Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ResidentAlien]

Queer people have always been a part of humanity. And if we truly believe in freedom and liberty, then we have to allow LGBTQs the freedom to live as they see fit, as long as they're not breaking laws or violating anyone else's rights.

I don't like the KKK or other white supremacist groups, but they have the freedom to believe and live however they like, as long as they stay within the law.

That's the deal we make in the US. Freedom sometimes means people you don't like or agree with can do and live as they like,

I agree. What I see are a lot of people who don't want to take responsibility for raising their own children; they want the nanny state to do it all for them. The expect lawmakers to change all the laws they don't like to protect their own kids from the evils of the world. But there will always be evil in the world, and it's not the state's job to eradicate evil. It's the parents' job to raise their children and teach them right from wrong regardless of the environment. You don't change the people or the culture through legislation, but by winning over their hearts and minds.

 

[ZNP]

Yep, and what changed? Trump became a leader in the Republican Party and started calling every election rigged. The elections didn't change, and we didn't suddenly start conducting them differently.

It was that the GOP adopted Trump's mantra of "if we don't win, the election was rigged".


Honestly, I'm kinda getting tired of repeating this.....lots and lots of audits in several states were done, some by Trump-picked entities.

If all the swing states that decided the election conducted audits and confirmed the results, why would we need a national one?

you are repeating it because you ignore what we say and no one is buying that the audits we are asking for have been done.

 

[ZNP]

Yep, and what changed? Trump became a leader in the Republican Party and started calling every election rigged. The elections didn't change, and we didn't suddenly start conducting them differently.

It was that the GOP adopted Trump's mantra of "if we don't win, the election was rigged".


Honestly, I'm kinda getting tired of repeating this.....lots and lots of audits in several states were done, some by Trump-picked entities.

If all the swing states that decided the election conducted audits and confirmed the results, why would we need a national one?

We have threads that have been posting information on this for the last four years. If you want anyone to listen to you then post a link from a credible source. No one cares what CNN or MSNBC says, they have destroyed their credibility.

If you can find something that Steve Bannon posted from Warroom Pandemic and he has covered this topic of election audits extensively then I can assure you people on this thread will listen to that.

 

[ZNP]

Yep, and what changed? Trump became a leader in the Republican Party and started calling every election rigged. The elections didn't change, and we didn't suddenly start conducting them differently.

It was that the GOP adopted Trump's mantra of "if we don't win, the election was rigged".


Honestly, I'm kinda getting tired of repeating this.....lots and lots of audits in several states were done, some by Trump-picked entities.

If all the swing states that decided the election conducted audits and confirmed the results, why would we need a national one?

repeat...

 

[HeIsHere]

Freedom sometimes means people you don't like or agree with can do and live as they like,

That would depend on how one defines freedom?

 

[SonJudgment]

It seems like you're saying it's either Trump is elected and the entire country becomes Christian, or we have to have a civil war and split into two.

Needless to say, I don't agree with that at all. Like I said, I have no problem living alongside people who are different than me. In fact, I prefer it over living in a monocultural society where everyone is the same.

There won't be a civil war. Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote without twisting it.

 

[JayBird]

I agree. What I see are a lot of people who don't want to take responsibility for raising their own children; they want the nanny state to do it all for them. The expect lawmakers to change all the laws they don't like to protect their own kids from the evils of the world. But there will always be evil in the world, and it's not the state's job to eradicate evil. It's the parents' job to raise their children and teach them right from wrong regardless of the environment. You don't change the people or the culture through legislation, but by winning over their hearts and minds.

Excellent post!

 

[JayBird]

you are repeating it because you ignore what we say and no one is buying that the audits we are asking for have been done.

Are you actually saying that you don't believe any audits were conducted after the 2020 election?

If you can find something that Steve Bannon posted from Warroom Pandemic and he has covered this topic of election audits extensively then I can assure you people on this thread will listen to that.

Well that's just blind tribalism. If you want to know if any state conducted a post-election audit, all you have to do is go to their Secretary of State website and look.

If your approach really is that you will only accept what S. Bannon says, then I'll just thank you for your time and move on.

 

[JayBird]

That would depend on how one defines freedom?

I suppose so.

 

[JayBird]

There won't be a civil war. Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote without twisting it.

My apologies. Can you please then walk me through the scenario you're talking about?

 

[SonJudgment]

My apologies. Can you please then walk me through the scenario you're talking about?

Well I wrote three pretty simple sentences, one of which is in response to your attempted mischaracterization prior to that, and so the remaining two are all you need to read then on your moved goalposts. Do you just want me to copy paste them?

Okay here you go.

No, I think you're purposefully mischaracterizing what I said. National divorce theory isn't the most ideal plan, the most ideal plan would be to get Trump back in office and for the wicked to repent of course. In lieu of that however, then national divorce becomes preferable to continuing the grinding misrule of an illegitimate regime or the neccessity of a revolution.

 

[ZNP]

Are you actually saying that you don't believe any audits were conducted after the 2020 election?


Well that's just blind tribalism. If you want to know if any state conducted a post-election audit, all you have to do is go to their Secretary of State website and look.

If your approach really is that you will only accept what S. Bannon says, then I'll just thank you for your time and move on.

Nope, not what I am saying. What I am saying is if you want people to pay attention to you then find a link from someone who has been the most active calling for audits. He is the highest rated news podcast. He is obviously pro Trump and pro MAGA so if he reports this everyone will believe it.

It isn't "blind tribalism", it is realism at how to speak to those who have been mocked, ridiculed and gaslighted for four years.

Just because someone says they did an audit does not mean that they did what we asked. Did they do a canvass? Did they audit the machines? Did they clean up the voting rolls? If not they are simply playing semantics and dressing up a "recount" as an "audit".

 

[Jimbone]

Queer people have always been a part of humanity. And if we truly believe in freedom and liberty, then we have to allow LGBTQs the freedom to live as they see fit, as long as they're not breaking laws or violating anyone else's rights.

I don't like the KKK or other white supremacist groups, but they have the freedom to believe and live however they like, as long as they stay within the law.

That's the deal we make in the US. Freedom sometimes means people you don't like or agree with can do and live as they like,

I don't like the KKK either, nor the racist Democrat party that started them. Crazy how they're still the party of racism, segregation, and stripping women's rights huh? Some things never change. That's why my Christian morals align more with the Republican party, the ones who freed the slaves, still fight for women's rights, ended Jim Crow and segregation. Funny how one of the Democrats most precious "rights" is literally child sacrifice. Yet here you are as a Christian standing behind this wickedness as if you have the moral high ground.

Quick historical fact, did you know the Nazi's looked to the Democrat written Jim Crow law to help them word their anti-Jewish laws, but had to change it a bit, because the Democrats were too radical with the whole 1 drop blood standard. If you had 1 drop of black blood, you were black, which has carried itself to this very day in the collective understanding of society. That's why Barak Obama is "black" and not mixed. Same with Kamala. So the Nazi's made it to where you had to have 3 or more Jewish grandparents. The American Democrats were too radical for the Nazi's. Just an interesting fact.

Sorry you can't see it, but you're one the wrong side of history following Democrat ideology, and it's ALWAYS been that way, no matter how self righteous they get or how much they try to warp and rewrite history. So you keep fighting for sexual perversion, racism, child sacrifice, child sterilization, child genital mutilation, and lawlessness with your secular and God hating, wicked political party, acting as if Jesus would back any of this up.

 

[JayBird]

Well I wrote three pretty simple sentences, one of which is in response to your attempted mischaracterization prior to that, and so the remaining two are all you need to read then on your moved goalposts. Do you just want me to copy paste them?

Okay here you go.

I'm sorry, but that's not really helpful. How would a "national divorce" be implemented?

 

[JayBird]

What I am saying is if you want people to pay attention to you then find a link from someone who has been the most active calling for audits. He is the highest rated news podcast. He is obviously pro Trump and pro MAGA so if he reports this everyone will believe it.

It isn't "blind tribalism", it is realism at how to speak to those who have been mocked, ridiculed and gaslighted for four years.

Saying "I will only accept something as true if Steve Bannon says it's true" is the very definition of blind tribalism.

Just because someone says they did an audit does not mean that they did what we asked. Did they do a canvass? Did they audit the machines? Did they clean up the voting rolls? If not they are simply playing semantics and dressing up a "recount" as an "audit".

Then you should go read their post-audit reports.

That's the good thing about the internet age. If you want to know about things like election audits, it's easy to just go read about them yourself. No need to have a standard of "I will only accept what Steve Bannon tells me".

 

[JayBird]

I don't like the KKK either, nor the racist Democrat party that started them.

Are you aware that the southern racists who did all that switched to the Republican Party in the 60's as the Democrats started supporting the Civil Rights Act? If not, look into Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

Crazy how they're still the party of racism, segregation, and stripping women's rights huh?

They are? How?

Quick historical fact, did you know the Nazi's looked to the Democrat written Jim Crow law to help them word their anti-Jewish laws, but had to change it a bit, because the Democrats were too radical with the whole 1 drop blood standard.

Were you aware that those Jim Crow laws were written by white Southern Baptists? Do you know the history of how the Southern Baptist Convention was started?

Sorry you can't see it, but you're one the wrong side of history

I think you need to learn some history.

And please stop the personal attacks.

 

[SonJudgment]

I'm sorry, but that's not really helpful. How would a "national divorce" be implemented?

Well we could just separate the failed blue states from our states and let them go and become their own coutnry. Granted I believe they are so far mismanaged and so full of wickedness that it will not take very long for them to rapidly collapse, but it's something like cutting of the evil body part so that the whole does not go into hell.

 

[ZNP]

Saying "I will only accept something as true if Steve Bannon says it's true" is the very definition of blind tribalism.


Then you should go read their post-audit reports.

That's the good thing about the internet age. If you want to know about things like election audits, it's easy to just go read about them yourself. No need to have a standard of "I will only accept what Steve Bannon tells me".

I don't need to read them, nor have you accurately described my position as you seem incapable of understanding my position. That is very strange, it is almost as if you have a brain that is binary and cannot compute any thing other than 0 or 1.

My position is that the country does not trust Biden or the State media. I do not mean 100% of the people because if that were so we wouldn't be having this back and forth.

As an active observer for the last four years I conclude that the problem is with Biden and the State media and they are not going about it correct to reconcile the country.

By definition an audit is done by "an independent" organization. If you are claiming an audit was done then that would only be true if they are independent. Obviously the only way to insure they are independent is to have people from both sides of the political divide observing the process. Mike Lindell would be an excellent person willing to observe. He has been very vocal on this issue and put forth a great deal of money to restore trust in the election process.

But no one that is talking about "divorce" of this nation would accept the powers that be telling them they did what they asked without them being able to observe. Any audit should be fully transparent. Now if Mike Lindell observed an audit he would certainly report it and he would certainly be welcome on Bannon's show.

Right now MAGA is saying that Bannon is a political prisoner. That is why Bannon has credibility with MAGA.

So go ahead and insult them, call them a cult or tribalism, that is the approach that Biden took for the last four years, you will find that this approach does nothing to restore trust.

 

[JayBird]

Well we could just separate the failed blue states from our states and let them go and become their own coutnry. Granted I believe they are so far mismanaged and so full of wickedness that it will not take very long for them to rapidly collapse, but it's something like cutting of the evil body part so that the whole does not go into hell.

And if they don't want to do that?

 

[Jimbone]

And if they don't want to do that?

They can always cry about it.