Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

[ZNP]

When he said that : " A "Black job" is anybody that has a job " i took that again in reference to his audience but again knowing that Donald speaks from the gut and doesn't put a lot of thought into things, then it could also be interpreted as "dirty jobs that no Americans want to do" and by saying that to a black audience, that would be offensive and some were offended.
But others weren't because maybe they thought that the second meaning didn't apply.
Again this is the type of entertainment that is caused by Trump's comments.

Just so I'm clear they are not offended at an organization called "national association of Black journalists" but they are offended at the term "black jobs"? My dad and mom were both journalists and that was a job. Now if we had said "white journalists" that would have been offensive to many. It seems very ironic and hypocritical that they all saw themselves as black journalists and yet were offended by the term "black jobs". Also, isn't that the emphasis on DEI to make sure that we don't have systemic bias we have to make sure we have enough blacks and other minorities doing certain jobs? I asked for clarification from Smoke why "Black journalists" is not offensive while "Black jobs" is but have still not gotten any answer.

 

[ZNP]

Eh, I'm pretty anti-woke. I do better with being factual and not being excessively hyperbolic. I also don't inject race into things like jobs either. That's a tactic of the woke.

OK, but you still haven't answered my question to you. Why were they not offended to call themselves "Black journalists" but are offended by the term "black jobs"?

 

[Eli1]

Just so I'm clear they are not offended at an organization called "national association of Black journalists" but they are offended at the term "black jobs"? My dad and mom were both journalists and that was a job. Now if we had said "white journalists" that would have been offensive to many. It seems very ironic and hypocritical that they all saw themselves as black journalists and yet were offended by the term "black jobs". Also, isn't that the emphasis on DEI to make sure that we don't have systemic bias we have to make sure we have enough blacks and other minorities doing certain jobs? I asked for clarification from Smoke why "Black journalists" is not offensive while "Black jobs" is but have still not gotten any answer.

I think some were offended because the term "black job" is something that they took as "dirty jobs that no one wants to do so those are the jobs that the black people are supposed to do". That would be offensive and some took it as offensive.

 

[Tamarisk]

I'm not talking about how many came in during Biden's term, I'm talking about the total number of illegals in the US, that number I was told by a congressman was a conservative estimate.

The link I provided gave the total number of unlawful immigrants in the country in 2022, which was 11 million. And 8.3 undocumented workers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...-the-us/sr_24-07-22_unauthorizedimmigrants_2/

 

[Smoke]

If you're out of work, you take whatever job is available, unless you have the skills that provides you options. So, even if he was speaking of unskilled jobs, not even those are available is filled by someone that is lawfully 'unqualified.'

So I can understand your point better, what do you think he meant by a "Black job" being anyone with a job?

As far as there being a shortage of unskilled jobs due to illegal immigrants taking them, that is anything BUT true. If you are up-to-date on employment in the US, there is actually a HUGE labor shortage going on. This is more misinformation. I would advise looking into the labor shortages.

To expand briefly on a possible reason why I think there is such a great labor shortage is that the US (and most other developed countries for that matter) has had a decrease birth rate and is continuing to trend in that direction. I also blame feminism for why there is a decreased birth rate. If the trend continues, we are going to have to outsource more employees from other less developed nations (they ought to be legal though).

 

[Smoke]

Just so I'm clear they are not offended at an organization called "national association of Black journalists" but they are offended at the term "black jobs"? My dad and mom were both journalists and that was a job. Now if we had said "white journalists" that would have been offensive to many. It seems very ironic and hypocritical that they all saw themselves as black journalists and yet were offended by the term "black jobs". Also, isn't that the emphasis on DEI to make sure that we don't have systemic bias we have to make sure we have enough blacks and other minorities doing certain jobs? I asked for clarification from Smoke why "Black journalists" is not offensive while "Black jobs" is but have still not gotten any answer.

Truthfully, I had no idea what your point was. This post clarified your question.

From every report of this, I didn't hear ANYONE complain about being offended of the term "Black job" but rather, Trump's inability, or the Biden'esque definition, he gave for it. Your point is that people object to the term "Black job", but mine was the definition he gave for it. I can't make a case for something I didn't object to in the first place.

My question to you, is being president of the US a "Black job" since it meets his definition? Why is Trump campaigning for a "Black job" if he's not Black? I look forward to your response.

 

[Smoke]

I think some were offended because the term "black job" is something that they took as "dirty jobs that no one wants to do so those are the jobs that the black people are supposed to do". That would be offensive and some took it as offensive.

You are correct sister. But when you can't justify such an insane definition, it's easier for his disciples to change the argument up and object about something no one was objecting to in the first place.

 

[ZNP]

You just exposed Harris to all 1 of her supporters on this site. Thanks for obfuscating and not expanding on what a "Black job" is. You win the internet for the day!

I am not an interpreter for Trump anymore than I was willing to be an interpreter for Biden or Harris when they say things that are unintelligible.

What I will say is how I understood what he was saying. There are 45 million illegals in this country (that is a conservative estimate and only half of them came over during Biden's administration, so he is not to blame for all of them). I think we can all assume that for the majority of them they have to find work to support themselves. Yes there are probably a very small minority that are involved with cartels and some kind of illegal occupation, but let's focus on all the hard working ones trying to support themselves. Since they are illegal they probably work for cash, don't pay taxes and yet still get a variety of benefits including living in shelters and eating at soup kitchens. We can assume they are not taking white collar jobs nor are they living in wealthy suburbs. So they are using resources in poorer neighborhoods. I was a teacher and having a number of poor kids who didn't speak english definitely has an impact on the quality of education every student in that school gets. Now we had 400 students and only 2 were white. Growing up I went to school in a wealthy suburb and just about every student was white. So if we can be honest the impact of the illegal immigrants impacts poorer inner city neighborhoods quite differently than it does wealthy suburbs. In the wealthy suburbs they will hire day laborers and nannys and other workers on a per day cash basis, so the illegal immigrants makes life less expensive in the wealthy suburbs while taking away resources and services in the poorer inner city neighborhoods.

So to answer the question "what is a black job" it is a reference to the fact that 45 million people are trying to do jobs that do not require a college education and they are taking those jobs away from American citizens. Why would Trump refer to those jobs as "black jobs" when no doubt you can find people of every race and ethnicity doing manual labor. I thought he said that because he was speaking to "black journalists" and assumed that "black journalists" were concerned about "black jobs". Perhaps "black journalists" are also concerned about white jobs and latino jobs and asian jobs, but if so then it is strange to me they would call themselves an association of black journalists.

It reminds me of the dust up over "Black lives matter" because of its racists insinuations. The name implies that to cops Black lives are less important than other races (when in fact statistically it was shown cops are significantly less likely to shoot a black person that is presenting the same perceived threat as other races). Then they got offended with people who said "All lives matter" which to me was further proof that this name did insinuate racists attitudes and they got offended at those who said "Blue lives matter" even though it was clear a cop was far more likely to be shot and killed on the job than an innocent black person was.

Personally I agree with Morgan Freeman, stop talking about race and that starts with associations like BLM and NABJ.

 

[ZNP]

My question to you, is being president of the US a "Black job" since it meets his definition? Why is Trump campaigning for a "Black job" if he's not Black? I look forward to your response.

The definition he gave was any job that a black person does, not "any job that only black people do". So there is no contradiction. Just because we had a black man as president does not mean that henceforth only black men should be president.

 

[Cameron143]

This is all ridiculous. He simply meant blacks were losing jobs too.

 

[Smoke]

OK, but you still haven't answered my question to you. Why were they not offended to call themselves "Black journalists" but are offended by the term "black jobs"?

No one was offended by the term "Black jobs", but criticizing his definition of what one is. I think you're pretending not to understand this.

Trump stated a "Black job" is anyone who has a job. So, is the position of the president of the US considered a "Black job" by his definition? Sounds like it... Then why is he campaigning for a "Black job" if he isn't Black?

 

[Eli1]

This is all ridiculous. He simply meant blacks were losing jobs too.

Yeah that's how i understood it too but his choice of words is always entertaining and some didn't understand it as that.

 

[ZNP]

I think some were offended because the term "black job" is something that they took as "dirty jobs that no one wants to do so those are the jobs that the black people are supposed to do". That would be offensive and some took it as offensive.

That is a lie that is being perpetrated by those who want the illegals in our country.

For example, we have OSHA and all kinds of rules that make all jobs relatively clean and safe. The reason they want illegals to do the work is because they are behaving illegally and if the illegals complain they simply round them up in the night and ship them back across the border.

Many of the jobs they do are in meat packing industry. You can get people from every race and ethnicity wanting to work there as long as they are following the laws and standards of OSHA, so it isn't that they are doing jobs that others don't want to do, it is that the business owners don't want to follow the laws and so they need people who can't complain.

 

[Eli1]

That is a lie that is being perpetrated by those who want the illegals in our country.

For example, we have OSHA and all kinds of rules that make all jobs relatively clean and safe. The reason they want illegals to do the work is because they are behaving illegally and if the illegals complain they simply round them up in the night and ship them back across the border.

Many of the jobs they do are in meat packing industry. You can get people from every race and ethnicity wanting to work there as long as they are following the laws and standards of OSHA, so it isn't that they are doing jobs that others don't want to do, it is that the business owners don't want to follow the laws and so they need people who can't complain.

WHAT? Are you for real bro? Do you even speak English?

 

[ZNP]

No one was offended by the term "Black jobs", but criticizing his definition of what one is. I think you're pretending not to understand this.

Trump stated a "Black job" is anyone who has a job. So, is the position of the president of the US considered a "Black job" by his definition? Sounds like it... Then why is he campaigning for a "Black job" if he isn't Black?

How is that offensive. Black journalists are by that definition doing a "black job". They are the ones who have defined it that way, not him. My parents were both journalists and we never considered "white journalists" or "hispanic journalists" or any other term like that.

To me the question is "why do you have an association of black journalists"? Are they "protecting black jobs"?

 

[Smoke]

The definition he gave was any job that a black person does, not "any job that only black people do". So there is no contradiction. Just because we had a black man as president does not mean that henceforth only black men should be president.

Can you refer to the video, or any other video if you prefer, and call out the timestamp he says "Any job that a Black person does" please?

He clearly doesn't say that in this video. Perhaps this was AI generated?

Let's pretend Trump said a "Black job" is "any Black person with a job". Does he mean that illegal immigrants are exclusively finding only the Black people with jobs and getting them fired so they can take their place? Remember, the goal post has been shifted and it now means "any Black person with a job"... so this does not include unemployed Black people as they clearly have no job. Please explain.

 

[ZNP]

WHAT? Are you for real bro? Do you even speak English?

Yes I speak english and yes I know why Biden and his donors want to open the border to illegals. there are many industries that are highly regulated because they are unsafe. Those regulations cost a lot of money. Hiring illegals who can't complain when you don't follow the regulations saves money. When they do complain they get rounded up and shipped back across the border. This has been well documented many times. I am surprised everyone on this thread does not realize that is why the illegals are brought into the country, to get around OSHA regulations.

 

[Eli1]

Yes I speak english and yes I know why Biden and his donors want to open the border to illegals. there are many industries that are highly regulated because they are unsafe. Those regulations cost a lot of money. Hiring illegals who can't complain when you don't follow the regulations saves money. When they do complain they get rounded up and shipped back across the border. This has been well documented many times. I am surprised everyone on this thread does not realize that is why the illegals are brought into the country, to get around OSHA regulations.

I don't think you do. A "black job" or "getting paid under the table" means a dirty job or a low level job. So by saying that to black people, some interpreted it as "these are the jobs that blacks are supposed to do".
Did you say you were an English teacher?

 

[Smoke]

How is that offensive. Black journalists are by that definition doing a "black job". They are the ones who have defined it that way, not him. My parents were both journalists and we never considered "white journalists" or "hispanic journalists" or any other term like that.

To me the question is "why do you have an association of black journalists"? Are they "protecting black jobs"?

Really? So jobs now identify as being Black? If a transgender does a job, is that job now a "transgender job" using your logic? In your other post you said "Personally I agree with Morgan Freeman, stop talking about race and that starts with associations like BLM and NABJ." But you're actually outwoking the woke people because now jobs identify as "Black" which can then be extrapolated as a job potentially being a "transgender job". That's madness!

 

[ZNP]

Can you refer to the video, or any other video if you prefer, and call out the timestamp he says "Any job that a Black person does" please?

He clearly doesn't say that in this video. Perhaps this was AI generated?

Let's pretend Trump said a "Black job" is "any Black person with a job". Does he mean that illegal immigrants are exclusively finding only the Black people with jobs and getting them fired so they can take their place? Remember, the goal post has been shifted and it now means "any Black person with a job"... so this does not include unemployed Black people as they clearly have no job. Please explain.

You are asking me to be a spokesperson for Trump, I am not. I cannot tell you what he meant, I can tell you how I understood what he said.

My understanding was this. He is talking to the National Association of Black Journalists, he assumed they were concerned about issues involving the Black community, hence he focused on how this was impacting the Black community. It is taking your jobs.

If it had been the National Association of Native American Journalists, or the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, or the National Association of Asian journalists he would have told them it was taking their jobs as well.

I have a master's degree and was a "Professional", what was considered a white collar job. But despite that growing up I worked doing yard work, I worked as a baby sitter, I worked in a fast food restaurant, I worked in construction and I did other manual labor. Just because someone is doing white collar work doesn't mean their kids aren't having their jobs taken or their cousins, or their friends, or their neighbors. I think people have become whiny little thin skinned weasels. Personally I do not know anyone who would be offended by this, so I think these little weasels work in the MSM trying to find things to be offended about. When I hear the term "black job" I think of the NBA, why didn't anyone point out that these immigrants are coming over here to play professional sports?