Do Not Fear the Days of Tribulation
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Hello JaumeJ, 
Amen! No fear but lots of praying! The only safe place is IN CHRIST.
I do enjoy reading the book of Daniel… he knew God and was strong in his faith and did exploits.
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, too!
Amen! No fear but lots of praying! The only safe place is IN CHRIST.
I do enjoy reading the book of Daniel… he knew God and was strong in his faith and did exploits.
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, too!
My quirk about Daniel is that I would always read Daniel and then Revelation, or vice versa. The go well together. God bless you alws... jj
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Hi @jaumel,
Actually, I'm one who bristles that we use their pagan given names rather than their meaningful Jewish names. And it's Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael. I believe that we, as believers, dishonor these great men of ancient faith in God who were taken into captivity, by calling them not by the name that their god-fearing parents named them, but rather by their pagan names. Oddly, no one seems to use the pagan name given to Daniel when referring to him.
Actually, I'm one who bristles that we use their pagan given names rather than their meaningful Jewish names. And it's Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael. I believe that we, as believers, dishonor these great men of ancient faith in God who were taken into captivity, by calling them not by the name that their god-fearing parents named them, but rather by their pagan names. Oddly, no one seems to use the pagan name given to Daniel when referring to him.
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Hello JaumeJ,
Amen! No fear but lots of praying! The only safe place is IN CHRIST.
I do enjoy reading the book of Daniel… he knew God and was strong in his faith and did exploits.
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, too!
Amen! No fear but lots of praying! The only safe place is IN CHRIST.
I do enjoy reading the book of Daniel… he knew God and was strong in his faith and did exploits.
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, too!
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It came to me that when I use the "Christian" words used by so many, that it is like another language. Somehow, I suppose, this was intended to be. It is the major cause of the great advancement of apostasy since Yeshua, or as I like to call Him, Yeshi Yah.
When those first grought together with the original vine, Israel, began to accept the Greek word for a title, Christian, at Antioch, the brakes were loosed completely.
By the true language, I am dopted as a child of Abraham, an Israelit, and a Jew. All of these titles apply to all qh truly believe Yeshua by translation, however most, using either language, are yet a bit off the mark.
Not to worry, Elohanu knows which are the sheep, His sheep, and which are the goats, and all will be clear on His Day. Baruch Avva, rach bencha, ve haruach Chodesh. amen
When those first grought together with the original vine, Israel, began to accept the Greek word for a title, Christian, at Antioch, the brakes were loosed completely.
By the true language, I am dopted as a child of Abraham, an Israelit, and a Jew. All of these titles apply to all qh truly believe Yeshua by translation, however most, using either language, are yet a bit off the mark.
Not to worry, Elohanu knows which are the sheep, His sheep, and which are the goats, and all will be clear on His Day. Baruch Avva, rach bencha, ve haruach Chodesh. amen
How can this be applied to Christians when "the days of Tribulation" are for unbelieving Israel? And that is exactly what Daniel says. Had you quoted Daniel 12:1 you could have avoided this mistake. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people [the Jews]: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people [the Jews] shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Also, the ones who shall be delivered are those who were saved and whose names were written in the Book of Life.
Also, the ones who shall be delivered are those who were saved and whose names were written in the Book of Life.
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Since the apostles accepted the word "Christian" for believers in Christ, no one can reject it without rejecting divine inspiration. Which means Christ's approval.
The apostles wrote by divine inspiration and here is what we read: Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds. (Acts 26:28,29) Paul's response to Agrippa ("such as I am") meant that he identified himself as a Christian.
And Peter identified himself and other believers as Christians also: Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
The apostles wrote by divine inspiration and here is what we read: Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds. (Acts 26:28,29) Paul's response to Agrippa ("such as I am") meant that he identified himself as a Christian.
And Peter identified himself and other believers as Christians also: Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Hi @Cameron143
No, actually Daniel didn't use those names in speaking to them. Daniel wrote those names in relating how others, like King Nebuchadnezzar, spoke to them. Nowhere in the Scriptures do you read that Daniel said to any of his three friends their pagan name in addressing them. And God changed Saul's name to a Gentile name. So, we should call him by the name that God assigned him, just as we do with Abraham. And I believe we should give Hannahiah, Azeriah and Mishael the same respect.
But I agree that it's a small thing and so I don't get excited and pound my fist about it, I just said that it bristles me when christians call those three brave men by their pagan names rather than the godly names they were given by their parents, who were obviously godly parents to have raised such god-fearing children into god-fearing young men.
God bless,
Ted
No, actually Daniel didn't use those names in speaking to them. Daniel wrote those names in relating how others, like King Nebuchadnezzar, spoke to them. Nowhere in the Scriptures do you read that Daniel said to any of his three friends their pagan name in addressing them. And God changed Saul's name to a Gentile name. So, we should call him by the name that God assigned him, just as we do with Abraham. And I believe we should give Hannahiah, Azeriah and Mishael the same respect.
But I agree that it's a small thing and so I don't get excited and pound my fist about it, I just said that it bristles me when christians call those three brave men by their pagan names rather than the godly names they were given by their parents, who were obviously godly parents to have raised such god-fearing children into god-fearing young men.
God bless,
Ted
Actually God used those names through Daniel's hand. If God is OK with it, I think I can be too. And, quite frankly, you don't know what he called them. While he did choose not to eat the king's food, I doubt he would have refused to use the king's names in the king's presence before the king ate grass for 7 years.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long.
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
1Co 13:2 and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith, and faith works by love.
No love then no faith.
Which Paul said without charity he is nothing, and James said without charity their faith is dead.
True love does not fear so if a saint fears that is not love then their faith is void, which true faith would not fear.
Although if you fear it can be corrected by not fearing.
But if you have the mindset to not fear and mean it you might not be able to stop your body from reacting to it, so do not be confused if your body shakes for that does not necessarily mean you fear.
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
1Co 13:2 and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith, and faith works by love.
No love then no faith.
Which Paul said without charity he is nothing, and James said without charity their faith is dead.
True love does not fear so if a saint fears that is not love then their faith is void, which true faith would not fear.
Although if you fear it can be corrected by not fearing.
But if you have the mindset to not fear and mean it you might not be able to stop your body from reacting to it, so do not be confused if your body shakes for that does not necessarily mean you fear.
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Hi @Cameron143
Just for the record, and then I'm off of this subject:
In Daniel 1 vs 7 we read God's word telling us that the king renamed all of the boys. Including Daniel. So this is a statement of fact and for that God records what was done by renaming the young men.
Then in 1 vs 11 Daniel is speaking and he says the boy's names, this is after they have been given their pagan names, and he calls them Hananiah, Misheal and Azeriah. This is God's word recording words that Daniel spoke when referring to his 3 friends.
Chapter 1 vs 19 even tells us of the king's words about the boys, but it isn't given as a quote. But God's word records that the king spoke of Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azeriah. So when God is writing just general information about the boys, even long after they were renamed, I mean this is after the 10 day diet, God chooses to still refer to them with their Jewish names and not their pagan names. That passage alone is the one that actually gives me the greatest confidence that God probably prefers that we also use their Jewish names.
Then in chapter 2 vs. 17 we read that Daniel goes to meet with his friends, and this is a long, long time after they'd been renamed, and he still calls them by their Jewish names.
So, I think that careful reading shows that God used their Jewish names, except for when He is telling us of the way the pagan Babylonians spoke of them or to them. Later we do find that a group go in to complain to the king about their behavior and yes, they speak of them by their pagan names. And God allows that because it is supposed to be the actual words that the pagan Babylonians used when they spoke to the king.
That's just my understanding of the matter and why it bristles me to hear christians also use their pagan names. Not realizing that they have good godly names that their parents gave them, and with and among each other, they always used those names. I think we should to.
God bless you,
Ted
Just for the record, and then I'm off of this subject:
In Daniel 1 vs 7 we read God's word telling us that the king renamed all of the boys. Including Daniel. So this is a statement of fact and for that God records what was done by renaming the young men.
Then in 1 vs 11 Daniel is speaking and he says the boy's names, this is after they have been given their pagan names, and he calls them Hananiah, Misheal and Azeriah. This is God's word recording words that Daniel spoke when referring to his 3 friends.
Chapter 1 vs 19 even tells us of the king's words about the boys, but it isn't given as a quote. But God's word records that the king spoke of Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azeriah. So when God is writing just general information about the boys, even long after they were renamed, I mean this is after the 10 day diet, God chooses to still refer to them with their Jewish names and not their pagan names. That passage alone is the one that actually gives me the greatest confidence that God probably prefers that we also use their Jewish names.
Then in chapter 2 vs. 17 we read that Daniel goes to meet with his friends, and this is a long, long time after they'd been renamed, and he still calls them by their Jewish names.
So, I think that careful reading shows that God used their Jewish names, except for when He is telling us of the way the pagan Babylonians spoke of them or to them. Later we do find that a group go in to complain to the king about their behavior and yes, they speak of them by their pagan names. And God allows that because it is supposed to be the actual words that the pagan Babylonians used when they spoke to the king.
That's just my understanding of the matter and why it bristles me to hear christians also use their pagan names. Not realizing that they have good godly names that their parents gave them, and with and among each other, they always used those names. I think we should to.
God bless you,
Ted
Exactly. And "Jacob" and "Israel" are interchangeable for the nation of Israel.
The reason that unbelieving Jews will face the Tribulation period is that they have continued to reject their true Messiah. It is an expression of God's wrath. And the Church is not "appointed to wrath" but "to obtain salvation" (the Resurrection/Rapture). This is based entirely on God's grace and the finished work of Christ. And there are believing Jews within the Church. In fact they should have been the majority, but are in fact the minority. From God's perspective, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Church, just children of God justified by grace through faith.
The reason that unbelieving Jews will face the Tribulation period is that they have continued to reject their true Messiah. It is an expression of God's wrath. And the Church is not "appointed to wrath" but "to obtain salvation" (the Resurrection/Rapture). This is based entirely on God's grace and the finished work of Christ. And there are believing Jews within the Church. In fact they should have been the majority, but are in fact the minority. From God's perspective, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Church, just children of God justified by grace through faith.
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Finally!
They do not use the name given to Yeshua either, though there are some that do.
The Angel said to Mary that she would name the Child Yeshua for He will save His people.
Yeshua may be translasted Redeemer Yahew, which gives all sense to why the name, while Jesus is simply the transliteration to Greek.
He saves His people. Now we are joined to the original Branch bye declaring our faith in Him. In fact we are the true Jews, for He is the King of the Jews. Jew being a praiser of Yahweh, Elohanu.
I find it the utmost honor to be a praiser of Yahweh, Elohanu. In Chsristian that would be a praiser of God, however the word, god,is evolved etymologically from a dddword from Sanskrit where the previous history is lost. Do not tell those who belong to the many6 sects, named, which do not even agree with each other. "Always remain a child of Abraham, the Honored Father of the nations..right Yahweh.
They do not use the name given to Yeshua either, though there are some that do.
The Angel said to Mary that she would name the Child Yeshua for He will save His people.
Yeshua may be translasted Redeemer Yahew, which gives all sense to why the name, while Jesus is simply the transliteration to Greek.
He saves His people. Now we are joined to the original Branch bye declaring our faith in Him. In fact we are the true Jews, for He is the King of the Jews. Jew being a praiser of Yahweh, Elohanu.
I find it the utmost honor to be a praiser of Yahweh, Elohanu. In Chsristian that would be a praiser of God, however the word, god,is evolved etymologically from a dddword from Sanskrit where the previous history is lost. Do not tell those who belong to the many6 sects, named, which do not even agree with each other. "Always remain a child of Abraham, the Honored Father of the nations..right Yahweh.