Is Donald J. Trump Saved?

[JohnDB]

Most of it is made up too.

My assessment of Trump comes from direct statements that he, himself has made.
Same thing with Harris.

If they admit to something or are proud of an accomplishment that we, the Christians, are capable of understanding as either morally superior or deficient....then we aren't playing some sort of voodoo witchcraft guessing game.

We are going by direct statements.

If someone says, "I am not a Christian" we tend to believe them.

If someone says they are a Christian but then denies the diety of Christ....that's another story. They aren't a Christian despite their lies or not understanding of what a Christian is.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

...and as the Dems say, vote often.

Whether you're alive or not!!!!!

 

[tourist]

Whether you're alive or not!!!!!

...or an illegal alien.

 

[Joshua_Belyeu]

I really think a lot of people (even many well-intended believers) act like Pharisees these days, trying to carve out exactly what does or does not make someone a Christian. There's many different verses all across Scripture, but the bottom line is this - admit you've sinned against God, believe that Jesus died and rose for you, then confess Him as your Lord. That's it - everything else is secondary. We all want to make tons of stuff in this life more important, but Jesus kept it simple. It was the church who pressured everyone into oblivion once He left.

 

[Ballaurena]

Are you a personal acquaintance of Trump? You seem to know a lot about him.

Some sins are pretty evident without having to know someone (1 Tim. 5:24, 1 Cor. 5:1-3). Also, what of spiritual discernment? My roommate in particular has a gift for knowing things about people she has never met. I do too to some extent. If a person has Holy Spirit, there is a good chance they have some capacity for this too.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Some sins are pretty evident without having to know someone (1 Tim. 5:24, 1 Cor. 5:1-3). Also, what of spiritual discernment? My roommate in particular has a gift for knowing things about people she has never met. I do too to some extent. If a person has Holy Spirit, there is a good chance they have some capacity for this too.

Jesus was falsely accused. How many of us make false assumptions of individuals we've never met and will likely never know based on the propaganda the news feeds present to us day in and day out?

 

[Ballaurena]

Jesus was falsely accused. How many of us make false assumptions of individuals we've never met and will likely never know based on the propaganda the news feeds present to us day in and day out?

What does the world's lack of discernment have to do with understanding that is guided by the Spirit? And what of the verses I posted? Did you even read them? Here is one more passage to add to them:

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 NASB1995
"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ."

 

[Mem]

My roommate in particular has a gift for knowing things about people she has never met.

Is she better at discerning between people that look bad actually being good or people that look good actually being bad?
As scripture tells us, we are not to judge by appearance.

 

[Ballaurena]

Is she better at discerning between people that look bad actually being good or people that look good actually being bad?
As scripture tells us, we are not to judge by appearance.

What does visual have to do with gifts of the Spirit??? The verse that even warns us about looking at outward appearance even says that the Lord looks at the heart (1 Sam. 16:7), and we now can have God's Spirit in our very soul to enable us to do that. How else would Ananias have known it was OK to talk to the previously murderous Paul as recorded in Acts 9? How did Peter know it would be good to talk to the gentile Cornelius in Acts 10? How did the wise men know not to go back to tell Herod where Jesus was born? Or how did Elisha know the Shunammite was in bitter distress when his servant Gehazi did not (2 Kings 4:27)? In fact it was notable that God hid the reason for it from him. Obviously the answer is because God revealed it through His Spirit, something that has become EXTREMELY more available with the New Covenant.

As for my roommate, most of them she has never seen so much as an avatar for, yet she can describe the character of people I have met online or in person with insight into their motivations beyond what I can see from knowing and interacting with them alone. I too do this a fair bit, though my gifting and calling is a little different from hers. You make me sad that you dismiss things of God, presumably from ignorance, and therefore His people. I sincerely hope you don't do it from unbelief (refusal to believe). After all, it says in 1 Thess. 5 "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil."

The fact is, if you can't do what I have described, you either don't have Holy Spirit, you haven't yet come into the fullness of understanding what it means for you personally to have Holy Spirit (that was me for a very long time and to some extent it is still the case), or your calling is just very different, but then you would have insight into other Spiritual things.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

What does the world's lack of discernment have to do with understanding that is guided by the Spirit?

In some cases I believe what a person thinks is understanding guided by the Spirit may actually be more along the lines of the world's lack of discernment. It's interesting to me that so many use their energy to bad mouth a man they've never met and probably never will. The things I've seen and heard about Trump are mostly positive. But then, I'm not looking for dirt.

Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

 

[Ballaurena]

In some cases I believe what a person thinks is understanding guided by the Spirit may actually be more along the lines of the world's lack of discernment. It's interesting to me that so many use their energy to bad mouth a man they've never met and probably never will. The things I've seen and heard about Trump are mostly positive. But then, I'm not looking for dirt.

Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

You just don't understand, Friend. Often when it is the guidance of the Spirit, it feels a distinct way unlike anything else, and more significantly, it's always grounded in love, truth, and righteousness - Something only possible with the discernment that comes from years of experience walking in the Spirit. Unless there is a high-level fallen spirit involved, it isn't going to be a hard call for someone who is spiritually mature (an elder). And the fact that God is there means we don't have to worry about getting taken in so long as our hearts stay humble and open to Him - because of His faithfulness.

It's funny you quoted Matt 7:5 before I realized it because that is the very verse I was going to quote to you because people like to gloss over an important part of it when they are defending an anti-judgment mentality that actually comes from the sinful world that doesn't want to be seen rather than from God or the Bible:

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." (Emphasis added.)

Take what you will from what I have written, though, because although we can help point each other in the right direction, ultimately each of us must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It isn't my job to convince you, nor you me. Therefore I am disinclined to answer again on this topic.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

You just don't understand, Friend.

Actually, I think I do understand, but I will say no more as I see no value in it.

 

[Mem]

What does visual have to do with gifts of the Spirit??? The verse that even warns us about looking at outward appearance even says that the Lord looks at the heart (1 Sam. 16:7), and we now can have God's Spirit in our very soul to enable us to do that. How else would Ananias have known it was OK to talk to the previously murderous Paul as recorded in Acts 9? How did Peter know it would be good to talk to the gentile Cornelius in Acts 10? How did the wise men know not to go back to tell Herod where Jesus was born? Or how did Elisha know the Shunammite was in bitter distress when his servant Gehazi did not (2 Kings 4:27)? In fact it was notable that God hid the reason for it from him. Obviously the answer is because God revealed it through His Spirit, something that has become EXTREMELY more available with the New Covenant.

As for my roommate, most of them she has never seen so much as an avatar for, yet she can describe the character of people I have met online or in person with insight into their motivations beyond what I can see from knowing and interacting with them alone. I too do this a fair bit, though my gifting and calling is a little different from hers. You make me sad that you dismiss things of God, presumably from ignorance, and therefore His people. I sincerely hope you don't do it from unbelief (refusal to believe). After all, it says in 1 Thess. 5 "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil."

The fact is, if you can't do what I have described, you either don't have Holy Spirit, you haven't yet come into the fullness of understanding what it means for you personally to have Holy Spirit (that was me for a very long time and to some extent it is still the case), or your calling is just very different, but then you would have insight into other Spiritual things.

Just checking the spirits. Do you discern Trump's heart as 'evil'?

 

[Burn1986]

Is Donald Trump Saved?

Health and Happiness, August 10, 2024, 6:10PM
The question of Donald Trump's salvation and beliefs have been discussed since he was elected for his first term. We can only judge someone's testimony by the Scriptures.
Since we are only saved by the grace of God through faith in His Son, that is what we hope to hear. Ephesians 2

Donald Trump was shot and life miraculously spared, many of us began praying for his safety and salvation. He acknowledged that God saved his life. May his heart become tender to his need for the Lord.

There is an old video where he was asked if he ever confesses his sins. It was hard for him to admit that he needs to. That was an indication that he wasn't saved. Although confessing specific sins is not required for salvation, it is something that believers should do regularly to God.

There was an Easter (Christmas?) service at a large Baptist church a few years ago where he spoke eloquently about our Savior.
Unfortunately, he tacked on his belief that our works are necessary at the end.

Just a week ago Donald Trump was asked if he believes in Heaven. He stated that he does. He also explains what he believes is required to get there. The question has finally been answered.

>Trump's Salvation Testimony<

(The short video is from a very good Christian YouTube channel. I highly recommend clicking onto the channel title and then subscribe at his home page. Hit the bell for notifications. It's my favorite Christian channel.)

(Please pray for Donald Trump as often as you think of him. Not only does he need safety, he needs God's Son as his Savior. Pray that God will send Spirit filled soul winners with the courage to present Trump with the clear plan of salvation. That would not only bless him, but could be a blessing to the world if he follows God's Word after that.)

He probably is saved, but that doesn’t matter. He still won’t make it in office. Trump
has lofty aspirations, but until he has a plan to combat election fraud, he won’t ever make it to the WH again. In fact, Harris and the Dems will find something on him and he will never make it to the election. Even if he somehow makes it to the election, he still has no plan for the voting fraud.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

He probably is saved, but that doesn’t matter. He still won’t make it in office. Trump
has lofty aspirations, but until he has a plan to combat election fraud, he won’t ever make it to the WH again. In fact, Harris and the Dems will find something on him and he will never make it to the election. Even if he somehow makes it to the election, he still has no plan for the voting fraud.

I know it gets discouraging when he's been attacked by frivolous charges and false accusations for years. He's definitely gone through more of that than anyone I am aware of in my lifetime.

What do you think about his comment about if your good you go to heaven, but if you're bad you go somewhere else?

 

[Burn1986]

I know it gets discouraging when he's been attacked by frivolous charges and false accusations for years. He's definitely gone through more of that than anyone I am aware of in my lifetime.

What do you think about his comment about if your good you go to heaven, but if you're bad you go somewhere else?

He seems like he has some desire for God. Sure he’s done stuff in his past, but he seems repentant and has a drive to protect what is right for Christians. If he isn’t saved then he is close.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

He seems like he has some desire for God. Sure he’s done stuff in his past, but he seems repentant and has a drive to protect what is right for Christians. If he isn’t saved then he is close.

I think he may be ready to get saved.
The comment about trusting in his good vs bad is what I used to believe too.

Then someone cared enough to take the time to share what God's Word has to say about it. The Lord spoke to me when I admitted that I was lost and deserved to go to hell if I died.
Then He revealed the truth found in Ephesians 2

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I knew that Jesus suffered and died for all of my sins. However, like Donald Trump, I was trusting in my good works to save me.

 

[hornetguy]

My roommate in particular has a gift for knowing things about people she has never met.

LOL.... or perhaps you are both simply deluded.

You've never met me.... tell me what my given name was at my birth.... we will all wait for the "revelation"....

 

[Lynx]

LOL.... or perhaps you are both simply deluded.

You've never met me.... tell me what my given name was at my birth.... we will all wait for the "revelation"....

Is this your first time meeting ballaurena? She's REALLY heavy into divination.

Your question reminds me of... me. When kids at w*rk start talking about "Well he's a capricorn, so you gotta expect him to do that" I'll ask them what my sign is. They've known me for months. If that astrology stuff is real, they should be able to take what they know of my personality and tell me which sign I am.

They never, ever, EVER get it right, not even on the fifth guess.

 

[NightTwister]

Fully concur with your estimate. God help the USA if she wins.

I'm pretty sure God has already given up on the USA, but if she wins it'll be certain.