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I'm gonna make this real simple, God has not lost the Jewish people. They are blinded for a time. They are the dry bones that come to life again. God said they would come to life again, recognize their Messiah and mourn. They can be grafted in again, just like Romans 11 says. God has promises He will keep to the Jews. 1948 Israel began God's prophetic time clock. Your opinion doesn't change this. Israel has a right to defend it's homeland. It sits on 1% of the land in the middle east and the world won't even allow them to have that. God will bring them into line, just as He said and He will raise the dry bones to live again.
I'll make your statement even simpler...
You're saying it doesn't matter what they do, who they hurt, or what sins they commit. It doesn't even matter what the scriptures say or what history proves. All that matters is their assumed race and that they successfully seize all of the land (by any means if necessary)...and support for them isn't even for their sake but for the sake of fulfilling the rest of end-times prophecy so that the Messiah comes. Thus anyone in the way of that happening (i.e. activists, protestors, governments, even innocent children) is the true problem because none of this would be happening if it wasn't part of God's plan..
...tell me if I'm warm.
What if all the activists, protestors, and innocent people crying out are messages from The Almighty to warn us to stop before we find ourselves on the wrong side of His judgment?
Is The Almighty the God of force, or the God of the innocent and down-trodden? Has he ever supported an army's might? Was He in the storm or the still small voice?
Right now, many Christians care more about ushering in the Messiah than about saving innocent children, but which do you believe The Almighty cares about more: Sending His Son as soon as possible to execute judgment or saving as many lives as possible? 2 Peter 3:9
And it doesnt matter that the palestinians are of another religion because "while we were yet sinners Christ died for all of us", including them.
Like I said to you before, all of this is simply man trying to force fulfillment of a promise that only happens in The Almighty's time...and they will pay for it.
Where did I say that?! The OT specifically talks about the punishment they have received, being scattered among all the nations because of their disobedience. And they still are dry bones, not back where God intends them to be. Still blinded, but God will graft them back in again.
Well history proves the land belongs to the Jews, you don't even need to use the Bible to prove that.
They have 3000 yrs of proof of Jews living in the land. They didn't seize anything, they bought back their own land from absentee land owners, and at a higher price than it was worth. Palestinians were offered land then and several times since and always turned it down.
Israel has made peace with those around them, they gave up land for peace. They sit on 1% of the land in the ME. and you won't even let them have that as their homeland, even though the land belongs to them. If Palestinians truly want peace they need to take up arms with Israel and get rid of Hamas for good.
Does it sound like you're warm?
So protesters and activists that are screaming from the River to the Sea, forcing Jewish students to hide inside a library, not allowing them to pass certain points, those are the ones on the right side? Those are the ones on God's side?! In a word, no.
Ask the Amalekites.
Like the children whose parents were murdered in front of them? Like the women and children that are STILL hostage along with men? Like the women that were and are being raped as hostages?! Or maybe the baby that was taken hostage???!
Ask David.
Jesus will return at the time set before the foundation of the world. We can't rush it, we can't slow it.
Not sure what point this makes.
If people think they are doing anything to change the time of His coming you'd be right. Israel is the valley of dry bones that are about to come alive. Right on time according to the Word and God's purpose.
"Innocent and downtrodden? How far from reality do you wish to go?
The Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists are far from innocent, and if the Palestinians are downtrodden it is because of these evildoers. But both leaders and people hate the Israelis and Israel and wish to exterminate them. This is IRRATIONAL hatred.
The terrorist leaders have taken all the money which should have gone towards uplifting their people and either enriched themselves, or poured it into arms and ammunition. So the Palestinian civilians are living under terrible conditions, and not because of Israel.
And all this time NOT A SINGLE Muslim or Arab country has offered to relocate them and give them their own homeland. Do you know why? They despise the Palestinians. So go and appeal to Saudi Arabia with its huge land mass and billions of dollars in oil revenue, and ask the king why he did nothing for the downtrodden Palestinians who are Sunni Muslims. Israel is in an existential war, but they also dithered around for too long. The matter should have been settled within a couple of months.
Scripture proves that the land belongs to The Almighty, confirmed by history. He gives it to and takes it away from whomever HE wills. You need the bible to understand that it's not theirs until He gives it back. They don't get to take it from others because "one upon a time" ancestors lived there.
Canaanites lived there before the Israelites.
Madness.
You can't offer someone back only a portion of what's theirs. The palestinians are the descendant of the "Jews", not European converts to a religion started by Pharisees who seized control while they were in captivity. The palestinians are those who own the 3000 year history. They lost their identity as the bible said would happen as punishment. It is written.
Europeans seized the land as was also prophesied. All it takes is a little study to see where Gog settled.
...by israeli soldiers? Yes, those innocent Children.
The same hostages of whom when some were freed said they feared more being killed by israeli bombs.
The same who were silenced by the israeli govt and accused of Stockholm syndrome when they said they were treated very well and fed very well, even had their birthdays celebrated while held; silenced because it didn't fit the narrative/lie that the hostages are suffering.
The palestinians may not know who they really are but you can't deny their fruit. And despite israeli lies you can't deny their fruit either.
No not like unverified claims. I mean like those innocent boys and men who were actually proven to be raped by israeli soldiers as a policy.
No, like the dozens of children held without caused in detention centers like in the west Bank without charge, and tortured.
Those innocent. Actual innocent. He's the God of them.
Sure let's ask David and Gideon and all of those who had armies. Those who study know that The Almighty never wants His glory to be given to man; taking credit for any win. He wants all the glory. So He'll makes sure their armies are the weakest/smallest by comparison so that they can say it was by God alone.
I said "might". He doesn't support an army's "might". And He doesn't change. Hence He's never going to return the people to the land through man's military "might". The state of Israel is the most advanced military in the region. They have been the most advanced since the 6 day war.
This was for those readers who assume the palestinians are agents of the devil simply for being born in the wrong place and under the wrong "religion", who sit on their high horse as if they have never been enemies of God. There but for the grace of Yah go we all.
It's proven in recent documentaries that its the impitus of many members of congress to support the state of Israel to that end. They believe that in order for the Messiah to come the antichrist first needs to set up shop, but there needs to be a temple...for there to be a temple Israel needs to control the land...thus they need to help Israel achieve that by any means.
Hence the blind support for the rogue state despite the numerous crimes against humanity.
We are currently living through Ezekiel 35-36, gentiles have claimed the land and property as theirs.
Ezekiel 37 is the resurrection of the dead (As a result of the Messiah returning).
Ezekiel 38-39 is true Israel living in the land in peace for 1000yrs after kicking out the pretenders, while the world rejects them and plans to take the land back (gog/magog war).
Is that an offer? Because you're rarely on planet earth. Yes I'd like to stay in reality thanks.
What's interesting is how a broad question about the nature of The Almighty triggers what's really in one's heart.
If you're going to answer a question at least stick to the question.
I asked is The Almighty the God of force ("boom boom, pow pow, guns guns"), or the God of the innocent and downtrodden ("take care of the widows and the fatherless")? I didn't associate the question itself with any group of people. I thought it was a pretty simple question...I guess I was wrong.
You then share how hamas and other Arab nations VICTIMIZE the palestinians.
...................so then the palestinians are victims, right?
[Aside: did you know that the majority of palestinians didn't want Hamas? Did you know that Netanyahu financially supported Hamas rising to power because he knew they wouldn't help the palestinians achieve their statehood? He is recorded saying this during an interview and congress cited this during a hearing. That's reality.]
You then say the palestinians hate the Israelis and want then exterminated, calling it "irrational" despite the abundance of history out there that proves time and time again that:
A) The palestinians were living there for hundreds of years in peace with a minority of Jews.
B) Europeans (Germans, Poles) started migrating in and stealing their land. Literally walking in their houses and saying "this is mine now.", which STILL happens in the West Bank and East Jerusalem to this day. And the idf will defend these thieves telling the Palestinian family they need to find somewhere else to live.
C) The empires of the modern world (usa and Great Britain) were giving those Europeans money and weaponry to push the palestinians out year after year long before 1948.
D) The international community then officially recognizes those Europeans and their seized land as a sovereign state while denying the palestinians their own state.
...and all anyone can say as a defense is "well we identify as Jews and so our assumed ancestors used to live there so it's ours now". Or, "but but but the Holocaust...!" as if the palestinians had anything to do with it.
...and if that wasn't bad enough...
E) The state continues to annex land despite resolutions telling them to stop and despite their own promises to not do so during peace negotiations.
And...
F) The israelis started dehumanizing the palestinians year after year, decade after decades, teaching in their classrooms that palestinians hate them and want to rape and kill them...leading to human rights violations, until finally the palestinians fought back....but in doing so are now labeled "terrorists" by the same group of people who funded those European converts' colonization in the first place.
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Yeah, and you want me to believe that The Almighty is in any of this mess. Laughable.
Why would they locate them if it's palestinian land?
The Almighty will never allow the state of Israel to claim all the land. There will never be peace there as long as pretenders remain in control of it, thus says Yah...and you can quote me. It will never happen.
And He promised that land to Abraham and his descendants, and He repeated it to each generation. It was an everlasting and unconditional promise. And He will fulfill it!!
We already know who He WILLED it to !! With an unconditional and everlasting promise.
He never took it from them. They lost use of the land when they disobeyed but they never lost the deed, the promise God made to Abe and repeated to each generation.
3000 yrs presence in the land. That makes it their homeland, they have a right to their homeland.
God gave the land to Abe and continued that promise to each generation. It might help if you actually read the Bible. I sure wouldn't want to accuse the Almighty of "madness", but you do you.
Baloney!! No such thing. Palestinians are Arabs. There were no Palestinian people, no king, no language of their own, no archaeology. The are Arabs. This re-write of history is false. It wasn't their land or their heritage. It is the land promised to the Jews by God. Arabs have their own land. The Jews took the smaller portion offered of their own homeland, and sit on 1% of the land in the ME. Palestinian is name fabricated for one reason, to get rid of the Jews.
On Oct 7 by Hamas and their supporters. THOSE innocent children!!
So they were enjoying being hostages. They felt better with terrorists. Got it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigati...ng-information-hostages-raped-gaza-rcna141789
https://www.timesofisrael.com/right...n-a-tunnel-knesset-hears-of-hamas-sex-crimes/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/midd...-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html
https://nypost.com/2024/04/02/world...ly-abused-says-ex-captive-no-one-to-save-you/
Yes, sounds like they were treated wonderfully. smh Real good fruit there.
When? Where's the proof? Post proof without any Palestinian slant.
I don't know what Bible you're reading, but the "might" will be Christ Himself. You don't get more "advanced" than that.
They aren't born into a religion, they are brainwashed. Nor were they born in the wrong place. They have every freedom in Israel.
It's been proven?? How can one prove that?! They sure haven't read their Bibles. But I highly doubt such a thing has been proven.
No they haven't. The people that wore the yellow star and were murdered because they were Jews are in the land today. Fact.
Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.’” (Ezekiel 37:12–14 NIV)
This article is worth reading.
Former US DOJ prosecutors of Nazi war criminals strike back at Hamas’s genocide libel against Israel
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...at_hamas_s_genocide_libel_against_israel.html
Former US DOJ prosecutors of Nazi war criminals strike back at Hamas’s genocide libel against Israel
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...at_hamas_s_genocide_libel_against_israel.html
Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Ishbak, Shuah, and Midian were Abraham's sons too. So by your statement, it's the Arab's land as well then. Do you want to rephrase?
Yes...
Show anywhere in scripture where the word in red (or its concept) is tied to this everlasting land promise. Absolutely anywhere.
Yes, and He willed it away. Again, point to where it was "unconditional" that He would give it back.
You're playing a game of semantics. Disobeyed = no land. And it wasn't the only part of the punishment but let's continue with just this. Following your concept of "unconditional" promise, you have to prove that they would receive use of the land while still in disobedience because the law says if they continue in their disobedience the time of their punishment would be multiplied 7 times again and again until they repent (Leviticus 26:34).
Question: are they in disobedience now?
Let's start showing proof.
I'd like it if we quoted scripture to prove all things.
You've been brainwashed. I'll wait to reply to this portion in its own post after I reply to the rest.
All innocent children are seen equally in The Almighty's eyes and my eyes. But others couldn't care less about Palestinian children. That's the problem. But how many exactly were harmed by Hamas? By Israeli solder accounts, most of their own people were harmed by their hands.
Here's an article from the Guardian referencing Haaretz article on Hannibal directive
They surely didn't feel safe from their own government
- Here's an account of former hostages yelling at Netanyahu about their lack of care for the hostages.
- "Our Greatest fear was Israeli Planes"
- Hostages were saved from the rubble by Hamas during an IOF airstrike.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNtfYonf/
- Read this "harrowing experience" of one of the last four rescued hostages while being held
"They forced me to wash dishes...and read the Quran"
- They were fed well (before IOF started cutting off food supplies).
https://apnews.com/article/hostage-gaza-freed-israel-captive-408f65fcc1b8f016f3735cd5022163eb
Note the dates on your articles. One of the articles says:
"In early December, NBC News reported that evidence, primarily from the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli officials, suggested that dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 attack."
Associated Press: How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war
In other words, Israel is caught in a lot of lying including the "babies in the oven" lie.
Meanwhile, this is what happens in Israeli prisons...
...And a "Times of Israel" article...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/milit...lity-9-held-over-serious-abuse-of-a-detainee/
Reuters...
The following is a video showing a recent boy who returned from detention in the West Bank.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/n...n-detained-and-interrogated-by-israeli-forces
Here's a CNN video of Gazan detainees.
And in Gaza City...
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/n...stripped-and-abused-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza
West Bank battalion investigated for proven human rights violations by the US state department months before October 7th.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/13/worl...zah-yehuda-investigation-polglase-full-digvid
Stating random facts that side-step the actual point being made won't help us get anywhere.
I'm trying to figure out if you actually don't know what's going on, or if you're purposely being deceptive.
They do not have every freedom (2001 documentary)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNtfrKBf/
What do you mean how can it be proven?? That their motivation is eschatological? They were asked.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67422238
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...ngelical-christians-support-israel-rcna121481
This ties to the portion I'm saving for another post so stay tuned.
Yes. Ezekiel 37 is the resurrection of the dead. As your referenced passage proves, it happens before (or at a similar timeframe as) the gathering of Messiah's people from the four corners to go home. The regathering doesn't start before the resurrection. ^It's right there.
No one precedes those who rise first (1 Thess 4:13). Why? because those who are dead are the patriarchs of the faith: Daniel, David, The apostles....those who did the heavy lifting for this great work. No one returns home until the patriarchs are awake first because they receive the promise together. Nowhere in scripture does it describe the regathering happening in waves of migrations, and it won't be without the Messiah. It will be a supernatural event that will make the parting of the reed sea pale by comparison. That's the promise. It's why man's military might isn't a factor. Man's military might isn't what regathers Israel.
Don't you even read your Bible carefully?
Only Isaac was the child of promise, and only through Isaac and Jacob would the twelve tribes of Israel (as well as Christ through Judah) come into existence. Indeed Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" by Christ Himself.
Evidently you do not know the Abrahamic Covenant, otherwise you would not be asking about an "unconditional" promise. There were absolutely no conditions attached to the Abrahamic Covenant. The fact that Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness was all that mattered to God. So kindly go and study the book of Genesis.
The "Arabs" are intruders in Palestine, and had the Jews of Christ's day not rejected Him and had Him crucified, they would have remained in that land from the time of Abraham. The Zionists returned in unbelief, and the majority of Israelis are also in unbelief. But all that will be addressed after the Second Coming of Christ. In spite of their unbelief God has been merciful to the Jews in Israel, and some have been saved.
What you have failed o understand is the IRRATIONAL SATANIC HATRED of "Arabs" and Muslims surrounding Israel and within Palestine. Had the Palestinian leadership been rational the Palestinians would be living peacefully beside Israel, and the Temple Mount would not be a bone of contention.
I have put "Arabs" in quotations since the true Arabs are Arabians (descendants of Ishmael or Ishmaelites) from the Arabian peninsula, and Saudi Arabia wants to make a peace treaty with Israel. The Egyptians are not Arabs, the Jordanians are Ammonites, the others are either Edomites, or Moabites, or Midianites, or Phoenicians, or Philistines.
Since brother Nehemiah answered the first part of the post so well I don't have to bother with it. I would appreciate prayers for my husband. Last week we found out he may have to have open heart surgery. This was an utter shock because he is in excellent health, not overweight, and had no symptoms. Apparently it's hereditary. So just please remember him in prayer as we walk this path. Thank you.
The beheaded babies isn't a lie. If you read Snopes they have not said it is a lie. They say more information is needed. The rape is definitely not a lie. We saw with our own eyes a woman who was attacked. Now whether the babies were beheaded may take time to come out. But they were murdered. The how of it really doesn't matter, murder is murder.
I never said anything about military might. I also said God said He will re-gather. But first they need a country to re-gather to. That's why 1948 is so important.
This is one of the greatest responses I've seen on this topic. I may even steal some of your wording for future discussions. Brilliant...
Who can argue with, "it is God's plan?"
Christ Jesus (the True Israel) comes, bears the sins of all, yet we have real estate issues leftover from the time of Abraham, yes makes total sense.
Christians the ultimate moral relativists, land means more than human life.
This is one of the greatest responses I've seen on this topic. I may even steal some of your wording for future discussions. Brilliant...
Just what do you consider "brilliant"?
Never mind the bible...do you read posts carefully? There was a point I was making with the reply.
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Genesis 17:1, 7-8 (Abraham)
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect/blameless. 2 I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you exceedingly.”
7 I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
8 And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.”
9 God also said to Abraham, “You must keep My covenant—you and your descendants in the generations after you
Genesis 26:2-5 (Isaac)
2 The LORD appeared to Isaac and said, “Do not go down to Egypt. Settle in the land where I tell you. 3 Stay in this land as a foreigner, and I will be with you and bless you. For I will give all these lands to you and your offspring, and I will confirm the oath that I swore to your father Abraham. 4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, and I will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, 5 because Abraham listened to My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis 28:13-15 (Jacob)
13 And there at the topc the LORD was standing and saying, “I am the LORD, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you now lie. 14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and east and north and south. All the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. 15 Look, I am with you, and I will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”
...and before bringing Israelites into the promised land The Almighty spelled out the commandments they were to keep, which is why when they broke the covenant they were kicked out of the land and punished.
^ So even here you acknowledge there's a condition to be in the land.
^ Show scripture proving this would happen in this order, please?
Salvation without Christ huh? And you metaled this post, @ThereRoseaLamb Yes, there is irrational satanic hatred of the arab people and the Muslims surrounding Israel...by the Western World. The ignorance of history here is astounding. Did you know that when Catholics were murdering Jews it was Muslims and Arabs who protected them and allowed them to return to the land whenever the Islamic Caliphate reclaimed it from the Pope? This isn't hidden history, you can literally Google it.
Can you explain how that's hatred because that's like some 4D chess-level hatred if so?
If you didn't even know that the promise made to Abraham was conditional then are you sure you know what you're talking about here, Nehemiah?
Please bother. Can you share scripture where the promise was unconditional?
Since you asked, I will.
So without proof, you rather believe it's true? Well, I can never say you aren't faithful.
No *I* said something about military might. My point was that The Almighty isn't going to let man take the glory for leading the people back to the land when He said He would do so. It's supposed to be miraculous to cause the nations to fear Him again (just like the parting of the reed sea did for the nations of ancient Israel). It is a fact of history that those people conquered the land in 1947 with more advanced military and weaponry against men, women, and children who had no army, massacring them in their homes.
Below a Jewish man shares segment from a documentary interviewing Jewish men who admit to massacring innocent people to found Israel in 1948.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNWuEN8h/
And there doesn't need to be a pre-established commonwealth to gather too. You just plucked that out of thin air.