Trump: You won’t have to vote again

[Mem]

This is the problem with all of this. Years ago I was discussing this in a local news forum re: the marriage arguments. Knowing this is all at root an attack against God, I told argued that this was not about marriage but was an ongoing deviation from a standard. Just as there were previous deviations, there would be continuing deviations and ultimately this would be about God creating in kinds. And once we go to that level anything goes - in practice there are no standards.

From the Theological Workbook of the Old Testament re: various Hebrew words translate as "sin":

Thus like other words related to the notion of "sin" it assumes an absolute standard or law. But, whereas pesha signifies a "revolt against the standard," and awâ means either "to deviate from the standard" or "to twist the standard," hata means "to miss, to fall short of the standard. The Greek word anomia "sin," consists of the privative prefix with the word for "law," thus "without law." Therefore judgment is implied, for the law in fact is binding even if the sinner thinks himself to be "without law."​

There is certainly biblical precedence in 'raising up a standard against the walls of Babylon,' which might seem to be unrelated but I'm not so sure. In another discussion concerning the 'deterioration' of the US regarding an erosion of the constitution, which I regard as the foundation of that which its 'standard' is representative, I do not believe that foundation to be of any substance as stubble, hay, nor wood but steel, concrete, and iron. And so, should be sufficient in enduring through any torrent of 'natural' elements' and withstand them. I mean, if it cannot, then there is none other which can.

 

[Mem]

Things like this were at the heart of the debates over Theonomy, which at root asks "By What Standard" - God's or man's?

I find it of great significance that there is no prison system within the OT law, that more of a Roman form of correction (which apparently isn't so effective). This seems to have been an elusive fact clear up to this point.

 

[studier]

There is certainly biblical precedence in 'raising up a standard against the walls of Babylon,' which might seem to be unrelated but I'm not so sure. In another discussion concerning the 'deterioration' of the US regarding an erosion of the constitution, which I regard as the foundation of that which its 'standard' is representative, I do not believe that foundation to be of any substance as stubble, hay, nor wood but steel, concrete, and iron. And so, should be sufficient in enduring through any torrent of 'natural' elements' and withstand them. I mean, if it cannot, then there is none other which can.

My choice word for this response will be "ultimately".

This is the issue with men, they make up their own standards and even those need to be upheld by even drastic means, or they ultimately mean nothing.

The USC is an example. If men are not willing to uphold it by any means, it means nothing. It most certainly has not ultimately protected us from men willing to go against it. So, again, ultimately, it's just another piece of paper. I think we're going to ultimately see what it means to men.

Welcome to the issue of laws on paper vs. laws written on the hearts of and in the minds of men and a major part of why our Lord submitted to capital punishment at the hands of His creatures.

 

[Mem]

My choice word for this response will be "ultimately".

This is the issue with men, they make up their own standards and even those need to be upheld by even drastic means, or they ultimately mean nothing.

The USC is an example. If men are not willing to uphold it by any means, it means nothing. It most certainly has not ultimately protected us from men willing to go against it. So, again, ultimately, it's just another piece of paper. I think we're going to ultimately see what it means to men.

Welcome to the issue of laws on paper vs. laws written on the hearts of and in the minds of men and a major part of why our Lord submitted to capital punishment at the hands of His creatures.

Ultimately is a nice choice since, ultimately, it will come down to standing against pretenders. An interesting find is a synonym for 'pretend' is 'dissemble' and there is nothing retrieved in a search of its antonym.

 

[Sculpt]

Is it just me, or in this speech did Trump literally say, "I'm not christian." at the 0.48 mark?

What do you hear?

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On a side note, I see his campaign put out a statement that he considers himself "a non-denominational christian". Based on that, I'm assuming he misspoke. It's kinda a funny coincidence that (I've read) he never speaks about it... and when he did, he (mis)said that he wasn't.

I'm not saying he isn't a christian. Only God knows for sure. We only have clues about his life experience with church service, bible studies, reading the bible or listening to pastors. I remember when he first ran for President and at Liberty University he said, "Two Corinthians 3:17, that's the whole ballgame. ... Is that the one you like?" Trump asked. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." The verse is etched on campus buildings.

It gave me a clue about how much he's willing to lean on (listen to) people around him who know more about specific things than he does. You know, like when you're running for President, and you're going to address America's christians by making an address at a christian college (Liberty University), and you don't first run your speech points by a... christian. You'd think there was a christian around somewhere he could have run it by first? LOL it's really very funny.

Unfortunately, it was foreshadowing of things to come. By the way, I'm not a Biden/Harris supporter. I pray for him, and hope he listens more next time around.

 

[GaryA]

Is it just me, or in this speech did Trump literally say, "I'm not christian." at the 0.48 mark?

What do you hear?

It sounds to me like he is saying "I'm a Christian" - it is just the way he is saying it that makes it seem like 'not' instead of 'a'.

Slow it down to half speed and listen to it - see if it sounds any different to you.

 

[Mem]

I listened a couple of times, the first listening for "I'm not Christian" and I could hear that. So, I listened a second time noting his body language, which seemed to confirm it, but only with a slight move toward a shake of his head but stopping quickly short. There is no clear swivel away, back, and away again to determine a clear headshake 'no.'

So, I stepped away for a minute to come back to it looked up any info the search engine might retrieve (and instead found some articles about the Olympic women boxers' making "x" signs after their defeat by a man who identifies as a woman and a slideshow listing the reason 'why millennials are moving away from religion' and another listing the 'religious beliefs debunked' which only affirmed my suspicion that the apostacy is in full swing) and just returned to have another listen and finalize my conclusion and offer response.

This time, trying to listen without 'listening for' anything, I heard, I mahh Christian" with the "aye" drawn out for an emphatic effect. The hand to the gut when saying "I" is consistent with the biblical connotation of the location of the 'heart' and the slight turn of the head an abbreviated sideways nod.

 

[Mem]

In my aside, I mentioned a slideshow detailing reasons for the millennial's movement away from (to clarify I meant institutional) religion and although one of the reasons given was a move toward other spiritual (questionable) pursuits, one of them was a move toward online communities... Hi millennials! #wavinghelloemogi

 

[studier]

I pray for him, and hope he listens more next time around.

Listens to who? Paula White?

 

[studier]

In my aside, I mentioned a slideshow detailing reasons for the millennial's movement away from (to clarify I meant institutional) religion and although one of the reasons given was a move toward other spiritual (questionable) pursuits, one of them was a move toward online communities... Hi millennials! #wavinghelloemogi

As a whole, what's to move towards? The fractured mess aka christendom? The digital version revealing the mess of different interpretations and ad hominem oriented debates also infiltrated by unbelieving, invisible trolls? The increasing failure of the "Christian Nation"? How many even know what the title "Christ" means or includes?

 

[studier]

Is it just me, or in this speech did Trump literally say, "I'm not christian." at the 0.48 mark?

What do you hear?

It's clearly "I'm a Christian." Also, he's brash and says dumb things, but he's not stupid and would not be standing in front of a few thousand Christians saying he's not Christian.

As long as he's capable, he's the choice opposed to full-blown mental illness aka spiritual depravity. The lesser of evils is all democracy is - it's a battle of numbers and an interesting experiment in an evil world - and any mature Christians should be working to make more mature Christians to override the numbers of evil. So, who's the failure in the democracy?

 

[studier]

Some food for thought re: Trump (and Vance). A businessman instead of a politician.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Dangerous man threatening our democracy.IMO he will say anything to get a vote whether It’s true or not.

How? Specifically how is he dangerous?! Four years in office, tell me exactly how he was/is dangerous??

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I guess making America great again includes a Trump dictatorship.

RA, so religious!! I would have thought he'd disdain lying, and yet there he is, telling a whopper!! Shame!!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

To be fair, democracy is a horrible idea, I don't know why people talk about it so much as if its a virtue and everyone should have it, very unbiblical, very unwise. Having the uneducated public make decisions? Wow.. What could go wrong.



This comment won't matter much either, as after 4 years he will never be president again, he will probably die soon anyway due to his age, he is no threat to democracy or anything.. The american sheep will just vote in some ultra-liberal guy the next time, only to vote for a 'conservative' the next time, and then the liberal again, and so on and so forth. The American population is DUMB. Really really dumb. Thats not to say the rest of the world doesn't do the same thing, they do, sadly people can't make up their minds.

Well, I grant you, I do agree with these two statements you made.

 

[studier]

To be fair, democracy is a horrible idea, I don't know why people talk about it so much as if its a virtue and everyone should have it, very unbiblical, very unwise. Having the uneducated public make decisions? Wow.. What could go wrong.

Just repeating.

 

[studier]

telling a whopper!!

Yup

 

[Cameron143]

Just repeating.

The problem is the uneducated public. An informed public makes good decisions. That's why liberals have taken over education.

 

[studier]

The problem is the uneducated public. An informed public makes good decisions. That's why liberals have taken over education.

Partly. And now. But the problem is in your last sentence - some of the educated who took over the education while the other educated lacked the shrewdness and resolve to do anything about it. Jesus Christ pointed out the same thing in His time. There's an odd naivety that goes along with a generally decent character.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

But we still get to vote for Kamala or Trump. Trump is trying to be a dictator and stay in power forever

That's a lie, he never said that in any serious comment.