Stars, Dust & Sand

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CS1 said:
wrong unbiblical. He was like all men but without SIN because HE had an Eternal Divine Nature and one of flesh.
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He was without sin, yes, a perfect human being, how else could he die for a ransom for Adam? A life for a life.
 
CS1 said:
LOL. Is the son from the Father? He has all the father has and receives all the father gets.

Jesus said John 14: 6 "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".


The Greek has it an imperative: it reads I AM the only WAY, not another way, I AM the only Truth, not another truth, and I AM the only Eternal Life , not another life. NO ONE goes to MY Father except through ME, Meaning MY WAY, MY Truth, and MY ETERNAL LIFE.

If there was no Father Jesu was has not said so. If there was no Holy Spirit Jesu would have not said so. and IF Jesus was not GO the SON He would have said so. BUT Clearly in the Hebrew Jesus said "IAM" = GOD
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And I agree, but it still doesn't make him part of a Trinity.
 
Bruce_Leiter said:
Why do people have to allegorize the Bible? God is simply reassuring Abraham that his descendants through Isaac will be uncountable. Allegorizing the teachings of the Bible runs the risk of letting the Bible say whatever the student wants it to say.
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Didn't Jesus speak in parables, allegories? Can we say the same about prophecies? Should we take Daniel and Revelation literally?
 
RR said:
So, as a Trinitarian, I suppose YOUR human intellect has humbled you enough to understand the nature of God. You are UNLIMITED. Interesting.
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First off, please don't be stereotyping me. In many other threads on the Trinity, I have said the word Trinity is not in the bible. It is a Theological concept. It in itself is not fully capable of explaining the Full Nature of God because of OUR limited understand

FYI, that includes me and you. In my humble opinion, I do not result in foolishness to explain the Trinity as an egg, shell, white part, and yoke. Or water, steam, and Ice. That is called Profaning the Living God, which means to MAKE COMMON.


OUR, you, and mine cannot fully comprehend the entire nature of God. That is why we must approach God's Nature Reverently and Humbly.

I see God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit in the word of God; they are all there. Yet, I would be lying to say I fully understand.

You please tell me all there is of GOD if you know....
 
RR said:
He was without sin, yes, a perfect human being, how else could he die for a ransom for Adam? A life for a life.
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HID Father was not a man, which is where the sinful nature comes from.
 
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RR said:
And I agree, but it still doesn't make him part of a Trinity.
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As I have said or as the Word of God shows Jesus is God the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God all are God yet One.

You can't fully comprehend that no one can. :) That is where the concept of the Trinity comes in, teaching that all are God yet ONE. The eternal Godhead is in the word of God, so. You have to remove that term, too.
 
RR said:
Genesis 1:26 says Adam was created in the image of God. Is that image flawed?
When Jesus was approached and called "good", Jesus stated: "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." (Matt 19:17; Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19) was Jesus not "good"?
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That doesn't answer my question.
 
CS1 said:
As I have said or as the Word of God shows Jesus is God the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God all are God yet One.

You can't fully comprehend that no one can. :) That is where the concept of the Trinity comes in, teaching that all are God yet ONE. The eternal Godhead is in the word of God, so. You have to remove that term, too.
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aah ... the old "it's a mystery" just accept it. Nah
 
Clay is quite fascinating, it's the smallest particle while sand is the largest of soil types.
 
RR said:
Okay, can you show me a verse that say Adam and Eve were created "good"?
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The Bible says Adam and Eve were created perfect
RR said:
Okay, can you show me a verse that say Adam and Eve were created "good"?
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They were created perfect and with free will. It was not until they disobeyed God they became sinners which means they were not good. How long after they were created sinless until they disobeyed God is unknown.

Now with Jesus He never sinned and was perfect. Hebrews 4:15 says Jesus was sinless. 2 Corinthians 5:21 says Jesus knew no sin. Since this is true Jesus could not have been included as NOT being good. Prove me wrong.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
RR said:
Did that apply to Adam and Eve? After all the creative days, it says "good", but not when He created man.
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Yes. The very good was said only after man and woman were created.

PS ~ He saw that it was good in Genesis 1:10, 12, 18, 25. So not every day.
 
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RR said:
So "good" to you means "imperfect"?
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You have not yet answered my question.

But I could ask the same of you: perfect to you means prone to sin?

The fact of the matter is this: Adam was never described as perfect.

He was described as good/very good.
 
Magenta said:
But I could ask the same of you: perfect to you means prone to sin?
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Was Jesus prone to sin? Were any of the angels prone to sin? We were created as free moral agents, the right to choose, Adam unfortunately, chose to listen to his wife and disobey God, which led him to die slowly, but not before passing on that debt of sin to his progeny.

Adam and Eve were created in the Garden of Eden. They were without sin. Because of that, they were perfect and flawless. If we presume they weren't perfect, then we have to see that God created them with imperfections. If God created them as imperfect, wouldn't that mean that by creating us this way he caused us to sin? Being omniscient, he knew full well that if he created us to sin then we would sin. Therefore wouldn't his act of creation be the cause of the sin? If he created us to sin, can God be held accountable for this sin?
 
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RR said:
Was Jesus prone to sin?
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You beat around the bush, deflecting, and refusing to answer while demanding answers of me.

It's a wonder you are still here. You should be reported.
 
People like you ought to just admit it when you are wrong, but you rarely if ever do.

The fact of the matter is this: Adam was never described as perfect.

He was described as good/very good.
 
RR said:
Okay, can you show me a verse that say Adam and Eve were created "good"?
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RR said:
Did that apply to Adam and Eve? After all the creative days, it says "good", but not when He created man.
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I don't know what Bible you use, but the King James Bible answers your question in the very first chapter.
To repeat Magenta's reference.
What is the issue sir?

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
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