Dan 9:25 7 weeks & 62 weeks

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Everlasting-Grace

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Really, and even tho the Romans were in their land it was not a troubled time. They were building Jerusalem and the Temple, celebrating their feasts, married, planted and harvested and travel was not hindered. The troubled time is in our time!
Yes,

There is a pagan temple in what they call the temple mount, For anyone to say it is not desolate even today would be odd.
 

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70 weeks split into 3 parts

- 7 weeks or 49 years for restoration and reconstruction (457 BC - 408 BC)
- 69 weeks or 434 years until the coming of the Messiah (457 BC -27 AD)
- Final week of Messiahs ministry (27 AD - 34 AD)

My understanding differs on the final week from what has been posted already.

Daniel 9:26 and v27 are meant to be read together as one event.
Agree up to here
Dan 9v27 He =Messiah (see previous verse v 26) confirms the covenant (the New Testament) first with Jews for one week = 7 years - His ministry started in 27 AD, then it would go to the gentiles at the end of that week.
This is where we differ.

the prince is of the people who is to come that destroyed the city, Which would not take place until 70 AD

Jesus did nto confirm any covenant with anyone for 1 week (7 years) He purchosed an eternal covenant for the world on the cross.. but not 7 years.

In the midst of the week = 3 and half years into the Messiahs ministry, (He shall be cut off = Crucified, v26) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease = the old covenant comes to an end. (after 3 and half more years after the crucifixion the gospel was preached to the gentiles - Acts 8:5).
But it does not say this, the events of the 1 week are long after 70 AD. And jesus did not cause sacrifice and burnt offering to cease, the next year, the high preist did the same sacrifice they did year after year which never took away sin.

The sacrifice and burnt offering is ceased when an abominable object is placed in the Holy Place rendering it unclean, we have an example of this when artexerxes slaughtered a pig in the holy place. rendring it unclean. Jesus spoke of this even again as a future event, and said when you (let the reader understand) see this, RUN!! for then there will be great tribulation such has not been seen before or after
The rest of Dan 9v27 concerns the judgement upon the Jews who continued with the sacrifices, and God used the Roman Army in 70 AD to bring judgement to them, (and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary v26), the people of the prince, were the Romans, the prince leading the assault was Prince Titus, the future Emperor.
Vs 27 has not yet happened. non of the events have taken place yet.

and it is the future prince who is granted authority to go after the saints and kill them.. The jews are told to run to the mountains where God will protect them
 
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Agree up to here

This is where we differ.

the prince is of the people who is to come that destroyed the city, Which would not take place until 70 AD

Jesus did nto confirm any covenant with anyone for 1 week (7 years) He purchosed an eternal covenant for the world on the cross.. but not 7 years.


But it does not say this, the events of the 1 week are long after 70 AD. And jesus did not cause sacrifice and burnt offering to cease, the next year, the high preist did the same sacrifice they did year after year which never took away sin.

The sacrifice and burnt offering is ceased when an abominable object is placed in the Holy Place rendering it unclean, we have an example of this when artexerxes slaughtered a pig in the holy place. rendring it unclean. Jesus spoke of this even again as a future event, and said when you (let the reader understand) see this, RUN!! for then there will be great tribulation such has not been seen before or after

Vs 27 has not yet happened. non of the events have taken place yet.

and it is the future prince who is granted authority to go after the saints and kill them.. The jews are told to run to the mountains where God will protect them
I did say that my understanding differs on the final week :)
 

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Two questions to ask about the popular understanding about the weeks.

1. Where does it say to use a year for a day for the 69 weeks then use a day for a day for the final week?
2. Where does it say to have the 69 weeks consecutive, but then have a 2000 year plus gap before the final week?
the answer to your first question is there is no answer, I do not know what your talking about

the answer to number 2 is in the text.

1. There will be 69 weeks from the comand to restore jersualem until messiah the prince. This is confirmed
2. He will then be cut off (killed) this happened the following weekend
3. almost 40 years later, the city will be destroyed, and left desolate, and will remain desolate for a period of time which is unknown. we are still in this time period
4. The next event is the prince who is to come will confirm a covenant with many for 1 week (7 years) Many people believe this is a peace agreement, I am not sure it does nto say, but we have things like this today, a cease fire agreement, which is made between 2 parties at war for a time period. in this context. the time period would be 7 years or 1 week)
5. In the middle of the week, that same prince will place an abominable object in the wing of the temple, which will cause sacrifice and burnt offering which are happening in that day, to cease)
6. Jesus said, when you see this event, run, for then their will be a great tribulation until he returns.
7, We are told the time of this event, Israel will run and be protected for times time and half a time, for 1225 days she will be protected. and the future prince will be given 3.5 years to rule and go after the saints or the children of the woman (jerusalem)
8. Then Christ returns, and destroys the beast the false prophet and locks satan up for 1000 years.

most of it is in the text. the rest you have to go outside the text to other texts which also speak of this time to put the puzzle together
 

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My view is that the 70 weeks are already fulfilled. Just to chime in there. :)
ouch.. So much for the promise of God concerning daniels people and his nation. and to the world which he will come to save and restore
 

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If the Lord intended us to understand the 70 sevens as 490 years he would have told us so such as in 1 Kings 6:1.

In the four hundred and eightieth year after the people of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, he began to build the house of the Lord.

The Hebrew language is quite capable of writing larger numbers.

The sevens used in Daniel's prophecy can be seven of anything and it was written this way for a reason.

So I am going to suggest the sevens spoke of in 62 sevens are Passover weeks. I believe the Lord was counting years here using the Feast of Passover meaning 62 years.

Israel had Jerusalem returned during the six day war in 1967.

1967 plus 62 years equals year 2029.
where are you getting this from?
 

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The man of sin arrived on the scene a very long time ago

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The papacy sits in the temple of God, that is, it arose in the church, the claim of Infallibility is "sitting as God in the temple.

A newly-elected Pope is adored and styled "Lord God, the Pope."

In the middle ages the papacy burnt bibles and persecuted and killed the saints, up until the French Revolution
Then Christ should have returned along time ago. Because the man of sin is given a short time to rule.. and he will be defeated personally by Christ.
 
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If the Lord intended us to understand the 70 sevens as 490 years he would have told us so such as in 1 Kings 6:1.

In the four hundred and eightieth year after the people of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, he began to build the house of the Lord.

The Hebrew language is quite capable of writing larger numbers.

The sevens used in Daniel's prophecy can be seven of anything and it was written this way for a reason.

So I am going to suggest the sevens spoke of in 62 sevens are Passover weeks. I believe the Lord was counting years here using the Feast of Passover meaning 62 years.

Israel had Jerusalem returned during the six day war in 1967.

1967 plus 62 years equals year 2029.

What are you expecting in the year 2029 ? I understand the point of views expressed by Everlasting Grace and Nehemiah6, but your view I find baffling
 

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Really, and even tho the Romans were in their land it was not a troubled time. They were building Jerusalem and the Temple, celebrating their feasts, married, planted and harvested and travel was not hindered. The troubled time is in our time!
Hi @Omegatime

You're allowing this to lead you to the wrong time. The Romans weren't even around at the time that this prophecy speaks of. The rebuilding of Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures, was rebuilt in troublesome times. The Scriptures account that they had to rush to build the wall and so encompassed some homes as a part of the wall and as the men worked, they had a brick in one hand and a sword in the other. Rome wasn't even in the picture when Jerusalem was rebuilt.

God bless,
Ted
 

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What are you expecting in the year 2029 ? I understand the point of views expressed by Everlasting Grace and Nehemiah6, but your view I find baffling
The understanding I gave falls in line with other of Daniel's prophecies.

I did not keep anything from you when I gave the explanation of the 1335 days in Dan 12:12

12 Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

These are 1335 days into the Tribulation.

From Sept 23, 2025 on the Feast f Trumpets to May 20, 2029 on Pentecost is exactly 1335 days.

Not only that but it's the only years the 1335 days can appear.

Try any other combination with other years and it wont work out to 1335 days.

This is the timing of the rapture/Resurrection at Revelation 14:14-16

This the Blessed day Daniel spoke of which is also called the Great and Glorious Day of the Lord
 

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The understanding I gave falls in line with other of Daniel's prophecies.

I did not keep anything from you when I gave the explanation of the 1335 days in Dan 12:12

12 Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

These are 1335 days into the Tribulation.

From Sept 23, 2025 on the Feast f Trumpets to May 20, 2029 on Pentecost is exactly 1335 days.

Not only that but it's the only years the 1335 days can appear.

Try any other combination with other years and it wont work out to 1335 days.

This is the timing of the rapture/Resurrection at Revelation 14:14-16

This the Blessed day Daniel spoke of which is also called the Great and Glorious Day of the Lord
where do you get these dates from again?

when will the abomination of desolation take place when did the treaty for 1 week occur? (As if your timeline is correct. it should have been confirmed sometime in March of 2022 what covenant was it?
 

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where do you get these dates from again?

when will the abomination of desolation take place when did the treaty for 1 week occur? (As if your timeline is correct. it should have been confirmed sometime in March of 2022 what covenant was it?
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If you really want to know

Covenant with many will take place on Feast Trumpets Sept, 23, 2029---Tribulation begins---- Daniel 9:27
Antichrist takes seat in temple of God in middle of the 7 (1260 days) March 6,2029 ----Dan9:27
Abomination of Desolation happens 1290 days into the Tribulation during Passover week ----------- Daniel 12:11
Rapture/Ressurection happens on Pentecost on the 1335th day of the Tribulation and last moment of the Trumpet Judgement-Dan 12:12
Tribulation continues for the unrighteous during the bowl judgments--ends in year 2032
 

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If you really want to know

Covenant with many will take place on Feast Trumpets Sept, 23, 2029---Tribulation begins---- Daniel 9:27
Antichrist takes seat in temple of God in middle of the 7 (1260 days) March 6,2029 ----Dan9:27
Abomination of Desolation happens 1290 days into the Tribulation during Passover week ----------- Daniel 12:11
Rapture/Ressurection happens on Pentecost on the 1335th day of the Tribulation and last moment of the Trumpet Judgement-Dan 12:12
Tribulation continues for the unrighteous during the bowl judgments--ends in year 2032
I do not see any support for these dates.

Again, where do you get your support..
 

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Correction

Covenant with many will take place on Feast Trumpets Sept, 23, 2025---Tribulation begins---- Daniel 9:27
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Because you dont understand time from creation and why things happen at a certain time.

Lord was crucified at last moment of the 3999th year since Adam.

2 But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.

Sun was made on the fourth day= 4000 years
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Why was a resurrection for the jews happen on the weekend Jesus was crucified

Because Israel became a nation of Passover thus the resurrection on Passover.

Lord s fulfilling the times when men were to show up at Jerusalem--Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles

One reason he is coming on Pentecost for the righteous

As the church began at Pentecost so shall it end
 

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ouch.. So much for the promise of God concerning daniels people and his nation. and to the world which he will come to save and restore
God did fulfill the promises. When God says "Israel" he doesnt mean every single israelite, the promises of restoration are always to the remnant. As Paul says not all are Israel who are of Israel.
 

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God did fulfill the promises. When God says "Israel" he doesnt mean every single israelite, the promises of restoration are always to the remnant. As Paul says not all are Israel who are of Israel.
Actually. God said he made a promise with them forever.

You can not fulfill a forever covenant, until forever ends.

Yes, in romans 9, making a point,

but in romans 11 he spoke of Israel as the natural branch, blinded in part. which were not the unnatural branch (gentile believers) and told gentile believers not to boast. because although they are blinded in part. there will come a time when they all will be saved.. That time is when the last gentile beast is destroyed, and christ returns..
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Wouldn't a jewish temple also be a pagan temple?
Lets see

God called the temple that the jewish sinners where making a mockery of his fathers house.

And he also said when he returns, It will be his house (the house he rules in)

so you tell me..
 

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Actually. God said he made a promise with them forever.

You can not fulfill a forever covenant, until forever ends.

Yes, in romans 9, making a point,

but in romans 11 he spoke of Israel as the natural branch, blinded in part. which were not the unnatural branch (gentile believers) and told gentile believers not to boast. because although they are blinded in part. there will come a time when they all will be saved.. That time is when the last gentile beast is destroyed, and christ returns..
Reconsider it. We are still under the law of Moses if thats the case.

IT was an eternal covenant as well, yet Hebrews 8 tells us its obsolete and as we know it passed away in AD70 with the destruction of the temple.

I do agree with you they were blinded in part. But why does the future salvation of jews have something to do with the 70 weeks of Daniel is what I am missing.