Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

[Smoke]

Did you listen to yourself in this sentence?
1. They are NOT illegal immigrants. That is a misrepresentation right from the start.
2. The are FOREIGN MIGRANT INVADERS. So we need the truth here and you will not get it from the Left. But you are willing to deceive yourself.
3. They include all the scum from other countries -- hardened criminals, rapists, murderers, child traffickers, human traffickers, the mentally insane, and also terrorists.
4. They include (to a large degree) single military age men who are already trying to subvert the country and are ready to work for China and the Muslim terrorists.
5. The have poured in by the millions, and even attacked those who wanted to stop them at the border. This has changed the demographics negatively.
6. They have actually been ENCOURAGED to break immigration laws to begin with, and after they commit crimes in the USA, they are immediately excused from accountability.
7. They have in fact committed many heinous crimes in the USA, and will continue to do so.
8. They have formed criminal gangs in NY City, and have terrorized and robbed innocent citizens.
9. All the levels of government have altogether spent BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to maintain them free of charge at tax payer expense, and also given them royal treatment to buy votes.
10. They have put veterans, seniors, and law-abiding citizens at a disadvantage by having benefits diverted to them from those who should have rightfully received them.

And you believe that the lawful citizens of America should not fear these monsters? If you lived in the centers where they have gathered by the thousands, and had a family, you would not fear for your family and yourself if they invaded your home, and treat all this as NORMAL? In view of all this are fears being "exaggerated" or the exact opposite? Do you even see the insanity of this whole thing.

Illegal Alien TikToker Who Urged Migrants To Invade US Homes Reportedly Worked For Venezuela’s Military Intel (infowars.com)

Have you ever seen American History X? Your post reminded of a scene (in the past where it is filmed in black and white) where he is talking to a group of disenfranchised White kids before going into a grocery store (owned by immigrants) and stealing/vandalizing it. In his speech, he uses certain language to describe these illegal immigrants and gives legitimate stats. I think that is how Satan works. He uses legitimate truths and mixes it with terrible prescriptions.

To respond substantively to your post, I don't fear illegal immigrants, especially since statistically they are less likely to harm me than an American per Texas data. HOWEVER, I do not want illegal immigration. I want people to come in LEGALLY and get paid what the average American would get paid to do the same job. I don't want them to be exploited by selfish, greedy, and criminal employers who hire illegal immigrants to pay them pennies on the dollar.

 

[Mem]

My thoughts on illegal immigration: BOTH parties pretend they want legal immigration but secretly enable illegal immigration. I would only argue it's slightly more self-evident that Democrats are cool with illegal immigration. If Republicans are wanting to crack down on this, why not TARGET the people who hire illegal immigrants? Give them 20 or 30 year sentences. Republicans claim to be the party of law and order and be tough on crime, yeah? Instead of going for the people hiring illegals, we vilify illegal immigrants who come to the US and do jobs for pennies on the dollar in comparison to what the employer would have to pay an American to do.

It's exploitative to use illegal immigrants in this way. Sure, illegal immigrants are breaking the law by coming here, but if we eliminate what is attracting them (Americans willing to hire them so they can pay them pennies on the dollar for their labor), then we de-incentivize illegal immigration. Why would they come if no one is going to hire them?

Also, I won't be a hypocrite and say I wouldn't do the same thing as them. If coming here illegally means I could provide a better living for my family, I might do it... The one that has the greater sin are the ones hiring the illegal immigrants. They are not only breaking the law, but they are exploiting children of God by paying them only pennies on the dollar in comparison to an American worker. They are so desperate to provide a living they are willing to take those pennies. It's really sad.

There is an obvious problem in need of address, no one can argue that. And I'd like to trust it would be addressed humanely, whatever side of the bother is concerned. But looking at it from the flip side of the issue, addressing it with the same ideology that caused a mass emigration, i.e. a socialist governance, would seem to me counterproductive plan.

 

[ZNP]

Why don't we start simple?
Explain to me your understanding of what a "black job" is. Or "getting paid under the table" means.

Did Trump refer to "getting paid under the table"? I did not hear that.

Once again, I have shared at least three times how I understood Trumps responses in this interview. I have also said I consider this discussion absurd. I have checked dictionaries and find that those who are offended are using obsolete definitions last used in 1870, a term that hasn't been commonly used since Slavery. I think their using that definition is intentionally designed to appeal to the woke mob of whiny little weasels. My understanding was based on the context of speaking at the NABJ and being questioned by a rude interviewer who identified as a "black journalist".

 

[Eli1]

Did Trump refer to "getting paid under the table"? I did not hear that.

Once again, I have shared at least three times how I understood Trumps responses in this interview. I have also said I consider this discussion absurd. I have checked dictionaries and find that those who are offended are using obsolete definitions last used in 1870, a term that hasn't been commonly used since Slavery. I think their using that definition is intentionally designed to appeal to the woke mob of whiny little weasels. My understanding was based on the context of speaking at the NABJ and being questioned by a rude interviewer who identified as a "black journalist".

I saw your replies here but you seem a bit oblivious to the term "black jobs" which is why we're having this discussion.
I also said that me personally understood it as him addressing the audience. But, i also said that others did not perceive it that way because it came across as racist.
This is why we are discussing the English language now. We are no longer discussing Trump in relation to his meeting there.
Can you explain to me what "black jobs" means to you?

 

[Smoke]

There is an obvious problem in need of address, no one can argue that. And I'd like to trust it would be addressed humanely, whatever side of the bother is concerned. But looking at it from the flip side of the issue, addressing it with the same ideology that caused a mass emigration, i.e. a socialist governance, would seem to me counterproductive plan.

Agreed on your point of a socialist governance being counterproductive. I just wonder why we almost never hear about targeting employers who hire illegal immigrants. I'm sure we might arrest a few here and there, but if you get rid of the incentive to come here illegally, you drastically reduce people coming here automatically. I wish this point could be part of the Republican platform.

 

[ZNP]

I saw your replies here but you seem a bit oblivious to the term "black jobs" which is why we're having this discussion.
I also said that me personally understood it as him addressing the audience. But, i also said that others did not perceive it that way because it came across as racist.
This is why we are discussing the English language now. We are no longer discussing Trump in relation to his meeting there.
Can you explain to me what "black jobs" means to you?

it depends on the context. The way these pundits on the MSM use it has a different meaning to me than the way Trump used it.

My understanding of Trump was he was there to appeal to a group whose concern was issues affecting the Black community. As a result he was pointing out that Biden/Harris policies are taking away their jobs.

The way the MSM uses it I feel they are similar to rock climbers. When you go rock climbing you look for little cracks in the wall that you can put bolts and hangers for your rope. They are climbing the sheer rock wall known as "Trump is a racist pig" and they feel they have found a tiny crack they can use and they are trying to make the most of it to sow division, something that God finds to be abominable. So anyone who pursues this narrative to me is abominable, either a useful idiot for those who are abominable or actually abominable.

The reason I posted on this thread was to see if I had made a mistake in my initial judgment. After being on this thread I have come to the conclusion that I didn't make a mistake.

I do believe there could be someone, somewhere in this country that is over 100 years old and could find that term "black job" offensive. But I also do not buy that someone who identifies themself as a "black journalist" is being honest when they feign outrage over this term.

 

[Mem]

Agreed on your point of a socialist governance being counterproductive. I just wonder why we almost never hear about targeting employers who hire illegal immigrants. I'm sure we might arrest a few here and there, but if you get rid of the incentive to come here illegally, you drastically reduce people coming here automatically. I wish this point could be part of the Republican platform.

In business theory, as long as there's a demand for the supply, the market will meet it. And, when the market is flooded with supply then that will push down the cost of the goods but if the law requires a minimum price, only the lawful will pay that price (and I use that phrase to encompass the entire spectrum of that impact).

 

[Eli1]

it depends on the context. The way these pundits on the MSM use it has a different meaning to me than the way Trump used it.

My understanding of Trump was he was there to appeal to a group whose concern was issues affecting the Black community. As a result he was pointing out that Biden/Harris policies are taking away their jobs.

The way the MSM uses it I feel they are similar to rock climbers. When you go rock climbing you look for little cracks in the wall that you can put bolts and hangers for your rope. They are climbing the sheer rock wall known as "Trump is a racist pig" and they feel they have found a tiny crack they can use and they are trying to make the most of it to sow division, something that God finds to be abominable. So anyone who pursues this narrative to me is abominable, either a useful idiot for those who are abominable or actually abominable.

Oh my God.
Okay. Let me explain to you what "black jobs" means.

When talking to people about "getting paid under the table" it means that you're getting paid in cash. This term exists because illegals don't have documents and the owner of a business has to pay them in cash obviously because they have no papers.
They get paid very low and they do very hard and dirty jobs. Like cleaning toilets, scrubbing floors, cleaning the areas outside or doing minor construction jobs which involve hard labor with long hours and little pay.
"Getting paid under the table" is also something that college kids use (who are legal) when they work at pizza shops because they don't want to appear on taxes as earning money so they can get more government help with tuitions.
The owners of the businesses also have to do a little finessing around of their documents to show that they are paying people with check because if they get audited they can get fined for paying people with cash.

Now, the term "black jobs" means exactly the above but with the background history of blacks in America being slaves who did all the lowest, dirtiest hardest jobs and got paid very little if none.

This is why the term "black jobs" is offensive.
Makes sense?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Harris went to Atlanta to speak, and started quoting black rappers and had a black female rapper do a song onstage while shaking her butt, yet no comments on that? She pandered to what she believed would sway a black audience. Not by discussing topics related to black people but by trying to act ghetto. And yet nothing about that. Huh...

I always love the fake southern accent they try to use when they need it. Always good for a laugh.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Looks more like a guy who's family emigrated from Germany had a son who being legally born in the US and qualifies to run for POTUS is worried about a Jamaican /Indian whose family also emigrated to the US and had a daughter who then being born in the US also qualifies to run for POTUS. Is the office of POTUS a black job, and who are the immigrants he thinks are trying to take it?

Gimme a break. Biden has made all kinds of these comments. Made them during the pandemic. The fact is illegals are taking jobs from all of us unless they are highly educated jobs. They are taking benefits from minorities is what Trumps was saying and blacks and other minorities already know that. They have no blasted right to be in the country, period. Ship them back to where they came from!!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Oh my God.
Okay. Let me explain to you what "black jobs" means.

When talking to people about "getting paid under the table" it means that you're getting paid in cash. This term exists because illegals don't have documents and the owner of a business has to pay them in cash obviously because they have no papers.
They get paid very low and they do very hard and dirty jobs. Like cleaning toilets, scrubbing floors, cleaning the areas outside or doing minor construction jobs which involve hard labor with long hours and little pay.
"Getting paid under the table" is also something that college kids use (who are legal) when they work at pizza shops because they don't want to appear on taxes as earning money so they can get more government help with tuitions.
The owners of the businesses also have to do a little finessing around of their documents to show that they are paying people with check because if they get audited they can get fined for paying people with cash.

Now, the term "black jobs" means exactly the above but with the background history of blacks in America being slaves who did all the lowest, dirtiest hardest jobs and got paid very little if none.

This is why the term "black jobs" is offensive.
Makes sense?

He should have used the term minority jobs. That is what is being taken. It's just Dems like to keep the term black "touchy" so they can keep them on the gov't dole and their modern day plantations. Blacks with a brain in their heads, they get it. They can't afford groceries, gas, heat, a new home, just like the rest of us. And they see the benefits going to illegals and they have every right to be angry. Dems only care about blacks when it comes election time. More blacks are waking up to see that truth. Harris of all people could care less about blacks.

 

[Eli1]

He should have used the term minority jobs. That is what is being taken. It's just Dems like to keep the term black "touchy" so they can keep them on the gov't dole and their modern day plantations. Blacks with a brain in their heads, they get it. They can't afford groceries, gas, heat, a new home, just like the rest of us. And they see the benefits going to illegals and they have every right to be angry. Dems only care about blacks when it comes election time. More blacks are waking up to see that truth. Harris of all people could care less about blacks.

If he wanted to relate to his audience he should have said "Illegals are taking jobs from black people" and they'd love him for saying that.
But because he doesn't think a lot and shoots from the hip, is why he's such a fun guy.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Actually, "fear" tactics fit both. The topics are absolutely linked.



I am not convinced Trump is a racist either. That isn't the point. A non-racist can still use race and exaggerate fear of illegal immigrants killing you though, right?

Also, in your long-winded post, you never actually explained or expanded on what a "Black" job is and which ones the illegal immigrants are taking. We can agree all day long that Obama and Kamala do the same thing, but fortunately, almost no one here will be voting for them here. There seems to be an echo-chamber here, but it's not for Democrats.

Listen, I don't care what the stats are. These people are coming here illegally. They are raping girls and women. They murdered a mother with five, I believe, children. Not that the number matters. They have no mother. And that is because people are in this country illegally. If the border wasn't wide open these people would still be alive. As Trump has said, the aren't sending their best. They shouldn't be here. They are taking minority jobs, but it doesn't matter. They are breaking the law, send them back. Period. Problem solved.

 

[Nehemiah6]

HOWEVER, I do not want illegal immigration. I want people to come in LEGALLY and get paid what the average American would get paid to do the same job[/QUOTE]Then stop calling them illegal "immigrants". By definition immigrants enter the country LEGALLY and then try to be good, law-abiding citizens.

But you have not said a word about what should be done with foreign migrant invaders. What about rounding them all up and DEPORTING them to Mexico? Regardless of where they came from Mexico and its cartels are directly responsible for placing them at the border and then helping them to enter illegally. And this does not even address the flooding of the USA with fentanyl from China, so that Americans can die daily.

When Governor Abbott tried to stop this invasion, Biden actually went to court to keep the illegals flowing in illegally! And while he was doing that he flew them in from Panama secretly and illegally,. and dumped them in the heartland of America. Think of the CRIMINALITY of all this, and the treason involved. Mayorkas actually provided these invaders with an app to help them enter illegally, and he was not impeached, let alone locked up for a long time.

 

[Billyd]

If he wanted to relate to his audience he should have said "Illegals are taking jobs from black people" and they'd love him for saying that.
But because he doesn't think a lot and shoots from the hip, is why he's such a fun guy.

He should have said that "Illegals are taking jobs from poor people".

 

[Eli1]

He should have said that "Illegals are taking jobs from poor people".

That would work too if he was at an unemployment center with poor people. But not with blacks in that audience because that would appear as "blacks are poor". It would be racist again.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Trump went to the NABJ conference because he was making significant gains with black men. Your analysis of the interview is irrelevant. The reality is that black men do not view his appearance as favorably as you do.

Thus his strategy was unsuccessful and should not be defended. This is why Trump is losing in the polls. Because instead of learning from his campaign failures he doubles down.

Trump is willing to try and have a conversation at any time, anywhere with anyone. As opposed to the other side. They know she can't speak unless her speech is written for her. So they keep her away from reporters and interviews. Trump goes out there and take the a$$ kicking from the haters, from the left, from the propaganda news reporters and tries to get his message out. They wouldn't dare let her do that. They have to keep the lie going until they get her DEI but in office.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Enjoy what exactly?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump can be hilarious. Thoroughly entertaining even. Does this mean I shouldn't question what he says sometimes? Does this mean he is immune from any sort of criticism? I don't want to do with Trump what the media has been doing for Biden for 4 years. I'm just a bit tired of the double-standards.

Trump has always been open to go and speak. He's been open to go where he's hated. He takes the whipping and keeps on. You don't need to question Trump, we all know what he thinks. You need to question Harris, she has said zip. Put the spotlight where it belongs.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But because he doesn't think a lot and shoots from the hip, is why he's such a fun guy.

And this is where he always gets into trouble. Mr Trump -- pause a moment -- and THINK before you speak. Millions are listening to every word you say, and you are surrounded by hostile enemies. Learn lessons from Sun Tzu.

Of course, if you compare Trump's words with Biden's whoppes and bumbling gaffes (and reading teleprompter instructions and instructions written on cards to guide him through his mumbling and bumbling) , there is no comparison. But the Leftist media never once exposed Biden for what he truly is. And now they are inventing Kamala Harris as the "savior" of the USA instead of exposing her (and Walz) for what they are -- dangerous enemy of America and the American people.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is why Trump is losing in the polls.

And you actually believe all those BOGUS polls? The pollsters love gullible people like you, since they always skew the results to favor the Left. And even legitimate polls do not properly represent the ENTIRE population. They would need huge samples of people and need to be asking straight questions. So go back and see what the pollsters said about Hillary, and how wrong they were.