Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

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Smoke said:
Sanctuary cities are cities that choose to not voluntarily cooperate with federal immigration/law enforcement agencies for the purposes of enforcing federal immigration laws. According to US Constitution Article I §8, immigration duties are delegated explicitly to the federal government (not city or state government). I believe all cities ought to be obliged to work with federal government but that's another discussion.
There are 18 clauses in Article 1§8 you listed above, to which clause are you referencing for immigration duties??
Thx so much.
 

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1.) Rubio Campaign Press Release - Fact Check: Donald Trump Used Illegal Immigrants to Build Trump Tower - Trump admits that there were undocumented workers but denied responsibility of actually hiring them. Meanwhile, the Judge ruled that the Trumper worker, Thomas Macari, was in fact aware the undocumented workers were doing the demolition. I don't want to further get into the weeds, but you're free to check the multitude of reports about Trump hiring illegals.

2.) You aren't capable of discerning what's in my heart because you've been wrong in every personal attack/accusation on me. The truth is, I enjoy watching Trump debate, give speeches, respect his wife and kids, etc... I think he is the funniest president in my lifetime by far. I love his impersonations too. Now, does this mean I like how he says things? No. Do I like how he exaggerates all the time? No. Do I always think he tells the truth all the time? No.

I love watching Dave Chappelle. He is perhaps one of my top 3 comedians of all time. Just because I like him doesn't mean I think he's fit to be president though. Nor does it mean I have to approve of ALL his jokes. I think part of why I like Trump and Chappelle is because I'm sometimes a little immature... I like roasts. I like parody. If Chapelle was running for president, I would have a multitude of objections... but it doesn't mean I don't like him personally. It doesn't mean that he doesn't say things he ought not to, especially if he's running for POTUS.
Now we're getting somewhere...you admitted to not liking him. Now perhaps you will come around to how unreasonable some of your positions are. And you made another admission. It isn't because you don't believe he is fit to be president. So it's personal. That's what I have been saying. But everyone but you knew this already.
 

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What specifically have I said has been unreasonable? I can do it line by line if necessary. I don't feel I've been unreasonable.
Someone who doesn't have a beef with Trump wouldn't have started such a thread. Further, even after people here have given you very understandable and reasonable explanations, you refused them. Still further, considering the state of affairs in this nation, it would be more reasonable to do everything to build Trump up, or at least focus on the real problem.
None of this resonates with you. Hence, TDS.
 

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Actually, most people refuse to even define what a "Black job" is. The ones that tried, explicitly go against the very definition he gave on what it is. You might think their verbal gymnastics is "reasonable", but it doesn't make it so, nor does it mean anyone who rebuttals it has "TDS".
I told you twice.
 

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Trump is willing to try and have a conversation at any time, anywhere with anyone. As opposed to the other side. They know she can't speak unless her speech is written for her. So they keep her away from reporters and interviews. Trump goes out there and take the a$$ kicking from the haters, from the left, from the propaganda news reporters and tries to get his message out. They wouldn't dare let her do that. They have to keep the lie going until they get her DEI but in office.
She has very little time for campaigning on the ground to galvanize the bass, before the DNC due to the Unusual circumstances this year. She now has picked her running mate and has upcoming interviews planned with him and alone.

Trump said he wold debate her anytime anywhere. And at the time he said that he still was saying he was looking forward to the planned debate.

Now he isbacking Out of the debate with ABC Claiming it’s because of an ongoing litigation with the broadcaster, although he agreed to the debate Well, the litigation was still ongoing, and it does not prevent him from being there.

He’s claiming that he agreed to debate Joe Biden on ABC and not Kamala. however, the contract he said did not list Joe Biden. It Was actually a agreement to debate the Democratic parties presumptive nominee not Biden.
 

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And you actually believe all those BOGUS polls? The pollsters love gullible people like you, since they always skew the results to favor the Left. And even legitimate polls do not properly represent the ENTIRE population. They would need huge samples of people and need to be asking straight questions. So go back and see what the pollsters said about Hillary, and how wrong they were.

The polls don’t mean much to me, but they do indicate a change worth mentioning.

When it comes to predicting the outcome of the election.

I listen to Professor Allan Lichtman he has been right the last 10 election. ( even In 2016, when the polls were predicting, Clinton)

Right now he’s predicting Harris. He says a lot would have to go wrong for the democrats to lose.
 

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She has very little time for campaigning on the ground to galvanize the bass, before the DNC due to the Unusual circumstances this year. She now has picked her running mate and has upcoming interviews planned with him and alone.
She has had over 16 days to at least answer questions, she hasn't. No reason for it.



Trump said he wold debate her anytime anywhere. And at the time he said that he still was saying he was looking forward to the planned debate.

Now he isbacking Out of the debate with ABC Claiming it’s because of an ongoing litigation with the broadcaster, although he agreed to the debate Well, the litigation was still ongoing, and it does not prevent him from being there.
I wouldn't debate her either, not on ABC. If I did it would be the person and place I chose, she has no right to make any demands. Let's hope her VP is more loyal to her than she was to her boss. She better watch her step cause if Obama sees her slip he'll get rid of her too.


He’s claiming that he agreed to debate Joe Biden on ABC and not Kamala. however, the contract he said did not list Joe Biden. It Was actually a agreement to debate the Democratic parties presumptive nominee not Biden.
Exactly, the current president, which she isn't. While he's still in office, she should shut up and stay out of it. If she's the pick now, then Biden needs to step down and shut up. No one knows who the leader of the country is. He doesn't owe her a thing. Biden is still president. One needs to go. I don't know why the GOP are being as easy about it as they are. We have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I'll go a step further for the Republican TDS:

Trump: I cured cancer.
Smoke: No you didn't... Why are you making false claims that you cured cancer?
Republican TDS: Well, I think he meant that he is for finding the cure for cancer.
Smoke: That isn't what he said though.
Republican TDS: Well Biden has dementia!
Smoke: You're not wrong, but what does that have to do with Trump's claim that he cured cancer?
Republican TDS: You have to listen to him in context!

I don't see anywhere where he said he had the cure to cancer.
 

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What specifically have I said has been unreasonable? I can do it line by line if necessary. I don't feel I've been unreasonable.
If one does not like Trump one has TDS..... so ridiculous.

You have been very reasonable.
There are plenty of reasons to not like Trump, as a person , as a leader or as a politician.
 

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Personally I just think he meant they're taking jobs in general; jobs that otherwise blacks might get. But the Donald has no sense of how others might perceive what he says. He's completely self-absorbed, and whatever he says people are supposed to just accept it as gospel. I think comments like this show how out of touch he is.

No, he speaks like a child of 12, pretty simple.
 

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Right now he’s predicting Harris. He says a lot would have to go wrong for the democrats to lose.
Of course he is predicting Harris. With millions of illegals at her disposal, and election fraud well-established, why wouldn't she steal the election? This is going to be a repeat of 2020.

Trump's focus all along should have been the "election machinery" and how to stop election fraud and illegal votes. He does not need to bother with Kamala, who has zero policies and zero capabilities to even speak two sentences which make sense.
 

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Of course he is predicting Harris. With millions of illegals at her disposal, and election fraud well-established, why wouldn't she steal the election? This is going to be a repeat of 2020.

Trump's focus all along should have been the "election machinery" and how to stop election fraud and illegal votes. He does not need to bother with Kamala, who has zero policies and zero capabilities to even speak two sentences which make sense.
those are not the reasons he list.

He has a 13 key system.

The Keys to the White House is a checklist of 13 true/false statements that pertain to the circumstances surrounding a presidential election. If five or fewer of the following statements are false, the incumbent party is predicted to win the election. If six or more are false, the incumbent party is predicted to lose.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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those are not the reasons he list.

He has a 13 key system.

The Keys to the White House is a checklist of 13 true/false statements that pertain to the circumstances surrounding a presidential election. If five or fewer of the following statements are false, the incumbent party is predicted to win the election. If six or more are false, the incumbent party is predicted to lose.
Well,you didn't count God in the equation. We don't know where we are on God's time clock. Who wins the election will give us a good idea.
 

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She has had over 16 days to at least answer questions, she hasn't. No reason for it.





I wouldn't debate her either, not on ABC. If I did it would be the person and place I chose, she has no right to make any demands. Let's hope her VP is more loyal to her than she was to her boss. She better watch her step cause if Obama sees her slip he'll get rid of her too.




Exactly, the current president, which she isn't. While he's still in office, she should shut up and stay out of it. If she's the pick now, then Biden needs to step down and shut up. No one knows who the leader of the country is. He doesn't owe her a thing. Biden is still president. One needs to go. I don't know why the GOP are being as easy about it as they are. We have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
Now let’s take your line of reasoning for a walk.

For many elections before Trump, candidates were never this contentions over the time and place of the debate. Debates happened very routinely, and it was very seldom that candidates would raise objections and if they did, they were very minor.

What makes Trump so special? Why does everyone need to cater to him? Why does he get more negotiating power in choosing the debate then his opponents?
 

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Well,you didn't count God in the equation. We don't know where we are on God's time clock. Who wins the election will give us a good idea.
It’s not my system, take it up with the Professor.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Now let’s take your line of reasoning for a walk.

For many elections before Trump, candidates were never this contentions over the time and place of the debate. Debates happened very routinely, and it was very seldom that candidates would raise objections and if they did, they were very minor.

What makes Trump so special? Why does everyone need to cater to him? Why does he get more negotiating power in choosing the debate then his opponents?
The MSM is totally in the bag for the Dems. They have been caught giving answers, saying directly what the president says, lying or covering for the Dems. And the left decided to pull a fast one yet again. Up till the last minute he was going to debate Biden. Then all of a sudden its Harris that he's suppose to debate and she's already lying about what she did and what she believed. I wouldn't debate her or give her the time of day if I were him. Not until Biden steps out and stays out. Then I would consider it.
 

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Gimme a break. Biden has made all kinds of these comments. Made them during the pandemic. The fact is illegals are taking jobs from all of us unless they are highly educated jobs. They are taking benefits from minorities is what Trumps was saying and blacks and other minorities already know that. They have no blasted right to be in the country, period. Ship them back to where they came from!!

I like the give me a break part, defending the things Trump said from from 2015 till now has me so exhausted I'm gonna take a vacation to Cozumel as soon as the election is over. As soon as he wins he said he was going on a mass deportation spree so maybe he'll force the foreigners to sell all their meat packing companies,convenience stores and fast food joints and move them all out of here. I went to his site Agenda47 and was going to post the video where he said it but all the videos are not there anymore did anyone else notice that?