saints and angels.

2. He comes to Jerusalem for the battle of Armageddon, and destroys all his enemies, including the Beast (the Antichrist) and the False Prophet. Satan still remains to be imprisoned.

3. He then establishes His Millennial Kingdom on earth, and Satan is bound and imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

4. Satan is then released and allowed to deceive as many as did not fully surrender to Christ.

5. Satan gathers a vast army for the battle of Gog and Magog. Once again Christ destroys all His enemies, but now Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire.

6. Then there is the Great White throne judgement in which all the unsaved dead are judged according to their works, and cast into the Lake of Fire. Death and Hades are therefore abolished.

7. After this we have the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness" . Prior to that (and not found in Revelation) is the total burning up of the earth and its atmosphere.

8. Also the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven but remains a heavenly body in order to give light to the earth. The sun is replaced by this heavenly city and the Light of God and Christ lights everything.

9. Finally the eternal Kingdom of God is established on earth, and there will be no more sin and evil on earth.

10. Eventually Christ hands back to God the Father everything He has received from Him (including all power and authority), so that "God may be all and in all".
 

Marilyn

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When is it time to go from the milk to the meat? (I Corinthians 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,). Who understands “One day to the Lord is `1000 years to us here on earth”? Who understands why Lord Jesus spoke of the way leading to eternal life is narrow and few find it? Why many will say, Lord Lord we fed the poor healed the sick prophesied in your name, were denied entrance. I get you all might be in here to simply find companionship yet really, who in here wants to know the truth? If you want to know the truth of whats going on, remember “Not all shall sleep, yet we shall all be changed” If you want to know the truth you have to ask Lord Jesus for the truth. There is this called a simple solution, its living water. ASK LORD Jesus for the truth of whats going on, be hungry and thirsty for the truth or not… continue on your merry way. M
Hi Mary,

Yes the prophetic `Days` of the Lord. the word `Day` in Greek (& Hebrew) mean a period of time and a specific day. Thus, we need context.

1. The Day of Christ - period of time from Pentecost to the catching away of the mature Body of Christ on a specific day.

2. The Day of the LORD God Almighty - Starts with the Russian war on Israel`s mountains and concludes with the New heavens and new earth. It involves the judgment upon the Nations and deliverance of Israel.

3. The Day of God - eternity.

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DavyP

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This is what the title asked, but no one seems to have addressed it.

There are multiple reasons for the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory", but the main purpose is for the Lord Jesus Christ to literally (and eventually) establish God's Kingdom on earth, and destroy all other kingdoms.

So here is the sequence of events and everyone should search out the relevant Scriptures regarding all this (Revelation 19-21):
....
There's actually more detail revealed in God's Word about all that.

1. Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", the LAST day of this present world.

2. On His descent to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem on earth, the dead saints are resurrected first, and then the still alive saints on earth are gathered with them, to Him, and all head to the Mount of Olives on earth where His feet touch down, and there is a great valley formed there by that event.

3. Per Jesus in John 5:28-29, ALL... the dead, both the asleep saints, and the wicked dead, are resurrected on that day of Jesus' 2nd coming. The idea that the wicked dead are not raised until after the 1,000 years is over is a myth, a tradition of men that comes from their not understanding what the Rev.20:5 "dead" that lived not again until... the 1,000 years are over ' actually means.

The Revelation 20:5 "dead" represent SPIRITUALLY dead souls without Christ.

Jesus showed us about this 'spiritually' dead idea in The Gospel. He mentioned how the blind scribes and Pharisees were like beautiful whited tombs on the outside, but inside were full of dead men's bones (Matt.23:27). He was pointing to their soul being spiritually dead inside their flesh, like dead men's bones inside the tomb, but their tomb as their outside flesh with trying to appear clean and holy. He also compared them to graves that men walk over and are not aware. This is what the idea of the "dead" of Rev.20:5 actually means, and what Jesus showed in The Gospel about the blind scribes and Pharisees in comparison is not the only reason...

Recall Jesus per John 3 where He told Nicodemus that to enter the Kingdom of God one must be "born again", of water and of The Spirit. Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. Jesus revealed there are TWO DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE by that, this earthly one of material matter, and the heavenly one of Spirit. We have inside our flesh body another... body, but of Spirit, of that other dimension not of flesh. Apostle Paul clearly revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 about our other body, our spirit body from God that is eternal in the heavens.

On the day of Jesus' future return, ALL... those still alive on earth will be 'changed' at the twinkling of an eye to their spirit body, the flesh being cast off. At the same time, ALL the dead will be raised to that same spirit body, the resurrected body of 1 Cor.15 which Paul called a "spiritual body". Brethren that don't understand this as written, are still living in the dark ages about the make up that God made us with. The future "resurrection of life" is NOT to another flesh body. Per 1 Corinthians 15:50, Paul said flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

Thus the John 5:28-29 Scripture by Lord Jesus shows the Revelation 20:5 "dead" actually means the "resurrection of damnation" that are raised on the day of Christ's 2nd coming at the start... of the 1,000 years of Rev.20. Their souls will still be in a spiritually dead, liable to die condition subject to the "second death" of the "lake of fire". They will be in that type of condition throughout the whole 1,000 years reign by Christ and His elect.

Apostle Paul actually covered this concept about the spiritually dead which will include the wicked still alive on the day of Christ's 2nd coming. The still alive wicked will also... be 'changed' on that day of Christ's coming. The pop myth pushed by many in today's Church that only those in Christ will be 'changed' to the "spiritual body" per 1 Cor.15 is a just that, a pop tradition, a myth from not fully understanding Paul.

In 1 Corinthians 15:53-54, Paul used FOUR SEPARATE Greek words to define a change from our flesh body, to the spiritual body, and the condition of our dead soul being changed to an immortal soul by Faith on Christ. Most don't take the time to look up these 4 different words in the Greek...

1 Cor 15:53
53 For this
corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV


1. "corruptible" = flesh body
2. "incorruption" = "spiritual body", the resurrection body

AND
3. "this mortal" = a mortal still liable to die soul
4. "immortality" = the soul made immortal by Faith on Jesus Christ


Those blind scribes and Pharisees which Jesus rebuked, that 1st change ONLY will apply to them, their mortal souls will STILL be "dead" in that future time of Christ's 1,000 years reign.
 

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There's actually more detail revealed in God's Word about all that.

1. Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", the LAST day of this present world.

2. On His descent to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem on earth, the dead saints are resurrected first, and then the still alive saints on earth are gathered with them, to Him, and all head to the Mount of Olives on earth where His feet touch down, and there is a great valley formed there by that event.

3. Per Jesus in John 5:28-29, ALL... the dead, both the asleep saints, and the wicked dead, are resurrected on that day of Jesus' 2nd coming. The idea that the wicked dead are not raised until after the 1,000 years is over is a myth, a tradition of men that comes from their not understanding what the Rev.20:5 "dead" that lived not again until... the 1,000 years are over ' actually means.

The Revelation 20:5 "dead" represent SPIRITUALLY dead souls without Christ.

Jesus showed us about this 'spiritually' dead idea in The Gospel. He mentioned how the blind scribes and Pharisees were like beautiful whited tombs on the outside, but inside were full of dead men's bones (Matt.23:27). He was pointing to their soul being spiritually dead inside their flesh, like dead men's bones inside the tomb, but their tomb as their outside flesh with trying to appear clean and holy. He also compared them to graves that men walk over and are not aware. This is what the idea of the "dead" of Rev.20:5 actually means, and what Jesus showed in The Gospel about the blind scribes and Pharisees in comparison is not the only reason...

Recall Jesus per John 3 where He told Nicodemus that to enter the Kingdom of God one must be "born again", of water and of The Spirit. Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. Jesus revealed there are TWO DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE by that, this earthly one of material matter, and the heavenly one of Spirit. We have inside our flesh body another... body, but of Spirit, of that other dimension not of flesh. Apostle Paul clearly revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 about our other body, our spirit body from God that is eternal in the heavens.

On the day of Jesus' future return, ALL... those still alive on earth will be 'changed' at the twinkling of an eye to their spirit body, the flesh being cast off. At the same time, ALL the dead will be raised to that same spirit body, the resurrected body of 1 Cor.15 which Paul called a "spiritual body". Brethren that don't understand this as written, are still living in the dark ages about the make up that God made us with. The future "resurrection of life" is NOT to another flesh body. Per 1 Corinthians 15:50, Paul said flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

Thus the John 5:28-29 Scripture by Lord Jesus shows the Revelation 20:5 "dead" actually means the "resurrection of damnation" that are raised on the day of Christ's 2nd coming at the start... of the 1,000 years of Rev.20. Their souls will still be in a spiritually dead, liable to die condition subject to the "second death" of the "lake of fire". They will be in that type of condition throughout the whole 1,000 years reign by Christ and His elect.

Apostle Paul actually covered this concept about the spiritually dead which will include the wicked still alive on the day of Christ's 2nd coming. The still alive wicked will also... be 'changed' on that day of Christ's coming. The pop myth pushed by many in today's Church that only those in Christ will be 'changed' to the "spiritual body" per 1 Cor.15 is a just that, a pop tradition, a myth from not fully understanding Paul.

In 1 Corinthians 15:53-54, Paul used FOUR SEPARATE Greek words to define a change from our flesh body, to the spiritual body, and the condition of our dead soul being changed to an immortal soul by Faith on Christ. Most don't take the time to look up these 4 different words in the Greek...

1 Cor 15:53
53 For this
corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV


1. "corruptible" = flesh body
2. "incorruption" = "spiritual body", the resurrection body

AND
3. "this mortal" = a mortal still liable to die soul
4. "immortality" = the soul made immortal by Faith on Jesus Christ


Those blind scribes and Pharisees which Jesus rebuked, that 1st change ONLY will apply to them, their mortal souls will STILL be "dead" in that future time of Christ's 1,000 years reign.
“On His descent to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem on earth, the dead saints are resurrected first”

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12-13‬ ‭
 

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“On His descent to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem on earth, the dead saints are resurrected first”

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬
That above was the John 5:25 example that happened at Jesus' death on the cross. It is also linked with 1 Peter 3 & 4 about Jesus preaching The Gospel to the "spirits in prison", and leading those who believed out, which was first prophesied in Isaiah 42:7:

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV



The following is for the future on the day of Christ's future return:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
 

Pilgrimshope

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That above was the John 5:25 example that happened at Jesus' death on the cross. It is also linked with 1 Peter 3 & 4 about Jesus preaching The Gospel to the "spirits in prison", and leading those who believed out, which was first prophesied in Isaiah 42:7:

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV



The following is for the future on the day of Christ's future return:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
“That above was the John 5:25 example that happened at Jesus' death on the cross.”

not at all ita. Fulfillment of the Old Testament promise of a resurrection when the messiah came the first time at the end of thier covenent this particular promise was fuflilled

a prophecy

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s a promise to israel specifically under the law

It’s fulfillment

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The first covenant offered a resurrection specifically to the saints of israels old covenant promises through the prophets it was fulfilled Jesus came to fulfill the law and prophets

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

these are those slaughtered during that generation when the Bible’s new tertement was being lived out and written down and spread into the world by his chosen witnesses. Many were killed by Nero hundreds of thousands at the least a few years later.

and also beforehand in the ot had martyrs also and prophets killed by Jerusalem

the Bible promises two mass resurrections one for Israel’s old covenant people when he came the first time ,

The second one were promised for the church at his second coming and judgement day.

“But every man in his own order: Christ , the firstfruits;( the generation of Jesus church that was slaughtered for Gods word and witness still to us in scripture)

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Each testement has its own prophecy it’s own promises even it’s own ‭resurrection promise each resurrection corresponding to each time of Jesus coming to earth

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“That above was the John 5:25 example that happened at Jesus' death on the cross.”

not at all ita. Fulfillment of the Old Testament promise of a resurrection when the messiah came the first time at the end of thier covenent this particular promise was fuflilled

a prophecy

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s a promise to israel specifically under the law

It’s fulfillment

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I have to strongly... disagree.
The Ezekiel 37 example is for the future when Jesus Christ returns, and the reason is because in that latter part of that Chapter it shows the gathering by Christ and restoration of the Israel which God originally promised their fathers, which is still yet to happen today.


Here is where the prophecy originated for the resurrection of 'some' of the saints at the time of Jesus' death on the cross that was fulfilled...

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV

That was about Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross. That "prison" is about the heavenly prison...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV


And then this next part in the 1 Peter 4 Chapter which goes with the above...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For,
for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That shows those "spirits in prison" were the spirits of men that had died without Christ or hearing of The Gospel back to the time of Noah. Jesus at His resurrection preached The Gospel to them, and thus those of them that believed would live according to God in the spirit, meaning in the heavenly dimension in their spirit bodies. Those saints were most likely the ones that were resurrected at the time of Christ's death on the cross, and they went into the city and appeared to many brethren. Did that mean got new flesh bodies? NO! of course not. They were in their spirit bodies, which like the angelic body, is able to appear upon this earth. They did not die again, which would violate Hebrews 9:27.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I have to strongly... disagree.
The Ezekiel 37 example is for the future when Jesus Christ returns, and the reason is because in that latter part of that Chapter it shows the gathering by Christ and restoration of the Israel which God originally promised their fathers, which is still yet to happen today.


Here is where the prophecy originated for the resurrection of 'some' of the saints at the time of Jesus' death on the cross that was fulfilled...

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV

That was about Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross. That "prison" is about the heavenly prison...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV


And then this next part in the 1 Peter 4 Chapter which goes with the above...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For,
for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That shows those "spirits in prison" were the spirits of men that had died without Christ or hearing of The Gospel back to the time of Noah. Jesus at His resurrection preached The Gospel to them, and thus those of them that believed would live according to God in the spirit, meaning in the heavenly dimension in their spirit bodies. Those saints were most likely the ones that were resurrected at the time of Christ's death on the cross, and they went into the city and appeared to many brethren. Did that mean got new flesh bodies? NO! of course not. They were in their spirit bodies, which like the angelic body, is able to appear upon this earth. They did not die again, which would violate Hebrews 9:27.
I’m alright if you dont agree no offense or anything sometimes two people see things differently to me I sort of compare ot promises with what happened in the New Testament and it says is the fulfillment of prophecy . Sort of a really simple view

Like this

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

fulfillment in Christ to the people he spoke it to

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The new testement begins with John the Baptist and then Jesus arrives saying

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a final scriptire that tells me the same is this one

“Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭

It’s alright if you disagree I’m alright with it , if we all agreed all the time there wouldn’t be anything to discuss
 

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what happened in the New Testament and it says is the fulfillment of prophecy . Sort of a really simple view...
So you are suggesting that all prophecies were fulfilled at the first coming of Christ? That is not "simple" but totally false, and even the NT says that there are future prophecies to be fulfilled.
 

Pilgrimshope

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So you are suggesting that all prophecies were fulfilled at the first coming of Christ? That is not "simple" but totally false, and even the NT says that there are future prophecies to be fulfilled.
there are two testaments in the Bible one is fulfilled one is yet to be. Seems basic but I mean brother most of what I say , you insist is false so I’m not suprised.
 

Nehemiah6

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there are two testaments in the Bible one is fulfilled one is yet to be. Seems basic but I mean brother most of what I say , you insist is false so I’m not suprised.
But you will not examine your false beliefs and ditch them. Yes you have posted a lot of false information, and now it is up to you to ether retract that or double down on it. You are causing a lot of spiritual confusion.
 

Pilgrimshope

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But you will not examine your false beliefs and ditch them. Yes you have posted a lot of false information, and now it is up to you to ether retract that or double down on it. You are causing a lot of spiritual confusion.
Lol they aren’t false it’s just that everything is false that you don’t say in your mind . It’s okay with me if you don’t agree Nehemiah I’m alright with that. I didnt say anything false , I said you always say it’s false. You seem to label something false daily not just that I say but it occured to me that it’s just everyone you don’t agree with someone else they become false …..

you are just another Christian like I am .