Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

[Mem]

I know right, her economic policy advisors are two former executives from Black Rock.

I guess she had no choice because Karl Marx is dead!

Businesses and government working together is to 'set' prices is a perverted system far removed from how capitalism reallly works.

 

[Cameron143]

I provided a video proving my claim, at this point you are choosing to be willfully ignorant to the truth.

We don’t have to agree or have the same opinions in order to talk about reality.

When someone refuses to address reality and talk openly about it then they have ended the discussion.

I can’t force you to have a conversation you don’t wish to.

Have a nice week.

This is ridiculous. Trump would never send in the regular military into cities. Using the military on the border is not a bad idea, but hasn't been done. National Guard troops were harmed by illegal immigrants entering the country. You OK with this?

 

[JayBird]

Eliminating the Department of Education...federal government control of education has been an abysmal failure. Putting the states back in charge will improve education by spending money more wisely and providing better education through choice. Head Start and other programs can be kept or halted based on whether they promote local education goals or not.

You're forgetting why the DoE was created in the first place. Prior to then, we had massive gaps in public education from state to state, with some states' education systems being truly horrible and under-funded. Since an educated population is good for America, a federal agency was created to help alleviate those disparities.

Deploying military for law enforcement...how would you deal with large groups of protesters who begin looting and destroying businesses and hurting and killing citizens? Should we continue to allow cities to burn and law breakers to offend with impunity?

First of all, no cities have been burned down. Second, state and local officials typically handle unrest and violence on their own, with the national guard only being needed in the most extreme circumstances.

But I thought you didn't like the heavy hand of federal government, and preferred local control?

[Reducing LGBTQ to second class...nothing in Project 2025 does this. This is propaganda. Trump, if anything, supports equal treatment of this community. Do some research.

Yes it does. It calls for the Trump administration to ignore court rulings that barred discrimination against LGBTQs in the workplace and it specifically laments any efforts at "LGBTQ equity".

Denying climate change...more propaganda. Conservatives aren't against looking into climate change.

It calls for the elimination of all clean energy programs and incentives in the federal government, it calls for the US to leave any and all international agreements to combat climate change, it calls for federal agencies to stop monitoring greenhouse gasses, it calls for the elimination of federal programs that assess the social cost of greenhouse gasses and climate change.

Eliminating the Dept of HS...this department was added after 911. Supposedly, the goal was to coordinate the exchange of information from agency to agency. This hasn't happened...ie Trump assassination attempt. Also, there have been abuses where Americans have been spied on...ie Trump campaign. It can go. Agencies are run better when they are held directly responsible to congressional oversize.
Gutting the EPA...another government agency that has unelected officials implementing rules that Congress didn't approve and are unanswerable to the people. Good in theory, but has been detrimental in practice. Should be gutted and further restricted.
Immigration raids...why should some states not administer federal laws for immigration? Do you support lawlessness? Should we ignore federal laws like is being done now? Is this not the real cause of the division?
Putting migrants into camps...how would deal with illegal immigrants? Maybe you could start by calling them what they actually are...illegals. Conservatives see the need for legal immigration, but allowing millions of unvetted individuals into the country is a recipe for disaster on a number of levels.
Firing civil servants...should be done on a case by case basis based on performance. I do find it interesting that you have no problem with over 90% of them being Democrats. Do you believe it should be equal? What if over 90% were Republicans? Would that make a difference to you?
Putting the DOJ under executive control...it already is. This let's me know that you are merely putting forth liberal talking points. Just a little bit of research would have revealed this to you.

Thanks for acknowledging that you agree with those aspects of Project 2025,

Allowing child labor...more propaganda. No conservative is for child labor. You stopped even trying to be convincing.

Project 2025 calls for the elimination/alteration of the portions of the Fair Labor Standards Act that prohibit children from working in hazardous jobs.

You're a liberal. Just own it. You are for killing babies and policies that pervert the law of God and harm people. You choose to allow some to act illegally and care less about those who simply want to protect themselves and their property.

Please find a way to converse without personal attacks.

 

[ZNP]

Absolutely ridiculous, absurd “concern”.

And quite frankly, I don’t believe you have this absurd concern.

It is stunning to realize someone who portrays themself as a Christian considers a nationwide ban on abortion as their biggest concern. This proves that just because someone calls themselves a Christian there is no clear cut conclusion about what that means.

 

[Cameron143]

You're forgetting why the DoE was created in the first place. Prior to then, we had massive gaps in public education from state to state, with some states' education systems being truly horrible and under-funded. Since an educated population is good for America, a federal agency was created to help alleviate those disparities.


First of all, no cities have been burned down. Second, state and local officials typically handle unrest and violence on their own, with the national guard only being needed in the most extreme circumstances.

But I thought you didn't like the heavy hand of federal government, and preferred local control?


Yes it does. It calls for the Trump administration to ignore court rulings that barred discrimination against LGBTQs in the workplace and it specifically laments any efforts at "LGBTQ equity".


It calls for the elimination of all clean energy programs and incentives in the federal government, it calls for the US to leave any and all international agreements to combat climate change, it calls for federal agencies to stop monitoring greenhouse gasses, it calls for the elimination of federal programs that assess the social cost of greenhouse gasses and climate change.


Thanks for acknowledging that you agree with those aspects of Project 2025,


Project 2025 calls for the elimination/alteration of the portions of the Fair Labor Standards Act that prohibit children from working in hazardous jobs.


Please find a way to converse without personal attacks.

You misrepresent the report. I shared with you what was in it and what Trump should do. You also misrepresented me. Just because I prefer local control doesn't mean I don't want fellow Americans to be protected when local authorities fail to live up to their obligations. You are also well aware that cities were allowed to be looted and burned across this nation and local law enforcement was ordered to stand down and allow it.
Further, just because a department of government served a past good purpose doesn't mean it is doing so currently. The department of education is one of many that no longer serve the public good. They serve union members and government control and no longer serve students. This is why it should be done away with.
What you call insults I call description. If I classified you unjustly, I'll evaluate what you share and apologize if I was wrong. Please share with me what I posted that was inaccurate.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I’m talking about the protest in Washington. The one wear Trump came out and held up a Upside down Bible.

If you didn't know, that's been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-hold-bible-upside-down/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/...he-bible-upside-down-at-lafayette-square.html

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...den-wrong-about-donald-trump-holding-bible-u/

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It is stunning to realize someone who portrays themself as a Christian considers a nationwide ban on abortion as their biggest concern. This proves that just because someone calls themselves a Christian there is no clear cut conclusion about what that means.

But the Bible makes a clear cut conclusion.

 

[JayBird]

You misrepresent the report. I shared with you what was in it and what Trump should do. You also misrepresented me. Just because I prefer local control doesn't mean I don't want fellow Americans to be protected when local authorities fail to live up to their obligations.

If you're going to level accusations against people, you should provide evidence to back them up.

You are also well aware that cities were allowed to be looted and burned across this nation and local law enforcement was ordered to stand down and allow it.

They were? Citation please.

Further, just because a department of government served a past good purpose doesn't mean it is doing so currently. The department of education is one of many that no longer serve the public good. They serve union members and government control and no longer serve students. This is why it should be done away with.

We'll just have to disagree on that.

What you call insults I call description. If I classified you unjustly, I'll evaluate what you share and apologize if I was wrong. Please share with me what I posted that was inaccurate.

There's no need to say things like "You are for killing babies and policies that pervert the law of God and harm people. You choose to allow some to act illegally and care less about those who simply want to protect themselves and their property."

That does nothing but create division. We can disagree on some things without resorting to inflammatory rhetoric.

 

[Tamarisk]

If you didn't know, that's been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-hold-bible-upside-down/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/...he-bible-upside-down-at-lafayette-square.html

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...den-wrong-about-donald-trump-holding-bible-u/

I stand corrected. However he did have law enforcement clear out peaceful protests in order to get the photo opportunity and did try and use the US Military but Bill Bar refused to. And this is why they plan on staffing only loyalists this time.

 

[Cameron143]

If you're going to level accusations against people, you should provide evidence to back them up.


They were? Citation please.


We'll just have to disagree on that.


There's no need to say things like "You are for killing babies and policies that pervert the law of God and harm people. You choose to allow some to act illegally and care less about those who simply want to protect themselves and their property."

That does nothing but create division. We can disagree on some things without resorting to inflammatory rhetoric.

People who won't own their positions aren't credible. Democrats are for killing unborn babies and transgender surgery for children. If you vote for them knowing this, you voted for these things coming to pass. The very weakest among us who everyone should be protecting, YOU have enabled their harm. YOU are responsible for what happens to these children. So the only question is...do you vote for Democrats? If you do, own it.
Such positions, in themselves, cause division. There are things that can be disagreed upon, and there are things that when disagreed upon should cause division. Life and its protection both before and after birth, and the care of children shouldn't even be a disagreement between Christians. We might disagree on the best ways to promote life or raise children, but that life is sacred and children should be protected is well established in the Bible.

 

[ZNP]

People who won't own their positions aren't credible. Democrats are for killing unborn babies and transgender surgery for children. If you vote for them knowing this, you voted for these things coming to pass. The very weakest among us who everyone should be protecting, YOU have enabled their harm. YOU are responsible for what happens to these children. So the only question is...do you vote for Democrats? If you do, own it.
Such positions, in themselves, cause division. There are things that can be disagreed upon, and there are things that when disagreed upon should cause division. Life and its protection both before and after birth, and the care of children shouldn't even be a disagreement between Christians. We might disagree on the best ways to promote life or raise children, but that life is sacred and children should be protected is well established in the Bible.

Yes, a very touching nod to that in Chicago by dying the river red. It looked like a river of blood to show how much they stand for abortion. Looking at that touched my heart and turned it cold.

 

[JayBird]

People who won't own their positions aren't credible. Democrats are for killing unborn babies and transgender surgery for children. If you vote for them knowing this, you voted for these things coming to pass. The very weakest among us who everyone should be protecting, YOU have enabled their harm. YOU are responsible for what happens to these children. So the only question is...do you vote for Democrats? If you do, own it.
Such positions, in themselves, cause division. There are things that can be disagreed upon, and there are things that when disagreed upon should cause division. Life and its protection both before and after birth, and the care of children shouldn't even be a disagreement between Christians. We might disagree on the best ways to promote life or raise children, but that life is sacred and children should be protected is well established in the Bible.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

[Cameron143]

Thanks for your opinions.

Not my opinion. What I shared is what the Bible teaches. You profess to be a Christian yet openly espouse views contrary to Christianity and don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit your convictions. I described you correctly.

 

[JayBird]

Not my opinion. What I shared is what the Bible teaches. You profess to be a Christian yet openly espouse views contrary to Christianity and don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit your convictions. I described you correctly.

This is precisely the sort of thing that ended our church.

Some folks not only didn't tolerate people with different experiences and views, they took that next step and leveled all sorts of terrible accusations against them, including saying they weren't real Christians (and worse).

I humbly suggest you pray and God gives you the wisdom and strength to be around people who are different than you,

 

[Cameron143]

This is precisely the sort of thing that ended our church.

Some folks not only didn't tolerate people with different experiences and views, they took that next step and leveled all sorts of terrible accusations against them, including saying they weren't real Christians (and worse).

I humbly suggest you pray and God gives you the wisdom and strength to be around people who are different than you,

Can't really speak to why your church divided, but it was more than likely over bad doctrine and practices. Lots of churches are splitting up because many in churches have adopted wrong doctrine and practices. Why would a Christian remain in a church that openly espouses and practices things contrary to the Bible? If the church I belonged to supported abortion and transgender surgery I would leave. If they allowed homosexuals to be in positions of authority I would leave. Why? Because the church has clearly become apostate.
None of that has anything to do with being around people who are different from me. I quite imagine before I was saved I was difficult to be around. Even after being saved, I imagine I was difficult to be around. And people, at worst, tolerated me, and, at best, loved me just as I was. I live at peace with most everyone, and particularly, with those of the faith. But you profess to be a Christian and have no qualms with supporting positions that you know are against biblical teaching. Yet I didn't separate myself from you. I have labored on your behalf to show you your error. I didn't do that for my sake. It's far easier to just let things slide. So if I don't use my prayers on myself but rather for you I hope you won't be disappointed. I have attempted to keep the unity of the faith. You insist that our common faith is false. Who is actually divisive?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The BLM protest that Trump wanted to use the military against in his lady term was peaceful.

That's just a flat out lie. It was the most expensive riot in the country's history.( Property damage estimates resulting from arson, vandalism and looting ranged from $1 to $2 billion, eclipsing the highest inflation adjusted totals for the 1992 Los Angeles riots)
A police station was set on fire with people still inside. Businesses were burned flat to the ground. I saw a lady on the news weeping because the buses weren't running, but even if they were she said the grocery store in her area was burned down and she had no where to buy food.
David Dorn was murdered in cold blood and bled to death in the street live on Facebook.
Lorenzo Anderson died when police were denied entry to CHAD. 18 people were murdered in the riots besides these two. They were not peaceful protests!!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is precisely the sort of thing that ended our church.

Some folks not only didn't tolerate people with different experiences and views, they took that next step and leveled all sorts of terrible accusations against them, including saying they weren't real Christians (and worse).

I humbly suggest you pray and God gives you the wisdom and strength to be around people who are different than you,

But the Bible never supports the idea of tolerance of sin. Yes, Jesus was a friend of sinners, but He never left them stuck in sin. He said "go and sin no more". We can't let people think they can continually live a sinful life and still make heaven. If we love people, then we will tell them the truth. But it's not only what we tell them, it's how we tell them, with love.

 

[loveme1]

Fear and division.. the stuff politicians thrive on.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

It was the most expensive riot in the country's history.( Property damage estimates resulting from arson, vandalism and looting ranged from $1 to $2 billion, eclipsing the highest inflation adjusted totals for the 1992 Los Angeles riots)
A police station was set on fire with people still inside. Businesses were burned flat to the ground. I saw a lady on the news weeping because the buses weren't running, but even if they were she said the grocery store in her area was burned down and she had no where to buy food.
David Dorn was murdered in cold blood and bled to death in the street live on Facebook.
Lorenzo Anderson died when police were denied entry to CHAD. 18 people were murdered in the riots besides these two. They were not peaceful protests!!

I think there was someone peaceful that used a fire extinguisher to put out a dumpster fire that some were trying to peacefully push into a gas station...Kenosha Wisconsin.

In a nearby city there were a lot of BLM socialist middle aged and ladies who decided to not use the pile of bricks delivered to main street . I was told that they wanted free medical care, so they stood in front of moving buses and cars.
They mainly blocked traffic so people couldn't go back to work after the lock down. So in all fairness, it was a very peaceful socialist revolution.

 

[JayBird]

Can't really speak to why your church divided,

Then don't please.