There will be no Rapture!!!
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but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will
say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in
your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21-23
To be fair I think the example you are using here that shows demons that leave and then return, is simply a parable that is putting forth a profound spiritual truth. the context of Luke 11 has Jesus condemning the Pharisees and is calling them an evil and adulterous generation.
When the unclean spirit returns in the future from the pit (dry waterless place) he will return to Israel but will also come with 7 more/judgments and it will be worse for Israel in that day for although they have been swept clean they have continually rejected the Messiah since His first coming.
I'm not invested one way or the other with the discussion of demons leaving people, I'm just pointing out using a parable as an example or rule of something happening, probably wont hold any validity.
Jesus had just cast out a demon from a mute man. I think he was being literal when he spoke of demons coming and going, I see no reason to think otherwise. Obviously there is still profound spiritual truth in his statement
You say, HUH?
How appropriate.
2 Peter 3:16
Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures.
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yep, and make sure you look in the mirror
Because you will be judged by the measure you judged.Prideful people hate when others disagree with them. Me, I am perfectly fine. You disagree, and I have never attacked your salvation as you have me and others who disagree with you.
yep, and make sure you look in the mirror
Prideful people hate when others disagree with them. Me, I am perfectly fine. You disagree, and I have never attacked your salvation as you have me and others who disagree with you.
I am not saying you're not saved. I am just showing you what camp your flesh is attracted to.
There are believers who produce what the Bible calls "wood, hay, and stubble."
The same passage says they will lose all rewards...
But? It also says they will remain being saved.
Same thing, and you don't know what camp I am, nor do you know what reward I will get or not. You are judgemental, as most of those like you are, and try to use the word of God like a curse. Trying to punish those who disagree with acting like a cult leader. Next, you will say we did the unforgivable sin, which is disagreeing with you.
My two-cents'-worth...
from my perspective, you had asked Genez for a scripture reference (to prove his point), and he supplied the one that he did in his Post #3022 (the one you're quoting when you made this response to him).
My thoughts are, you are perceiving him to be directing the content of that verse / passage TOWARD YOU [personally], rather than his INTENDED meaning of: supplying a passage in direct response to YOUR REQUEST (the verse he selected shows--persons who Jesus will SEND AWAY from Him because He "NEVER knew them" still somehow "DROVE OUT DEMONS" ("and IN THY NAME have done many wonderful works")--and if they hadn't, wouldn't it have been apparent to someone when it was taking place? ...
just wondering... )It's like the ones (as part of the "churchES"), in Rev3:15-16, He calls "LUKEWARM"... I believe He is referring to those who are NOT SAVED: they "come in His name" but are NOT vitally connected with Jesus (just like "COLD" or "HOT" water was connected to a SOURCE--both of THOSE are "positives" in God's sight [per v.15b!]; but the "LUKEWARM" is NOT)
[see also Matt10:1,4b!]
My two-cents'-worth...
from my perspective, you had asked Genez for a scripture reference (to prove his point), and he supplied the one that he did in his Post #3022 (the one you're quoting when you made this response to him).
My thoughts are, you are perceiving him to be directing the content of that verse / passage TOWARD YOU [personally], rather than his INTENDED meaning of: supplying a passage in direct response to YOUR REQUEST (the verse he selected shows--persons who Jesus will SEND AWAY from Him because He "NEVER knew them" still somehow "DROVE OUT DEMONS" ("and IN THY NAME have done many wonderful works")--and if they hadn't, wouldn't it have been apparent to someone when it was taking place? ...
It's like the ones (as part of the "churchES"), in Rev3:15-16, He calls "LUKEWARM"... I believe He is referring to those who are NOT SAVED: they "come in His name" but are NOT vitally connected with Jesus (just like "COLD" or "HOT" water was connected to a SOURCE--both of THOSE are "positives" in God's sight [per v.15b!]; but the "LUKEWARM" is NOT)
[see also Matt10:1,4b!]
I respect your point. However, Jesus saying I never knew you and the defense of the person. " I cast out Demons in your name", proves the Authority and power of that name. Yet the idea that those demons were faking is not contextual with the text Genez provided.
That is what I asked Genez to show me in the word of God, where demons fake healing and leaving.
We are to judge... righteously.
Not to judge as to condemn the person.
But to point out error that another has stepped into with hopes he will back out and wipe off his boots.
The one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself
is understood by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord,
so as to advise him? But we have the mind of Christ."
(the Word of God properly understood and abiding in us)
1 Corinthians 2:15-16
Yes Jesus had just healed a blind and deaf man, and the religious leaders who profess to follow and know God accuse Jesus of casting demons out by Beelzebub, instead of seeing the Messiah doing Messianic signs they reject Him.
The irony is that Jesus can heal a dumb man, yet the Pharisee's the religious and devout leaders of Israel are seeing but cannot see, ever hearing but cannot hear. Which is also why Jesus speaks in parables.
Notice the order is slightly different in Matthew 12 there the healing of the dumb man, then Jesus tells the Scribes and Pharisees no sign shall be given them except the sign of Jonah, then the parable of the unclean spirit.
Also there is an added detail in the Matthew account that seems to point to it also being about the evil generation not just an individual man.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Anyway I won't go into detail but after the rapture the last state of unbelieving unseeing unhearing Israel will be far worse as the day of trouble/judgment will be upon them.