Dietary laws, do you keep them?

[Inquisitor]

More and more bizarre statements on CC.

You called what Jesus said about the Canaanite woman a bizarre statement?

Matthew 15:21-24
Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the region of Tyre and Sidon.
And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying,
“Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely demon-possessed.”
But He did not answer her with even a word. And His disciples came up and urged Him,
saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us!” But He answered and said,
“I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

You don't understand the scripture.

Jesus was not sent to Rome or Corinth.

 

[Inquisitor]

The "Jews" were a segment of the house of Israel. So the statement about only to the Jews was misleading. And even though He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, He was to be a Light to lighten the Gentiles.

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy Salvation (Yeshua), 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A Light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. (Luke 2:25-32)

Thus Jesus said "I am the Light of the world" (not just Israel) We see in the earthly ministry of Christ that the ones who FIRST believed on Him were the despised Samaritans. And that "He MUST NEEDS go through Samaria. He also went to the coasts of Tyre and Sidon (Gentile territory). And the faith of the Roman centurion whose servant was healed was not found in all Israel at that time.

Your post is confusing and misleading.

Here is what you said.

The "Jews" were a segment of the house of Israel.

Jesus said.

I was ONLY sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Then you further stated.

And even though He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, He was to be a Light to lighten the Gentiles.

You are directly contradicting what Jesus stated.

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

"But He did not answer her with even a word."

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles!

Jesus was not sent to the Canaanite woman.

Jesus was not sent to the Centurion!

 

[Inquisitor]

I have not neglect that. In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). In Titus 2:14, Christ gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to reject everything that he accomplished.


In Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life!

[quoteJesus Christ is the only way to achieve righteousness.

Agreed.

[quoteWe receive the righteousness of Jesus Christ, a perfect righteousness, and that was a gift.[/quote]
To have a character trait means to be a doer of that trait, so for God to be righteous means that He is a doer of righteous works and the receiving the gift of righteousness through faith means receiving the gift of becoming a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law through faith..


The purpose of God giving commands is straightforwardly for us to obey them.


God did not give the gift of His law for the purpose of giving us something to boast about, but to teach us how to boast in Christ. God did not command good works in order to establish our own goodness, but to testify about God's goodness, which is why our good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law give glory to Him (Mark 5:16). Moreover, by testifying about God's goodness, we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in him, and the same goes for God's other character traits, so the way to believe in God is by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to the Mosaic Law.[/QUOTE]
You quote the greatest commandments in the law, love God and love others.

So why did Jesus issue a new commandment to the apostles?

John 13:34
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you,
that you also love one another.

 

[Soyeong]

Trace back to the origins of some of the wrong things you are saying and you will see why I said that.

I'm not a mind reader, so please discuss why you disagree with what I said and why you disagree with dominion theology.

 

[Soyeong]

You quote the greatest commandments in the law, love God and love others.

So why did Jesus issue a new commandment to the apostles?

John 13:34
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you,
that you also love one another.

In Deuteronomy 4:2, it prohibits adding to or subtracting from the Mosaic Law, so Jesus was not referring to a brand new commandment, especially because the command to love our neighbor can be found in Leviticus 19:18, but what was new about the commandment was the quality of the example by which we should love our neighbor, and indeed the Greek word used refers to newness with respect to quality rather than with respect to time:

3501 /néos ("new on the scene") suggests something "new in time" – in contrast to its near-synonym (2537 /kainós, "new in quality").

In order to correctly know how to obey the command to love our neighbor as ourselves we need to know how we should love ourselves and the answer to that is that we should love ourselves as Jesus loves us, which is therefore also how we should love our neighbor. So Jesus was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by making changes to what God commanded in disagreement with Him, but rather he was fulfilling the law by teaching how to correctly obey it by word and by example.

 

[Genez]

I'm not a mind reader, so please discuss why you disagree with what I said and why you disagree with dominion theology.

Why do you agree with dominion theology?
Telling me why you agree, would help me to answer your question.

 

[josepht233]

God bless you. We are not defined by what comes into our stomach but by what comes out of our heart. See Matthew 15:17-20

 

[Soyeong]

Why do you agree with dominion theology?
Telling me why you agree, would help me to answer your question.

I am taking the position that followers of God should follow what God has commanded in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and so all legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of morality, and no one has a better understanding of morality that God, so what problem do you have with wanting to live in a society that is governed by God's understanding of morality?

 

[Genez]

I am taking the position that followers of God should follow what God has commanded in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and so all legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of morality, and no one has a better understanding of morality that God, so what problem do you have with wanting to live in a society that is governed by God's understanding of morality?

Man living "civilized" nations is already living in God's understanding of morality.

That has nothing to do with Dominion theology.

 

[Soyeong]

Man living "civilized" nations is already living in God's understanding of morality.

That has nothing to do with Dominion theology.

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to be doers of God's character traits in obedience to Him, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. The laws that God has given are in accordance with His understanding of morality and the degree that "civilized" nations are not in accordance with God's laws is the degree that they are not living in according with God's understanding of morality. If you think that has nothing to do with Dominion theology, then please explain what you consider to be Dominion theology.

 

[TMS]

No middle ground. Sounds unbalanced.
Sounds like a trap of the devil.

Remove the law and people don't need to worry about sin.

Sin is still present so the law is still present.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Genez]

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to be doers of God's character traits in obedience to Him, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. The laws that God has given are in accordance with His understanding of morality and the degree that "civilized" nations are not in accordance with God's laws is the degree that they are not living in according with God's understanding of morality. If you think that has nothing to do with Dominion theology, then please explain what you consider to be Dominion theology.

God introduced morality to the nations in the OT.....

Its already taken effect.
What we got is to be expected according the the true state of unregenerate man.

 

[Soyeong]

God introduced morality to the nations in the OT.....

Its already taken effect.
What we got is to be expected according the the true state of unregenerate man.

There is still a degree to which the nations do not act in accordance with God's law.

 

[Genez]

There is still a degree to which the nations do not act in accordance with God's law.

They are not going to!
Not until Christ returns!

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You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. ​

Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. " Matthew 24:6​

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You think you can accomplish what will take God's almighty power to do?
Are you going to kill off all those whom He will kill off before the Millennium can begin?

The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress ​

of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, ​

rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of one hundred and eighty-six miles. miles." Rev 14:19-20
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Naive and ignorant believers, lacking understanding of God's Word, is what dominion theology depends upon.

 

[Soyeong]

They are not going to!
Not until Christ returns!

​

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. ​

Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. " Matthew 24:6​

​

You think you can accomplish what will take God's almighty power to do?
Are you going to kill off all those whom He will kill off before the Millennium can begin?

​

The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress ​

of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, ​

rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of one hundred and eighty-six miles. miles." Rev 14:19-20​

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Naive and ignorant believers, lacking understanding of God's Word, is what dominion theology depends upon.

Already are or not going to? You changed your tune pretty quick.

 

[TMS]

If you think that has nothing to do with Dominion theology, then please explain what you consider to be Dominion theology.

Does it mean Christian morals being instituted into political laws.

Or Christian teachings and ideologies controlling the national politics..

Christian morals are great when they are God's will.
But in the past and even today people fall into the trap of hurting God's people thinking they are doing God's will.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Best to allow each person to have a personal relationship with their saviour.

 

[TMS]

God bless you. We are not defined by what comes into our stomach but by what comes out of our heart. See Matthew 15:17-20

Does God care about what we put in? Yes.
When we drink alcohol it affects our thinking, and lots of unhealthy food affects our health too.
We are affected by what we eat, God knows what is good for us and what is bad. God has given us advice in Lev, laws to guide us.

You can egnore the God given advice or listen to God.

 

[Dino246]

No middle ground. Sounds unbalanced.
Sounds like a trap of the devil.

Remove the law and people don't need to worry about sin.

Sin is still present so the law is still present.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The Law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. It’s a temporary thing that has now become obsolete for those of us who are in Christ.

 

[Dino246]

Does God care about what we put in? Yes.
When we drink alcohol it affects our thinking, and lots of unhealthy food affects our health too.
We are affected by what we eat, God knows what is good for us and what is bad. God has given us advice in Lev, laws to guide us.

You can egnore the God given advice or listen to God.

Following the Mosaic law won’t prevent you from ingesting all toxins. It won’t keep you from foods to which you are allergic. It won’t stop you from overeating. The Holy Spirit can and will do all that and much more.

 

[Genez]

Already are or not going to? You changed your tune pretty quick.

You wish to win by wearing your opponent out by misconstruing and obfuscating..... if you could.

It would be much better if you could win by presenting something true that we could all benefit from.

I am supposed to redeem my time. Not waste it.

So? Seen enough of your "contribution."

Ignore.... you're no more a chore.