Do You Hate Trump so Much You're Willing to let Biden/Harris Destroy America?

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JayBird

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The Biden administration responding to the allegation that they are facilitating human trafficking.
Sorry, I'm not following. You seemed to agree that President Biden and Vice President Harris are actually engaging in human trafficking. Is that what you really believe?

Unbroken Chains: The Hidden Role of Human Trafficking in the American Economy
That's a link to buy a book. What in the book are you referring to?

Author: Saket Soni
Same thing.

[Jim Caviezel Goes In Depth On Human Trafficking And New Movie "Sound Of Freedom"
That's a movie.
 

ZNP

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Then the article is lying, since that's not what the report said. The unaccounted for UCs are the ones who don't show up for their hearings (obviously the ones who do show up are accounted for). The third page clearly states, "ICE reported more than 32,000 UCs failed to appear for their immigration court hearings from FYs 2019 to 2023."
According to the article many of the UC minors were not assigned a court date. Are you claiming that was a false statement?


I strongly suggest that whenever you see someone try and tell you what's in a report, you take the time to read the report yourself rather than let someone else tell you what's in it.
Strongly suggesting? Is that the new and improved Jaybird? Were all your other suggestions so weak that no one paid any attention so now you must strongly suggest?

And I agree, ICE needs to do better.

Trump's policy of deliberately taking children from families to serve as a deterrent to other migrants was among the main reasons I couldn't vote for him last time.
So then this issue does matter to you and you do agree that it is not being handled as well as it should be. That is an area of agreement that a discussion could be based on.
 

ZNP

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Sorry, I'm not following. You seemed to agree that President Biden and Vice President Harris are actually engaging in human trafficking. Is that what you really believe?
I don't consider this an item of the faith. No. Rather I think that the number of immigrants coming into the US has increased substantially during the Biden administration, they have fought against sealing the border, and they have facilitated this influx, some of whom are victims of human trafficking. In fact the policy makes it very easy for anyone with a child to enter the country without any provision for making sure the child is not being trafficked. Based on their policy and based on the numbers and based on the fact that human trafficking has increased in numbers and profitability during the Biden administration I feel this allegation that they are facilitating it should be addressed by them to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is not true. Failing to do that they have the appearance of evil. I won't pass judgment on whether or not they are truly evil, that is for the courts and for God to do.

That's a link to buy a book. What in the book are you referring to?


Same thing.


That's a movie.
The books and the movie lay out quite a bit of information on human trafficking in the US which has increased substantially since 2020 so that it is now a much more lucrative business than the drug trade in the US for the cartels.
 

JayBird

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According to the article many of the UC minors were not assigned a court date. Are you claiming that was a false statement?
I'd have to look at the report, since the article seems misleading.

So then this issue does matter to you and you do agree that it is not being handled as well as it should be. That is an area of agreement that a discussion could be based on.
Yes, I very much agree.
 

ZNP

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You were griping about people who promote the COVID vaccines, which includes Trump.


Thanks for explaining.
Griping about the Covid vaccine does not equate to being anti vaxx. I have made it clear repeatedly on this forum that I am not against the vaccine or against anyone who chooses to take it. I have expressed my appreciation for those who have willingly given themselves to be human guinea pigs.

No, what I am against is the illegal mandate of the Covid vaccine which caused me and my wife to lose our jobs. The mandate violated the law. I have gone over the law in detail on this forum and shown clearly and without any doubt that it was a violation of the law. That is what I am against, illegally mandating experimental vaccines.

Please stop the personal attacks.
Of course, please stop ascribing to me things that are not true. I am not a "supporter" of Trump though I may vote for him as is my right as a citizen of the US. I also pray for him. Neither makes me a "supporter".

Also I am not "anti vaxx" which I consider to be an insult as I am a scientist.
 

JayBird

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I don't consider this an item of the faith. No.
Good, we agree.

Rather I think that the number of immigrants coming into the US has increased substantially during the Biden administration
Yep, after the pandemic migration ramped back up substantially.

they have fought against sealing the border, and they have facilitated this influx, some of whom are victims of human trafficking.
The record shows that President Biden asked Congress for additional funds for more agents, technology, and resources. President Biden also supported and said he would sign the immigration reform bill developed by Sen. Lankford (R-OK), but the Republican House refused to allow it to come up for a vote under orders from Trump.

So the record doesn't match your claim.

In fact the policy makes it very easy for anyone with a child to enter the country without any provision for making sure the child is not being trafficked.
What policy is that?

Based on their policy and based on the numbers and based on the fact that human trafficking has increased in numbers and profitability during the Biden administration I feel this allegation that they are facilitating it should be addressed by them to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is not true. Failing to do that they have the appearance of evil. I won't pass judgment on whether or not they are truly evil, that is for the courts and for God to do.
How do you feel about the fact that after House Republicans killed the immigration bill, President Biden issued an executive order and shut the border down?

The books and the movie lay out quite a bit of information on human trafficking in the US which has increased substantially since 2020 so that it is now a much more lucrative business than the drug trade in the US for the cartels.
Do you have them?
 

cv5

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My biggest takeaway front the DNC, is that the Dems are the party of the establishment.

The Bidens, the Clintons, the Obamas. These ruling elite families control the Democrat party.

Compared to the new-look GOP, where Trump banished the Bushes, the McCains, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, etc.
 

JayBird

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Griping about the Covid vaccine does not equate to being anti vaxx. I have made it clear repeatedly on this forum that I am not against the vaccine or against anyone who chooses to take it. I have expressed my appreciation for those who have willingly given themselves to be human guinea pigs.
Thanks for explaining.

No, what I am against is the illegal mandate of the Covid vaccine which caused me and my wife to lose our jobs. The mandate violated the law. I have gone over the law in detail on this forum and shown clearly and without any doubt that it was a violation of the law. That is what I am against, illegally mandating experimental vaccines.
Ok, understood,

Of course, please stop ascribing to me things that are not true. I am not a "supporter" of Trump though I may vote for him as is my right as a citizen of the US. I also pray for him. Neither makes me a "supporter".

Also I am not "anti vaxx" which I consider to be an insult as I am a scientist.
My apologies. I'll do my best to avoid making those mistakes in the future.
 

ZNP

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I should probably clarify something as several people keep trying to paint me as a Trump supporter.

I went to six Stop the Steal rallies. These were not Trump rallies. We had people of both political parties as well as people like myself who did not consider themselves political. Election integrity should not be considered a political issue, it should be considered something that all Americans agree on. Also it should not be seen as favoring Trump. The goal is that all legal votes be counted correctly. That is it.

There have been very many Trump rallies, I have not gone to any, neither have I gone to any rallies for Hillary, Biden or Harris. I am not a supporter of politicians. I believe Paul's word "lay hands quickly on no man". My posts which are considered "pro Trump" are really "anti corruption, anti fraud". Anyone who does not have TDS could see that.

I find humor better than becoming exasperated, and yes I have mocked Biden quite a bit. But that is because the Lord said "He would have them in derision". You don't get to mock the Lord and then complain about believers holding you in derision.
 

cv5

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BREAKING: Sources inside RFK Jr's inner circle have told Alex Jones that RFK Jr will DROP OUT and ENDORSE TRUMP this Friday in Los Angeles

THIS IS GAME CHANGING & EARTH SHATTERING!

"I was able to confirm about an hour ago that RFK junior is going to be endorsing President ago that RFK junior is going to be endorsing President" -
@RealAlexJones


"I also had sources very close to his campaign high up that had told me that he had been gunning up that had told me that he had been gunning the NIH or even the attorney general slot."
 

ZNP

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The record shows that President Biden asked Congress for additional funds for more agents, technology, and resources. President Biden also supported and said he would sign the immigration reform bill developed by Sen. Lankford (R-OK), but the Republican House refused to allow it to come up for a vote under orders from Trump.

So the record doesn't match your claim.
That is true, but the reason they wanted the money and agents was to process illegals faster and distribute them around the country so yes, this fully supports the claim.
 

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BREAKING: Sources inside RFK Jr's inner circle have told Alex Jones that RFK Jr will DROP OUT and ENDORSE TRUMP this Friday in Los Angeles

THIS IS GAME CHANGING & EARTH SHATTERING!

"I was able to confirm about an hour ago that RFK junior is going to be endorsing President ago that RFK junior is going to be endorsing President" -
@RealAlexJones


"I also had sources very close to his campaign high up that had told me that he had been gunning up that had told me that he had been gunning the NIH or even the attorney general slot."
Whoa, RFK is more popular than Harris, and that is both dead and alive!
 

JayBird

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That is true, but the reason they wanted the money and agents was to process illegals faster and distribute them around the country so yes, this fully supports the claim.
Source or citation for this claim?
 

ZNP

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Source or citation for this claim?
Bannon's warroom pandemic did extensive analysis on this, I heard it there.

If you are interested go to warroom.org they keep all the shows and they will break down videos by topic. All you need to know is the date of this vote and you can be sure in the week prior to it they had a number of elected officials on the show doing the analysis.
 

cv5

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DEI nuke nuttery. Whats next? Rainbow pained warheads?
@amuse
DIE: The Biden-Harris administration appointed Sneha Nair special assistant at the National Nuclear Security Administration. Nair believes in eradicating "White supremacy" in the nuclear field as well as "queering nuclear weapons" as part of a diversity, equity and inclusion push she believes is essential for deterring threats to nuclear energy facilities in the U.S.
 

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Of course it's not true. You seriously believe President Biden and Vice President Harris are actively engaging in human trafficking?

Are you a Q-anon follower or something?
You're definitely a Blue-Anon follower. With every comment the mask slips a little bit more.
 

JayBird

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Bannon's warroom pandemic did extensive analysis on this, I heard it there.
Did they cite a specific policy, EO, regulation, or other material?

If you are interested go to warroom.org they keep all the shows and they will break down videos by topic. All you need to know is the date of this vote and you can be sure in the week prior to it they had a number of elected officials on the show doing the analysis.
Sorry, but the claims don't match up with the actual funding requests or President Biden's subsequent actions, namely closing the border, and negotiating on and supporting the immigration reform bill.

But if you have more info, I'll certainly look at it.
 

NightTwister

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Of course it's not true. You seriously believe President Biden and Vice President Harris are actively engaging in human trafficking?
Between 2019 and 2023, more than 32,000 unaccompanied minors failed to show up for their immigration court hearings, and ICE was “not able to account” for all of their locations, according to a report from the ICE inspector general’s office. Border Czar Kamala Harris is responsible for this.
 

NightTwister

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Sorry, I'm not following. You seemed to agree that President Biden and Vice President Harris are actually engaging in human trafficking. Is that what you really believe?


That's a link to buy a book. What in the book are you referring to?


Same thing.


That's a movie.
Based on a true story.
 

JayBird

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Between 2019 and 2023, more than 32,000 unaccompanied minors failed to show up for their immigration court hearings, and ICE was “not able to account” for all of their locations, according to a report from the ICE inspector general’s office. Border Czar Kamala Harris is responsible for this.
How is Harris responsible for the UCs that didn't appear in 2019-2020, during the Trump administration?