A critical look at Harris

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On Tuesday, it was announced that Presidential candidate Kamala Harris would be supporting President Joe Biden’s tax proposals for 2025, which include a 44.6% capital gains rate and a 25% tax on unrealized gains.

Having used up all of the rest of the batshit, insane, counterintuitive economic dirty tricks left in the "we'll literally do anything but cut spending" bag, the Biden administration began pushing this tax idea in April 2024 when I first wrote about it. Unrealized gains taxation could be the most destructive idea for our country since prohibition, I joked at the time.

As part of its budget proposal for the 2025 fiscal year, the Biden administration was trying to raise an addition $4.3 trillion over 10 years in the worst way possible: imposing a minimum tax equal to 25 percent of a taxpayer’s taxable income and unrealized capital gains less the sum of their regular tax, for taxpayers with wealth over $100 million.
 

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JUST IN: 🇺🇸 Kamala Harris backs President Biden's 44.6% capital gains tax proposal, the highest in history.

The proposal also includes a 25% tax on unrealized gains for high-net-worth individuals.
Taxing unrealized capital gains will destroy the investment world.

Question: Are they also going to tax unrealized capital losses (in other words can you use them to wipe out your unrealized gains, or do they only tax gains and ignore losses?

The answer doesn't matter. If they aren't going to count losses it will force everyone to sell their losses at the end of the year causing the stock market to tank even more. If they count both then our tax revenue will plummet because they will force a flight of capital from the stock market. One of the problems of a stock market crash is there is also a crash in tax revenue.

Is this going to include houses? The idea would destroy the housing market.
 

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Taxing unrealized capital gains will destroy the investment world.

Question: Are they also going to tax unrealized capital losses (in other words can you use them to wipe out your unrealized gains, or do they only tax gains and ignore losses?

The answer doesn't matter. If they aren't going to count losses it will force everyone to sell their losses at the end of the year causing the stock market to tank even more. If they count both then our tax revenue will plummet because they will force a flight of capital from the stock market. One of the problems of a stock market crash is there is also a crash in tax revenue.

Is this going to include houses? The idea would destroy the housing market.
Destroy you say? Yes, that's the idea.
 

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Destroy you say? Yes, that's the idea.
Capital gains tax rate is just a complicated word for theft.

For example, suppose you bought 1 ounce of gold in 1970 for $40 and now today you sell it at $2,540. They would say that $2,500 was a capital gain, but that is baloney, it was inflation. They will then take 15% or $375. But once they do that can you buy another ounce of gold? No. So what do they mean "capital gain" there was no gain, it was simply inflation. Same thing with a house. You buy a house for 100k and when you sell it you sell it for 300k. But is that really a capital gain? They will take $30k as a "capital gain" and you will now have 270k, but you can't buy a better house with that, on the contrary you would get a poorer house. So where was the "capital gain"?

If you don't take into account inflation, then it isn't really a capital gain, it is simply "even that which you do have will be taken away from you".
 

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I see. I don't think the US is Jacob. I believe the new covenant deals with individuals, and not nations.
Our worldview shapes our outlook, and most are expecting the darby-type rapture, but I really don't have any emotional connections to any certain doctrine. It isn't below me to question the common understanding of a so-called Zionist movement either. That is, until I encounter a 'bridge-out' hazard sign, I'm currently following this road to see where it goes.
 

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...and most are expecting the darby-type rapture...
The doctrine of the Resurrection/Rapture did NOT originate with John Nelson Darby. It was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who first revealed this to us. Darby did bring this to light, but others also did so. And you should also be expecting the Rapture. All Christians should.

Regarding the Zionist Movement, it originated in Europe with Theodor Herzl, an Austro-Hungarian political activist in the late 19th century. Even though this movement ignored the Messiah, it was a part of God's plan for the establishment of the nation-state of Israel in Palestine in 1948. But Jerusalem is the key to Bible prophecy and Christ returns to Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives.
 

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Our worldview shapes our outlook, and most are expecting the darby-type rapture, but I really don't have any emotional connections to any certain doctrine. It isn't below me to question the common understanding of a so-called Zionist movement either. That is, until I encounter a 'bridge-out' hazard sign, I'm currently following this road to see where it goes.
As well you should. God leads...we follow. The reason I believe as I do is because the old covenant was between God and Israel. The new covenant is between God and Christ. Individuals are simply the beneficiaries. There is no longer Jew or Greek in the kingdom of God.
 

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Hey @Cameron143

Well, I'm not sure why you would think it fair that I answer your questions while you won't answer mine. I asked you to provide support that her economic plan that is what you brought up as being some sort of Communist Manifest in its sourcing. If you're not willing to answer my questions, why do you feel that I should answer yours?

Yes, I know her position on abortion and probably anyone with ears knows her position on abortion. She is for allowing anyone who wants an abortion to obtain one legally. Now, you're likely against that, but then you've got nobody to vote for. Because even your guy has now softened his supposed past stance on abortion.

I do not know her position on taxes at all. I believe as a kind of 'gotcha' that there were some stories floating around that she was for also making tip wages untaxed, but I haven't heard much about it since then. Other than that, no, I don't know her position on taxes. I know the other guys and I didn't like it then and I don't like it any more now.

I can't say as I do know her position on immigration, illegal or otherwise.

I believe that she does support Israel. As do I. Her husband is Jewish after all.

I believe she is behind some parts of the green new deal, but no, I don't know her position about the agenda as a whole.

I'm pretty sure, if there were such a thing, that she would be against it. I know that I am.

I don't have any school age children, but I have always been for school choice. I don't know her position on it.

I don't think she had anything to do with needles for addicts, but if so, I'd need some specifics on the program and her stated position on it. And I'd be happy to read anything that you have to offer.

I don't believe that a child should be mutilated in any surgery. But our world has moved wholly into the immoral sexual attitudes and now the gender issues of not knowing whether a particular individual feels like they are something other than what they were born to be, as regards gender. But that isn't a political issue my friend. It's a sin issue. The world is wallowing more and more each passing generation into wickedness and sin and the pain and anger and fear and angst that such lifestyles bring to the table.

Now, do you get it that God already tried that? That making an entire nation of people live under His law, thing. You are aware that God has already made an attempt at that, right? You do know the old covenant history of God's people... right? He raised up a nation of people and gave unto them His righteous law to live by... and they failed miserably. Do you really think that you're going to go out into the world and stop all of this wickedness from coming upon the earth that your God has already told you is coming?

No! You're not. However, if you want to do the work for which God has prepared for you to do since the foundations of the world were established, you'll take all of this pent up anger and hostility and mix it with a really, really good helping of mercy and compassion and go out there and tell all these people that are doing all of these wicked things about Jesus. Friend, if you will just bring them to Jesus, he and the Holy Spirit will take care of that person's sin. It doesn't matter what the law of the land is. God's people don't have to live by it in any way that would break the commands of God. And the wicked will do what the wicked will do, my friend.

Tell them about Jesus.

But as for the issues that you've brought to the table here, no, I still see VP Harris as the better choice to run the nation for the next four years over any of the contenders. However, I understand the role and responsibility of being the President of the United States. That's one of the major reasons that I would vote for VP Harris. She understands and appreciates the limits of what the job entails. The other guy seems to want to hold the position like Vladimir Putin and Kim Un and Chi of China.

I'm going with the one that seems to understand how our government works and is able, therefore, to work within those confines and get things done.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted
I have a very good question for you.
How do you feel about these Democrats that can't shut their mouths about "SAVING DEMOCRACY" from the big bad Trump (who BTW has been chosen through the democratic process 100%) , taking that democracy that they claim to be protecting, out back and shooting it in the head 5 times, in order to install this person Kamala, who has tried to run democratically and was embarrassed by not getting a single vote and having to drop out first after Tulsi destroyed her in the primary debate? How do you square this in your mind?

These liars that scream "DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY", hypocritically, spitting in the faces of the people and choosing a nominee that no one has ever liked at all. Now overnight the democrat arm called the mainstream media is trying HARD to rewrite facts of resent history that we can remember and that we have TONS of video evidence of, to act like she is the 2nd coming and has always been so loved and competent.

How do you stand behind this blatant hypocrisy unfolding right in front of your eyeballs? How do you feel about this? BTW this is also out of the Marxist/Communist playbook as well. So your suggestion that because she's not trying to push every point of the communist manifesto at the same time, therefore isn't pushing communism is pretty intellectually dishonest and/or just clothed in willing ignorance. How do you just ignore this?
 

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Hey @Jimbone

Thanks for your encouragement. However, I'm having a hard time deciphering 'what' the question is.
How do you feel about these Democrats that can't shut their mouths about "SAVING DEMOCRACY" from the big bad Trump (who BTW has been chosen through the democratic process 100%) , taking that democracy that they claim to be protecting, out back and shooting it in the head 5 times, in order to install this person Kamala, who has tried to run democratically and was embarrassed by not getting a single vote and having to drop out first after Tulsi destroyed her in the primary debate? How do you square this in your mind?
I see two questions there. Of course, the answer to both is that your description isn't accurate as to what's happening in the reality of life as we live it here on the earth. I haven't really noticed that Democrats can't shut their mouths about "SAVING DEMOCRACY" from the big bad Trump and taking that democracy out and shooting it in the head five times. Where exactly did you get that story from? From where I sit here in S.C. I haven't seen any sort of phenomenon that I would account as shooting democracy in the head five times. What exactly are you inferring in that? What did the Democratic party do that you see as shooting democracy in the head five times?

VP Harris has been duly voted in by the electors of the DNC as the rightful leader of their campaign. I really don't get why everybody thinks that it's some big, bad no-no that Pres. Biden stepped out of the race when he did. It was before the DNC had officially declared him their candidate. It was with careful and deliberate consideration and I'm sure was fully vetted as to its legality by everyone involved. How was that transfer of candidate handled that you think it is so wrong? And it really doesn't matter, that maybe Mrs. Pelosi twisted his arm, so to speak. For the Democratic party, it seemed at the time to be the right thing to do and as far as I'm aware the transfer was handled in a perfectly reasonable way.

I honestly don't understand this argument that the transfer was somehow unfair or illegal or wrong in some way. It has always been the responsibility of the DNC to officially declare who is running for the Democratic ticket and that's exactly what is being done this week. Where is the foul, my friend?

As far as any previous debates, those aren't relevant to this time in the reality of life upon the planet. What does it matter that at one point in time VP Harris dropped out of a previous race. You are aware that the GOP contender dropped out of a previous race rather early also,... right?

2000: Trump enters the presidential race as a Reform Party candidate and receives more than 15,000 votes in the party's California primary.

Should we not allow him to run because he dropped out of a race previously as you seem to be wanting to claim about VP Harris?

These liars that scream "DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY", hypocritically, spitting in the faces of the people and choosing a nominee that no one has ever liked at all. Now overnight the democrat arm called the mainstream media is trying HARD to rewrite facts of resent history that we can remember and that we have TONS of video evidence of, to act like she is the 2nd coming and has always been so loved and competent.
I really don't see that anything in that entire paragraph is really based on the truth of the reality that is life upon the planet. What you're doing seems to be just writing a desperate sounding appeal that's just a fairytale. Some boogeyman story that just isn't true, but it sure sounds scary to you... and you hope everyone that you tell it to.

Well, I'm sorry but I don't buy into any of that. Yes, we are considered a democracy and so for a political party of the United States to clamor "Democracy, Democracy, Democracy', is an appeal to our nation's very founding. That they are liars is just your personal spin to add weight to your claim. While it may or may not be true that a lot of people may not have like her for some reaons or other; I rather imagine the criminals she put behind bars in California aren't fond of her, the wild and baseless claim that nobody like her just makes your appeal seem even more desperate.

How do you stand behind this blatant hypocrisy unfolding right in front of your eyeballs? How do you feel about this? BTW this is also out of the Marxist/Communist playbook as well. So your suggestion that because she's not trying to push every point of the communist manifesto at the same time, therefore isn't pushing communism is pretty intellectually dishonest and/or just clothed in willing ignorance. How do you just ignore this?
Well, as I think I've been clear to explain, I don't see the hypocrisy. Oh, oh oh oh it's out of the Marxist/Communist playbook. LOL!! Now I'm really scared because you've used the terrible boogeyman words 'Marxist and Communist'. Friend, I honestly don't think you have a clue what either of those terms denote as far as political strategies or practices. If you're looking at the democratic party and claiming that it represents some Marxist or Communist strategy, you don't have a clue, friend. I'm sorry, but you don't. Not a clue!

Tell me, if you can, what are the tenets of Marxism? What are the tenets of Communism? And how do you see any of those tenets fulfilled in what's happening in the Democratic party?

I did answer your question. Fair is fair.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted
 

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I honestly don't understand this argument that the transfer was somehow unfair or illegal or wrong in some way.
Well then you had better educate yourself about how people are nominated democratically.

"The presidential nominating process in the United States is one of the most complex, lengthy, and expensive in the world. Every four years, presidential candidates compete in a series of state contests during the winter and spring before the general election to gain their party’s nomination. At stake in each contest—either a primary or caucus—is a certain number of delegates, or individuals who represent their states at national party conventions. The candidate who accumulates the largest share of their party’s delegates during the months long process wins the nomination and a berth in the general election race."
The U.S. Presidential Nominating Process | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

But since Harris has never succeeded in a primary, and there were no competing candidates after Biden was pushed out, her "anointing" was totally illegal, and even Block Lives Matter objected to this undemocratic anointing. RFK Jr and Cornel West were simply shut out long ago to give Biden the full advantage, after which he was kicked out. So he deliberately messed with the democratic leadership by "nominating" Kamala (which was not supposed to happen since she had nothing to offer other than a silly cackle).

As to pretending that you know nothing about the bogus claim by the Democrats that they are "saving" democracy while Trump is "destroying" it, you are either simply lying like all Leftists do, or you have no clue about any of this and should not even be posting here. How come you are not in Chicago rooting for Kamala?
 

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Hey @Jimbone

Thanks for your encouragement. However, I'm having a hard time deciphering 'what' the question is.


I see two questions there. Of course, the answer to both is that your description isn't accurate as to what's happening in the reality of life as we live it here on the earth. I haven't really noticed that Democrats can't shut their mouths about "SAVING DEMOCRACY" from the big bad Trump and taking that democracy out and shooting it in the head five times. Where exactly did you get that story from? From where I sit here in S.C. I haven't seen any sort of phenomenon that I would account as shooting democracy in the head five times. What exactly are you inferring in that? What did the Democratic party do that you see as shooting democracy in the head five times?

VP Harris has been duly voted in by the electors of the DNC as the rightful leader of their campaign. I really don't get why everybody thinks that it's some big, bad no-no that Pres. Biden stepped out of the race when he did. It was before the DNC had officially declared him their candidate. It was with careful and deliberate consideration and I'm sure was fully vetted as to its legality by everyone involved. How was that transfer of candidate handled that you think it is so wrong? And it really doesn't matter, that maybe Mrs. Pelosi twisted his arm, so to speak. For the Democratic party, it seemed at the time to be the right thing to do and as far as I'm aware the transfer was handled in a perfectly reasonable way.

I honestly don't understand this argument that the transfer was somehow unfair or illegal or wrong in some way. It has always been the responsibility of the DNC to officially declare who is running for the Democratic ticket and that's exactly what is being done this week. Where is the foul, my friend?

As far as any previous debates, those aren't relevant to this time in the reality of life upon the planet. What does it matter that at one point in time VP Harris dropped out of a previous race. You are aware that the GOP contender dropped out of a previous race rather early also,... right?

2000: Trump enters the presidential race as a Reform Party candidate and receives more than 15,000 votes in the party's California primary.

Should we not allow him to run because he dropped out of a race previously as you seem to be wanting to claim about VP Harris?



I really don't see that anything in that entire paragraph is really based on the truth of the reality that is life upon the planet. What you're doing seems to be just writing a desperate sounding appeal that's just a fairytale. Some boogeyman story that just isn't true, but it sure sounds scary to you... and you hope everyone that you tell it to.

Well, I'm sorry but I don't buy into any of that. Yes, we are considered a democracy and so for a political party of the United States to clamor "Democracy, Democracy, Democracy', is an appeal to our nation's very founding. That they are liars is just your personal spin to add weight to your claim. While it may or may not be true that a lot of people may not have like her for some reaons or other; I rather imagine the criminals she put behind bars in California aren't fond of her, the wild and baseless claim that nobody like her just makes your appeal seem even more desperate.



Well, as I think I've been clear to explain, I don't see the hypocrisy. Oh, oh oh oh it's out of the Marxist/Communist playbook. LOL!! Now I'm really scared because you've used the terrible boogeyman words 'Marxist and Communist'. Friend, I honestly don't think you have a clue what either of those terms denote as far as political strategies or practices. If you're looking at the democratic party and claiming that it represents some Marxist or Communist strategy, you don't have a clue, friend. I'm sorry, but you don't. Not a clue!

Tell me, if you can, what are the tenets of Marxism? What are the tenets of Communism? And how do you see any of those tenets fulfilled in what's happening in the Democratic party?

I did answer your question. Fair is fair.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted
You're welcome. It's my pleasure.

So you can't answer how you can ignore the self proclaimed champions and defenders of democracy, setting it aside to install one of the most disliked politicians (according to her performance when she ran for president the legit way) completely outside the political process? You play so dumb and like you don't understand in the most polite way possible to avoid dealing with the blatant problem at all. I've got you figured out, you're nothing but a democrat propagandist unwilling to be honest, logical, or rational. Period. Don't worry I won't be wasting another second on you at all. You have a great day and thank you so much for your contribution.
 

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So you can't answer how you can ignore the self proclaimed champions and defenders of democracy, setting it aside to install one of the most disliked politicians (according to her performance when she ran for president the legit way) completely outside the political process? You play so dumb and like you don't understand in the most polite way possible to avoid dealing with the blatant problem at all. I've got you figured out, you're nothing but a democrat propagandist unwilling to be honest, logical, or rational. Period. Don't worry I won't be wasting another second on you at all. You have a great day and thank you so much for your contribution.

Hey @Jimbone
Uhhh, I did answer all of your questions. You think I'm playing so dumb. I tell you, you MAGAites are hard core projectionists.

Seriously, God bless you and vote wisely,
Ted
 

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Sure this looks bad, but don't forget Lockheed Martin is up 69% during Biden's term, so even though inflation is bad if you had bet on WW3 then you are still coming out a winner, though a pyrrhic victory.
Harris (ie Baldrick) has a cunning plan to deal with inflation

Baldrick: “I have a plan, sir.”
Blackadder: “Really, Baldrick? A cunning and subtle one?”
Baldrick: “Yes, sir.”
Blackadder: “As cunning as a fox who’s just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?”
 

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You're welcome. It's my pleasure.

So you can't answer how you can ignore the self proclaimed champions and defenders of democracy, setting it aside to install one of the most disliked politicians (according to her performance when she ran for president the legit way) completely outside the political process? You play so dumb and like you don't understand in the most polite way possible to avoid dealing with the blatant problem at all. I've got you figured out, you're nothing but a democrat propagandist unwilling to be honest, logical, or rational. Period. Don't worry I won't be wasting another second on you at all. You have a great day and thank you so much for your contribution.
Blackadder: “Give the likes of Baldrick [The Democrats in the primary] the vote and we’ll be back to cavorting druids, death by stoning and dung for dinner.”
 

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As well you should. God leads...we follow. The reason I believe as I do is because the old covenant was between God and Israel. The new covenant is between God and Christ. Individuals are simply the beneficiaries. There is no longer Jew or Greek in the kingdom of God.
There is a kingdom though, it is not just an ideal, even if demarcations of it are difficult to define.
 

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There is a kingdom though, it is not just an ideal, even if demarcations of it are difficult to define.
It's a very real and very distinguishable kingdom that exists within the kingdoms of this world. It's borders are determined by belief and its inhabitants are demarcated by an allegiance to its King.
 

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Harris was already on the ballot as VP.

Trump incited an insurrection and continues to undermine democracy with his baseless Big Lie, which the majority of people in this thread believe despite all evidence to the contrary.

That's a legitimate concern. It is not just a little bit cultic.
Cuz election fraud.....

George on X: "BREAKING: The Nevada Supreme Court just ruled against Democrats by DECLINING to block Election Officials from withholding certification of the results in the event of election fraud This means if fraud is discovered in the 2024 election, officials can now halt certification https://t.co/ALm6seLH9O" / X