In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old
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While I havent found an exact date I think that is at the least close and even possibly correct, I was counting from His birth.
In the modern Hebrew calendar it is year 5783. Also I forgot to post in my satement 163-166 to 239-240 years missing from the calendar. The “restraining” would be holding the end times back to allow the “fullness of the Gentiles” missing years would not necessarily make that view false but would put us at the years 5,854-5,857 to 5,783-5,784.
It's been years since I have studied this topic so Im a bit rusty, but these were my findings
While I havent found an exact date I think that is at the least close and even possibly correct, I was counting from His birth.
In the modern Hebrew calendar it is year 5783. Also I forgot to post in my satement 163-166 to 239-240 years missing from the calendar. The “restraining” would be holding the end times back to allow the “fullness of the Gentiles” missing years would not necessarily make that view false but would put us at the years 5,854-5,857 to 5,783-5,784.
It's been years since I have studied this topic so Im a bit rusty, but these were my findings
I would like to update my findings on time from creation due to some relevant unsealing of scriptures.
Been a time researcher for almost 40 years but I have reached the end of my research to say 6000th day will end in year 2029.
So, this s a 3 year deviation from my findings in 2023. Too much material to share on a few threads,
The year 2032 is the end of the 7 year Tribulation IMO but the Day or the Lord begins at the end of the Trumpet Judgement and start of the Vial Judgements, shorting the days for the righteous. being the 6000th Day.
Been a time researcher for almost 40 years but I have reached the end of my research to say 6000th day will end in year 2029.
So, this s a 3 year deviation from my findings in 2023. Too much material to share on a few threads,
The year 2032 is the end of the 7 year Tribulation IMO but the Day or the Lord begins at the end of the Trumpet Judgement and start of the Vial Judgements, shorting the days for the righteous. being the 6000th Day.
You should write a paper and let it be reviewed.
Assemble your notes and Bibliography. Citation software is practically freeware today. But believe it or not....there are funds available for research such as this.
But....be careful. Especially around Moody. They tend to bury research they pay for that doesn't promote their precise theological views. Meaning they buy the paper and the rights but then do not publish it. They bury it. Without a publishing publication it doesn't exist.
Several post-docs I personally know have complained about this very thing. They wanted their completed research works to be built upon and for the work to be publicly available for anyone and everyone....but it's locked away in a vault somewhere. Not even publicly peer reviewed. Just privately.
Assemble your notes and Bibliography. Citation software is practically freeware today. But believe it or not....there are funds available for research such as this.
But....be careful. Especially around Moody. They tend to bury research they pay for that doesn't promote their precise theological views. Meaning they buy the paper and the rights but then do not publish it. They bury it. Without a publishing publication it doesn't exist.
Several post-docs I personally know have complained about this very thing. They wanted their completed research works to be built upon and for the work to be publicly available for anyone and everyone....but it's locked away in a vault somewhere. Not even publicly peer reviewed. Just privately.
The Masoretic is perfectly well known to be corrupted by Rabbi Akiva at about 100AD.
These problems disappear when using the LXX Septuagint, which is what Paul was quoting from most of the time.
Furthermore, the LXX is the ONLY text one must use to determine accurate chronologies.
Akiva butchered the correct patriarchal life-spans whimsically.
Barry Setterfield is pretty much spot on here, other than a 20 year error in Judges (93 vs 113 missing years), which he has since corrected. This pushes the dates 20 years back in time.
https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction
This chart HAS been corrected. Abraham was born 2322 BC.
BTW, Archbishop Ussher's (absurd) chronology uses the flawed Masoretic, and he opines that
the Flood of Noah happened 2348 BC. Yet the ACCURATE DATE of the birth of Abraham is 2322 BC.
Do you see a problem here?
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...d-is-about-6000-years-old.211443/post-5101584
These problems disappear when using the LXX Septuagint, which is what Paul was quoting from most of the time.
Furthermore, the LXX is the ONLY text one must use to determine accurate chronologies.
Akiva butchered the correct patriarchal life-spans whimsically.
Barry Setterfield is pretty much spot on here, other than a 20 year error in Judges (93 vs 113 missing years), which he has since corrected. This pushes the dates 20 years back in time.
https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction
This chart HAS been corrected. Abraham was born 2322 BC.
BTW, Archbishop Ussher's (absurd) chronology uses the flawed Masoretic, and he opines that
the Flood of Noah happened 2348 BC. Yet the ACCURATE DATE of the birth of Abraham is 2322 BC.
Do you see a problem here?
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...d-is-about-6000-years-old.211443/post-5101584
Much of the NT are quotes from a "Vorlage" text, a master Greek translation of their paleo-Hebrew text, the original text.
"The Archbishop Ussher/Masoretic proposition is.....utterly wrong.
The accurate LXX Septuagint must be used.
Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC......preposterous and incorrect.
Barry Setterfield using the LXX Septuagint: Abraham born 2322 BC......spot on and precisely correct.
Do you perceive a problem here......? Yes, there is a mere 26 years difference."
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ut-6000-years-old.211443/page-23#post-5101973
"The Archbishop Ussher/Masoretic proposition is.....utterly wrong.
The accurate LXX Septuagint must be used.
Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC......preposterous and incorrect.
Barry Setterfield using the LXX Septuagint: Abraham born 2322 BC......spot on and precisely correct.
Do you perceive a problem here......? Yes, there is a mere 26 years difference."
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ut-6000-years-old.211443/page-23#post-5101973
You ask if I believe that the Earth is 600 yrs old. Well it realy does not matter what I Think, its what the Bible states which matters. Many sincere Christians believe in a young Earth and many other equally sincere Christians believe in an old Earth. However I can not find anywhere in Scripture where it states the age of the Earth. In Gen. 1:1,2 We are simply told that In the Beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth. I believe God wants us to simply accept these two verses by faith. Faith is important as a starting point for all Scripture. God sees faith as more important than knowledge. You can take words and verses from here and there and make from them strong arguments for both an old and a young Earth. I believe God started His six creative acts to prepare the Earth for mankind at verse 3 of Gen.1. My reason for this is that at the beginning of everyone of His six acts the appropriate verse commences with the words “Then God said” or equivalent in various Bible versions. These words are not found for verses 1 and 2. Whatever we believe on this subject will make no difference to our salvation. I believe God wants us to exercise our faith and not get bogged down in fruitless debates. It is far more important that we spend our time carrying the Gospel to the lost and strengthening the weak. I am sure God foresaw that Christians would waste time on these sort of subjects when He had written the following.
Matt 23:24
Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Rom. 14:1
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
1 Timothy 1:4
nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
1 Timothy 6:4
he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions,
2 Timothy 2:23
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
God does not want us to be squabbling. We should study what has been revealed, but in the realisation that God has revealed only enough for us to grasp that He is the creator of all things and that He made mankind in His image and base our faith on that. (Faith is more important than knowledge)
So please, avoid any squabbling and simply exercise faith.
The Bible does go into a lot of details about the Genealogy from Adam To Jesus.
Archbishop Usher in AD 1650 calculated that Adam was created in BC 4004. I have made my own calculations using the NKJV and came up with the date of BC 4162. I also calculated the date for Adams creation from the NETS version of the Septuagint (most if not all the Septuagint versions we have in English will come up with the same or similar results). That calculation gives the date as BC 5508. – However the Septuagint figures show some bad errors and cannot be relied on. I will attempt to upload my calculations from the NKJV but it may not work. If it doesn’t I will leave it at this point. I tried but did not load correctly .
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That's true. But the age of the earth has been determined through the chronology of the Old Testament, which is based upon the genealogies which are in the Bible (as well as other historical dates). On that basis the earth is about 6,000 years old. The earth did not exist before then and this is shown in the Ten Commandments: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11). This is confirmed in Hebrews 11:3: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. In other words, nothing existed before creation, when God spoke and created all things (except Adam).
The date of the birth if Abraham can be deduced from ANY text. One must use the NT passages to fill in the blanks.
And yes, all say that Abraham was born in 2322-ish BC.
What NT passages? These passages.....
I hope you all have a decent attention span.
https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?s=255468c5dcbf97279a648e003386bdfc&p=23974&postcount=4
And yes, all say that Abraham was born in 2322-ish BC.
What NT passages? These passages.....
I hope you all have a decent attention span.
https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?s=255468c5dcbf97279a648e003386bdfc&p=23974&postcount=4
I definitely do not agree with everything Barry postulates. But this I definitely agree with.
Other than one correction: this period should be 593 years. Barry understands his 20 year error and has since made the correction.
"The record there states that 480 years elapsed from the Exodus to 4th year of the reign of Solomon when work began on the Temple. This needs to be examined closely as other Biblical passages imply that the total length of this period amounted to 573 years."
https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction
Other than one correction: this period should be 593 years. Barry understands his 20 year error and has since made the correction.
"The record there states that 480 years elapsed from the Exodus to 4th year of the reign of Solomon when work began on the Temple. This needs to be examined closely as other Biblical passages imply that the total length of this period amounted to 573 years."
https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...d-is-about-6000-years-old.211443/post-5099877
"add 480 years" ......+ the 113 out-of-fellowship years = 593 years.
When Paul says "about 450 years" (Acts 13:17) he means 473 years.
And four generations is.....four generations, spanning THE SUM OF THE AGES OF THESE PATRIARCHS. Which is the KEY TO CORRECTLY DATING THE GENESIS GENEOLOGIES.
This is the genealogy of Moses.
Just as near east biblical kings and their reginal years were used in creating a "calendar" (which is EVERYWERE in Scripture BTW), so it was with our Bible Patriarchs, who were God's elect representatives on the earth.
Levi 77 years in Egypt
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
430 years total time
1Ch 6:1
The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
1Ch 6:2
And the sons of Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel.
1Ch 6:3
And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
There are MANY MANY OTHER intervening members of this genealogy. But only the FOUR PATRIARCHES are noted."
"To solve this puzzle, let us assume that God is giving us the calendar for the Israelitish sojourn in Egypt. One might recall that Jacob came to Egypt with his sons including Levi, and that the Israelites went out of Egypt under the leadership of Moses and Aaron. Both Levi and Aaron are mentioned in Exodus 6 and the age of Aaron at the time of Israel's departure from Egypt is given as 83 (Exodus 7:7). It can be shown from the Biblical references that when Levi entered Egypt he was 60 to 63 years of age, with the burden of the evidence pointing to 60 years.5 Since he died at the age of 137, he lived 77 years in Egypt. If this is a calendar giving the names of the reference patriarchs or generations, we would expect that Kohath was a descendant of Levi and was born the year of Levi's death; and that Amram was a descendant of Kohath, and that he was born the year of Kohath's death. Aaron in turn was born the year of Amram's death, and was descended from Amram."
"add 480 years" ......+ the 113 out-of-fellowship years = 593 years.
When Paul says "about 450 years" (Acts 13:17) he means 473 years.
And four generations is.....four generations, spanning THE SUM OF THE AGES OF THESE PATRIARCHS. Which is the KEY TO CORRECTLY DATING THE GENESIS GENEOLOGIES.
This is the genealogy of Moses.
Just as near east biblical kings and their reginal years were used in creating a "calendar" (which is EVERYWERE in Scripture BTW), so it was with our Bible Patriarchs, who were God's elect representatives on the earth.
Levi 77 years in Egypt
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
430 years total time
1Ch 6:1
The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
1Ch 6:2
And the sons of Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel.
1Ch 6:3
And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
There are MANY MANY OTHER intervening members of this genealogy. But only the FOUR PATRIARCHES are noted."
"To solve this puzzle, let us assume that God is giving us the calendar for the Israelitish sojourn in Egypt. One might recall that Jacob came to Egypt with his sons including Levi, and that the Israelites went out of Egypt under the leadership of Moses and Aaron. Both Levi and Aaron are mentioned in Exodus 6 and the age of Aaron at the time of Israel's departure from Egypt is given as 83 (Exodus 7:7). It can be shown from the Biblical references that when Levi entered Egypt he was 60 to 63 years of age, with the burden of the evidence pointing to 60 years.5 Since he died at the age of 137, he lived 77 years in Egypt. If this is a calendar giving the names of the reference patriarchs or generations, we would expect that Kohath was a descendant of Levi and was born the year of Levi's death; and that Amram was a descendant of Kohath, and that he was born the year of Kohath's death. Aaron in turn was born the year of Amram's death, and was descended from Amram."
430+40 years of families should equal a very large number, and it does.
The point being that there were MANY generations of Levites who were born between the entering of Egypt and the Exodus and then the entry into the Promised Land 40 years later.
Num 26:57
And these are they that were numbered of the Levites after their families: of Gershon, the family of the Gershonites: of Kohath, the family of the Kohathites: of Merari, the family of the Merarites.
Num 26:58
These are the families of the Levites: the family of the Libnites, the family of the Hebronites, the family of the Mahlites, the family of the Mushites, the family of the Korathites. And Kohath begat Amram.
Num 26:59
And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bare to Levi in Egypt: and she bare unto Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.
Num 26:60
And unto Aaron was born Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
Num 26:61
And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.
Num 26:62
And those that were numbered of them were twenty and three thousand, all males from a month old and upward: for they were not numbered among the children of Israel, because there was no inheritance given them among the children of Israel.
Num 26:63
These are they that were numbered by Moses and Eleazar the priest, who numbered the children of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.
Num 26:64
But among these there was not a man of them whom Moses and Aaron the priest numbered, when they numbered the children of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai.
Num 26:65
For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness. And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
The point being that there were MANY generations of Levites who were born between the entering of Egypt and the Exodus and then the entry into the Promised Land 40 years later.
Num 26:57
And these are they that were numbered of the Levites after their families: of Gershon, the family of the Gershonites: of Kohath, the family of the Kohathites: of Merari, the family of the Merarites.
Num 26:58
These are the families of the Levites: the family of the Libnites, the family of the Hebronites, the family of the Mahlites, the family of the Mushites, the family of the Korathites. And Kohath begat Amram.
Num 26:59
And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bare to Levi in Egypt: and she bare unto Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.
Num 26:60
And unto Aaron was born Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
Num 26:61
And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.
Num 26:62
And those that were numbered of them were twenty and three thousand, all males from a month old and upward: for they were not numbered among the children of Israel, because there was no inheritance given them among the children of Israel.
Num 26:63
These are they that were numbered by Moses and Eleazar the priest, who numbered the children of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.
Num 26:64
But among these there was not a man of them whom Moses and Aaron the priest numbered, when they numbered the children of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai.
Num 26:65
For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness. And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
If one wants accuracy one must begin with Adam creation being the sixth day of creation'
For giggles I will post some of my conclusions: All dates from creation unless otherwise noted
Methuseleh born year 687 died year of flood 1656
Noah born 1056----------------------died 2006------- Noah was 600 years old when flood started
Abraham born 1948------------------died 2123
Destruction of Sodom---------------2047
Jacob born 2108---Jacob stand before Pharoh at 130 year old-year 2238---died 2255
Exodus date----2553 or 1447 BC
1 Kings 6:1---Solomon begins building Temple---3033
Date of Jesus Birth-5 BC----Crucified 29AD----remember no 0 year when crossing BC to AD
Jesus crucified date on creation time line---end of the 3999th year
Tribulation begin date---Feast Trumpets 2025
For giggles I will post some of my conclusions: All dates from creation unless otherwise noted
Methuseleh born year 687 died year of flood 1656
Noah born 1056----------------------died 2006------- Noah was 600 years old when flood started
Abraham born 1948------------------died 2123
Destruction of Sodom---------------2047
Jacob born 2108---Jacob stand before Pharoh at 130 year old-year 2238---died 2255
Exodus date----2553 or 1447 BC
1 Kings 6:1---Solomon begins building Temple---3033
Date of Jesus Birth-5 BC----Crucified 29AD----remember no 0 year when crossing BC to AD
Jesus crucified date on creation time line---end of the 3999th year
Tribulation begin date---Feast Trumpets 2025
Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC
Any version of the Bible: Abraham born 2322 BC
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Difference 26 years
You could use 1 Kings 6 - "480 years" and all that you gain is 113 years = 139 years
Not even close to enough time to build up the civilizations spoken of in the Bible at that point.
Any version of the Bible: Abraham born 2322 BC
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Difference 26 years
You could use 1 Kings 6 - "480 years" and all that you gain is 113 years = 139 years
Not even close to enough time to build up the civilizations spoken of in the Bible at that point.
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My Exodus date is 2553 from creation
Add 480 years =3033 to the 4th year of Solomon's reign
Everyone seems to agree King David was reigning 1000BC--My outlook is within that time frame with any studies done on King David
Well, I do know what I am talking about
CV5--I can tell you have never studied this yourself
My Exodus date is 2553 from creation
Add 480 years =3033 to the 4th year of Solomon's reign
Everyone seems to agree King David was reigning 1000BC--My outlook is within that time frame with any studies done on King David
Well, I do know what I am talking about
CV5--I can tell you have never studied this yourself
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