Do not vote for Trump

[tourist]

I’m not casting stones and I’m not casting my vote for Trump.

I voted for Bernie once.

 

[Susanna]

I voted for Bernie once.

I voted for GWB twice. Was I wrong?

 

[tourist]

I voted for GWB twice. Was I wrong?

So did I. Both times while living in Orlando. Turns out that he beat Gore by less that 500 votes. My family alone gave him probably 5% of his winning margin. Of course, in 2004 that election wasn't even close. Kerry was a bit of a dud. I voted for his dad too. Sad when he lost to Clinton. At least he didn't inhale. Or so he claimed. Smokin' somethin' for sure.

 

[Susanna]

So did I. Both times while living in Orlando. Turns out that he beat Gore by less that 500 votes. My family alone gave him probably 5% of his winning margin. Of course, in 2004 that election wasn't even close. Kerry was a bit of a dud. I voted for his dad too. Sad when he lost to Clinton. At least he didn't inhale. Or so he claimed. Smokin' somethin' for sure.

In my opinion Clinton and Trump are two of a kind.

 

[tourist]

In my opinion Clinton and Trump are two of a kind.

Quite similar in some respects.

 

[Ballaurena]

I love how people just randomly hate trump. There's not even a reason to not vote for him. Just orange man bad.

I'm independent and hate both democrats and Republicans. There's only a handful I can even stand and that includes trump.

People need to educate themselves more. Read propaganda and 1984. Then you can cast stones.

Biden literally opened up our borders to terrorists. That's an act of war! But what does he care democrats love war. Oil and money for them and they can raise our taxes.

Democrats were the party of slavery. I guess we don't care about that anymore?? And most are still racists.

Democrats will let out the rapist and murder the baby. The innocent always suffer. Criminals thrive.

Republicans are bought off or too scared to grow a pair. They sit back like little weasels.

Even though I can't stand either party I don't know how any Christian can vote democrat. They are flat out evil.... they would crucify Jesus if they could. Instead they'll just tell little kids they came from monkeys while exposing Trans adult genitals to them.

There's a lot more, but that's blunt enough....

I read 1984 like twenty years ago. As I recall, one of the themes was the meaningless elections where neither candidate would really make a difference. We're there.

I'm a teacher and the way I look at it is if student Democrat has a 30% in the class, and student Republican has a 40% in the class, both are failures unworthy of passing. It's a false dichotomy to say I have to choose to pass either one.

Besides, there are many good reasons not to vote for Trump, and I'm not even 100% determined not to. His flip-flopping on abortion is one example. He was pro-choice. Then he became the Republican candidate for president so became pro-life in all cases. Then that didn't play well even among most Republicans so he refined his position to have exceptions for rape and for the life of the mother. Playing to his base, he got us Supreme Court justices that overturned Roe vs. Wade, but now that pro-choice voters are agitated he is backing off and saying it was all about state's rights and now everyone should be happy so we don't need any federal laws about it.

If you don't think there are good reasons not to vote for Trump, you must have either very low standards or a lack of awareness. At the very least, a lack of imagination to perceive how others might feel. I personally think he is a test for Christians to reveal who they are really following - God or culture.

 

[hornetguy]

It's a false dichotomy to say I have to choose to pass either one.

Not really..... you can fail both of them. We cannot fail both of these.....
ONE of those two is going to be our president.
Sticking your head in the sand will not help the nation. Either win or lose, Trump will not be our president more than 4 more years. The good things he did for the nation in his first term should be enough to make even the most rabid TDS voters want to see him do it again.
Then, 4 years from now, perhaps a "good" candidate will surface that we can all vote for with no reservations.

 

[hornetguy]

Playing to his base, he got us Supreme Court justices that overturned Roe vs. Wade, but now that pro-choice voters are agitated he is backing off and saying it was all about state's rights and now everyone should be happy so we don't need any federal laws about it.

I don't think that is "playing to his voters".... although I'm sure he's using that as a talking point.

I have read MANY constitutional scholars that stated from the start that Roe v Wade was just bad law. The idea is that something like abortion SHOULD be left to the states.
We have gotten away from the concept and importance of states rights, in favor of an over-reaching federal government. That is NOT what the founders intended. The federal government was supposed to have very limited "powers" and authority... mostly in defense of the nation.... everything else was supposed to be decided individually by each state..... which is what we ALL should want...

 

[Jeremy1973]

Not really..... you can fail both of them. We cannot fail both of these.....
ONE of those two is going to be our president.
Sticking your head in the sand will not help the nation. Either win or lose, Trump will not be our president more than 4 more years. The good things he did for the nation in his first term should be enough to make even the most rabid TDS voters want to see him do it again.
Then, 4 years from now, perhaps a "good" candidate will surface that we can all vote for with no reservations.

lol, what "good things?" Everything Trump did violated Biblical Law and promoted degeneracy.

 

[notmyown]

For the lulz. It's hilarious watching so-called Christians attempt to serve two masters when it directly contradicts the teachings of Christ.

Some folks aren't such blind followers they have to erect a surrogate "leader." Christ's sheep hear His voice and follow.

hi, Jeremy. you're a pastor? i conclude, from this post, "for the lulz", you must be one of two things:

1. someone who sows discord among brothers, or

2. if you really believe you're talking to the lost, the worst evangelist ever.

 

[SonJudgment]

I think normally not voting or voting third party would make sense, but the problem here is that the democrats went and overthrew democracy by foisting up literal Jezebel without a single vote cast for their nominee and are promising four more years of absolute corruption and oppression both spiritually and quite physically of which threatens all Americans at an incredibly existential level. If all the wolves in sheeps clothing also refused to vote rather than cast their ballot for Jezebel then it would make sense to sit this one out, but seeing as they are pulling out almost every lie in their arsenal and every corrupt trick that can be imagined, it seems like any Christian of conscience can't just idly stand by and bow down to Jezebel if there is still a reasonable fighting chance, which indeed God has granted to us in the person of Trump. Make no mistake about it Trump is your only chance for an acceptable government under God, and even then America has slid pretty far down in the last 4 years, so even then it will take great effort of the Christians under Trump to just hope to survive the decade, but it is clear it is the only chance America has to not just be cursed and smote outright to the glory of God which will certainly happen if you bow your necks and accept the yoke of Jezebel.

 

[Jeremy1973]

the worst evangelist ever.

Not at all - aside from the three brainwashed non-Christians pushing for their demonic leader over Jesus most on this forum agree with me. If you could only see my inbox.

It's more for the benefit of the lurker. Those that erect false idols are a lost cause anyway.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't think that is "playing to his voters".... although I'm sure he's using that as a talking point.

I have read MANY constitutional scholars that stated from the start that Roe v Wade was just bad law. The idea is that something like abortion SHOULD be left to the states.
We have gotten away from the concept and importance of states rights, in favor of an over-reaching federal government. That is NOT what the founders intended. The federal government was supposed to have very limited "powers" and authority... mostly in defense of the nation.... everything else was supposed to be decided individually by each state..... which is what we ALL should want...

People who suffer from a severe case of TDS would rather vote for their own destruction than vote for Trump.

 

[hornetguy]

lol, what "good things?" Everything Trump did violated Biblical Law and promoted degeneracy.

Give us some specific examples, Scooter.....
Broad stroke accusations only show your lack of substance. Which has been pretty obvious from the start of this thread.

 

[Jeremy1973]

Give us some specific examples, Scooter.....
Broad stroke accusations only show your lack of substance. Which has been pretty obvious from the start of this thread.

Sure, after you name one "good thing" Trump did for society.

I'll be waiting...

 

[hornetguy]

Sure, after you name one "good thing" Trump did for society.

I'll be waiting...

Just a start, slick.... lots more where that came from...

Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
• Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
• Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
• The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
• Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.

Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

• Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
• Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
• Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.

Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

• The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
• The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.

Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

• Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
• Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

• An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
• During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
• Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
• Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
• Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
• Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
• Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
• 80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
• Small business confidence hit a new high.
• Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
• Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
• Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
• Home prices hit an all-time record high.
• The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
• Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
• Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.

Tax Relief for the Middle Class

 

[Jeremy1973]

Just a start, slick.... lots more where that came from...

Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
• Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
• Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
• The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
• Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.

Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

• Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
• Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
• Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.

Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

• The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
• The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.

Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

• Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
• Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

• An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
• During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
• Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
• Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
• Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
• Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
• Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
• 80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
• Small business confidence hit a new high.
• Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
• Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
• Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
• Home prices hit an all-time record high.
• The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
• Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
• Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.

Tax Relief for the Middle Class

lol, copy and paste from the internet - all pertaining to being a wage slave or the stock market racket (both of which benefit ZOG and global elitists like himself).

None of those are good, son. Try again - you know, something like using his billions to bring people to Christ, sharing the Gospel or simply feeding the hungry.

Perhaps find something that Christ commanded, rather than what benefits Trump's own love of money or outright oppresses the faithful?

 

[Lynx]

For some reason this thread keeps reminding me of this comic strip.

 

[hornetguy]

lol, copy and paste from the internet - all pertaining to being a wage slave or the stock market racket (both of which benefit ZOG and global elitists like himself).

None of those are good, son. Try again - you know, something like using his billions to bring people to Christ, sharing the Gospel or simply feeding the hungry.

Perhaps find something that Christ commanded, rather than what benefits Trump's own love of money or outright oppresses the faithful?

Just what I expected, snowflake. All noise, no substance.
Still waiting on your specific examples of EVERYTHING that Trump did in office being of Satan, or whatever other hyperbolic description you used. What a tool....

 

[hornetguy]

Sure, after you name one "good thing" Trump did for society.

THAT is what you asked for...
I gave you a lot more than one.... you are still whining and stomping your little feet.... put up or shut up.
You said that EVERYTHING Trump did was bad.... go ahead, give us some specifics.