The Apostasy is on Full Display for the Whole World to See

[HeIsHere]

Hi @HeIsHere

Sure, performative arts have often been about making social statements. Look at the performance of 'JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR' from my earlier days. A fairly blasphemous display with lots of colored clothing and hippie actors attempting to show us the world's understanding of who Jesus is. It was a totally corrupt understanding of Jesus' life with us.

But that's what unbelievers do. That's why they are unbelievers. And as I understand the Scriptures, there are always going to be a lot more unbelievers then believers. So why would we be surprised that unbelievers are running a lot of things on this earth?

Jesus made a worthy observation for us when he said, "When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith upon the earth?" And, "The love of most will grow cold." And Paul's teaching to us that not only in the latter days will mankind give approval of such wicked things, but they will invent new ways to sin.

I mean honestly, as I understand the Scriptures, we should rejoice as we see all of these prophetic warnings about the rise of wickedness upon the earth because that means that Jesus' return is near. But individually, or as a group of believers, our job is not to condemn them, but to tell them the gospel. And if they will accept it, to then be baptized. After they have accepted the message of salvation through Jesus and been baptized, then we are to teach those who have accepted and been baptized into the faith to follow the commands of Jesus. I don't think there's a single passage in the Scriptures on which we can justify some understanding that believers should go out and fix all the sin on the earth.

I understand the sentiment you express in the first paragraph and agree.

I am not a futurist in my eschatology anymore and have not been for a few years.
I will say this futurist view has made some Christians (not all) complacent, thinking this is all part of the end times, it is not.
Christians (some) have become complacent, been propagandized, over many years (generations) and now we are reaping the result.
So I would urge you to rethink your view, it is a counterfeit very cleverly being executed in real time.

 

[Eli1]

Following up on "We are sorry, this wasn't meant to mock the last supper".

Leaving aside the non-genuine response which basically says "it's your fault for getting offended but not ours", this simply comes down to a time and a place.

When i come to the Olympics or a soccer World Cup i don't want to see hospital patients or disgusting naked people with circus clothes.
I am coming to see athletes. The best of the best. Doing things we can't do, because they trained a lifetime to achieve a goal.
That's what i want to see.

 

[Mem]

Being a history nerd, I thought the initial outrage was fabricated at first; but I could see how people thought -not the feast itself- but specifically the photograph was a mockery... there is a likelihood it was intentional.

As if they went forward with a contingency "Oopsie" plan that would make it all better.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Hi all,

Well, once again believers are acting foolishly towards the world. It now turns out that the performance had nothing to do with the last supper, but was a performance depicting the feast of Dionysus. A Greek God. And while yes, believers know, and most everyone else knows that there is no Greek God named Dionysus, the program was not intended in any way to portray a christian practice.

The olympic games are a sporting challenge of the world and its heritage hails from the Greek games of ancient Greece. Therefore, opening them with a depiction of the feast of Dionysus is appropriate for that venue.

I did watch a bit of it, and honestly, the only thing in it that resembled anything of a painting that we have of the last supper that we also know isn't a true representation of the actual last supper, is a long table. There are not 12 people lounging around it. There is no bread and wine set out before the 12 participants as if they are eating a supper as is shown in the painting and likely was somehow representative of how the table might have been set at the actual last supper. It's just a long table. With a blue person sitting on it surrounded by a fruit cornucopia.

As far as all the 'drag queen' appearances of the participants, I find that rather offensive, but immoral sexual activities is the very first thing that Paul covers in his letter to the Romans about how the lost will be acting as we move towards the last day. So, while I certainly don't agree with that lifestyle, nor participate in such, it's exactly why God's word tells believers to have nothing to do with such things and so I don't. But that doesn't mean that I should expect that I won't see it displayed and glamorized by the people of this world.

So personally, I'd say that we should be careful not to sin in our anger and pray for them. Pray for those still lost without the Shepherd.

God bless,
Ted

Have you ever read Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Homer, Tales of Gilead?

It's homage to Genesis 6 [Angels + human women = Giants (Nephilim)] or the Greek Myth version of gods like Zeus and his son Hercules.

The Philosophers explain Genesis 6 beautifully but they call the Fallen Angels gods.

It's also why in the true Hebrew Torah still written in Hebrew and throughout the true Tanakh (Old Testament Scrolls) we see so many references to God in the Council of gods [Angels].

Anyway, the ancient Greek Philosophers go into great detail how these Fallen Angels (they called gods) performed miracles and produced Giants (Nephilim) and demanded worship.

It also explains why God explained in Deuteronomy 32 like He did:
8 When Elyon gave nations their heritage,
when He separated the sons of man,
He set boundaries for the people
by the number of sons of God.
9 But Adonai’s portion is His people—
Jacob is the share of His inheritance.
^
Here we see God took the Nation of Israel and the other Nations were governed by Angels...[Hence the Greek Philosophers explaining the Greek Myth but were Fallen Angels].

The Olympics brought back to life this Philosophy and the Games attached to the Greek ancestry.

But it still is a "mockery unto God" because the gods displayed in the opening Ceremony were real life depictions of the Fallen Angels who committed Rebellion towards God.

So Christians have every right to oppose this kind of display.

But the striking ISSUE at hand is how it begins. It was a depiction of the "Last Supper" because in no Greek Myth was there ever this kind of setting. Only the Bible was there ever such a setting that included Jesus and His Disciples.

So the Olympics kicked God twice with this whole enactment.

A Follower of the Most High God should be OUTRAGED by it!!


The only fact the Olympics is now back tracking is over 1.2 BILLION in sponsorship money has been yanked. They are reaping what they have sowed.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Hi all,

Well, once again believers are acting foolishly towards the world. It now turns out that the performance had nothing to do with the last supper, but was a performance depicting the feast of Dionysus. A Greek God. And while yes, believers know, and most everyone else knows that there is no Greek God named Dionysus, the program was not intended in any way to portray a christian practice.

The olympic games are a sporting challenge of the world and its heritage hails from the Greek games of ancient Greece. Therefore, opening them with a depiction of the feast of Dionysus is appropriate for that venue.

I did watch a bit of it, and honestly, the only thing in it that resembled anything of a painting that we have of the last supper that we also know isn't a true representation of the actual last supper, is a long table. There are not 12 people lounging around it. There is no bread and wine set out before the 12 participants as if they are eating a supper as is shown in the painting and likely was somehow representative of how the table might have been set at the actual last supper. It's just a long table. With a blue person sitting on it surrounded by a fruit cornucopia.

As far as all the 'drag queen' appearances of the participants, I find that rather offensive, but immoral sexual activities is the very first thing that Paul covers in his letter to the Romans about how the lost will be acting as we move towards the last day. So, while I certainly don't agree with that lifestyle, nor participate in such, it's exactly why God's word tells believers to have nothing to do with such things and so I don't. But that doesn't mean that I should expect that I won't see it displayed and glamorized by the people of this world.

So personally, I'd say that we should be careful not to sin in our anger and pray for them. Pray for those still lost without the Shepherd.

God bless,
Ted

From this story:

The scene in question featured a line of drag performers posing shoulder-to-shoulder on a Parisian bridge before turning the bridge into a fashion-forward catwalk. Later, those same queens celebrated over a meal where the dish was revealed to be a nearly nude man painted blue.​

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Many, including Jolly and the official Olympics Games X account, said that the scene is an "interpretation of the Greek God Dionysus" that "makes us aware of the absurdity of violence between human beings."​

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Others, including a statement from Paris 2024 producers obtained by TheWrap Sunday, said that it was in fact inspired by Da Vinci's famous painting — a skewing of the religious imagery that has been slammed by the Christian right as a mockery of Jesus Christ.​

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"For the 'Festivities' segment, Thomas Jolly took inspiration from Leonardo da Vinci's famous painting to create the setting," producers said in the statement. "Clearly, there was never an intention to show disrespect towards any religious group or belief … [Jolly] is not the first artist to make a reference to what is a world-famous work of art. From Andy Warhol to 'The Simpsons,' many have done it before him."​

I don't think the inspiration for this scene has to be one or the other. It can be both. Many lost people see Christianity (the central figure with a radiant halo) as the same in principle as Greek god myths (the blue devil in the food tray), so merging them together in one scene does not seem odd to me.

But I do not think it is unwarrented for Christians everywhere to be offended by the many disgusting and disturbing scenes (including the one discussed here) at the opening ceremony.

And although no one is without sin, I would say that God cannot be mocked. If they sow to the flesh (as the organizers and participants did in these scenes), then they will reap corruption from the flesh. This is not being judgmental, it is stating a fact. And though I have sympathy for them as individuals and want them to find new life in Christ, I have no sympathy for their evil deeds or their boldness in celebrating it.

 

[tedincarolina]

Have you ever read Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Homer, Tales of Gilead?

It's homage to Genesis 6 [Angels + human women = Giants (Nephilim)] or the Greek Myth version of gods like Zeus and his son Hercules.

The Philosophers explain Genesis 6 beautifully but they call the Fallen Angels gods.

It's also why in the true Hebrew Torah still written in Hebrew and throughout the true Tanakh (Old Testament Scrolls) we see so many references to God in the Council of gods [Angels].

Anyway, the ancient Greek Philosophers go into great detail how these Fallen Angels (they called gods) performed miracles and produced Giants (Nephilim) and demanded worship.

It also explains why God explained in Deuteronomy 32 like He did:
8 When Elyon gave nations their heritage,
when He separated the sons of man,
He set boundaries for the people
by the number of sons of God.
9 But Adonai’s portion is His people—
Jacob is the share of His inheritance.
^
Here we see God took the Nation of Israel and the other Nations were governed by Angels...[Hence the Greek Philosophers explaining the Greek Myth but were Fallen Angels].

The Olympics brought back to life this Philosophy and the Games attached to the Greek ancestry.

But it still is a "mockery unto God" because the gods displayed in the opening Ceremony were real life depictions of the Fallen Angels who committed Rebellion towards God.

So Christians have every right to oppose this kind of display.

But the striking ISSUE at hand is how it begins. It was a depiction of the "Last Supper" because in no Greek Myth was there ever this kind of setting. Only the Bible was there ever such a setting that included Jesus and His Disciples.

So the Olympics kicked God twice with this whole enactment.

A Follower of the Most High God should be OUTRAGED by it!!


The only fact the Olympics is now back tracking is over 1.2 BILLION in sponsorship money has been yanked. They are reaping what they have sowed.

Hi @FollowerofShiloh

I don't know about 'every right', but yes, we believers can certainly have our eyes open regarding these things and not be a participant in them.

But there isn't any depiction of 12 disciples or bread and wine scattered about on the table, all essential elements of our painting from which most of us get our visual understanding of how the last supper went. And yes, there is the Feast of Dionysus:

The Dionysia was a large festival in ancient Athens in honor of the god Dionysus, the central events of which were the theatrical performances of dramatic tragedies and, from 487 BC, comedies. It was the second-most important festival after the Panathenaia.

Since the olympics are a Greek inspired effort, then it having Greek god performances is not something we should think is unusual. I mean, they still light the olympic torch on Mt Olympus in Greece!

So, I believe that all these supposed christians getting up in arms over this performance and trying to attach it to the last supper of our Lord are in error. It was never intended to represent that event upon the earth. That's just the reaction of reactionary christians looking for some new way of condemning all the sinners on the earth. But what that does, is makes us look foolish in their sight. Then they don't want to listen to us when we do what Jesus told us to do. Share the gospel with them.

I'm all fine with believers saying that the performance represented some sinful attitudes of men upon the earth. There were references to the LGBTQ initiative that is sweeping the earth and yes, that's an ungodly attitude and activity, but the majority of the world consists of the ungodly.

 

[studier]

supposed christians

what that does, is makes us look foolish in their sight.

reactionary christians looking for some new way of condemning all the sinners on the earth.

A quick internet search seems to reveal an awful lot of "reactionary, supposed christians" on the earth. I thank God for their protests of this filth and for their assembling to praise Him.

Some of us think God is the one who condemns and part of the evangelism process is to make people aware of this so they understand what His gracious offer of salvation is from. Since the Holy Spirit is convicting of sin for lack of belief in Jesus Christ, righteousness since He's back with our Father and not seen any more, and judgment of these peoples' leader, why do we think our ministry is different rather than in line with His?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Hi @FollowerofShiloh

I don't know about 'every right', but yes, we believers can certainly have our eyes open regarding these things and not be a participant in them.

But there isn't any depiction of 12 disciples or bread and wine scattered about on the table, all essential elements of our painting from which most of us get our visual understanding of how the last supper went. And yes, there is the Feast of Dionysus:

The Dionysia was a large festival in ancient Athens in honor of the god Dionysus, the central events of which were the theatrical performances of dramatic tragedies and, from 487 BC, comedies. It was the second-most important festival after the Panathenaia.

Since the olympics are a Greek inspired effort, then it having Greek god performances is not something we should think is unusual. I mean, they still light the olympic torch on Mt Olympus in Greece!

So, I believe that all these supposed christians getting up in arms over this performance and trying to attach it to the last supper of our Lord are in error. It was never intended to represent that event upon the earth. That's just the reaction of reactionary christians looking for some new way of condemning all the sinners on the earth. But what that does, is makes us look foolish in their sight. Then they don't want to listen to us when we do what Jesus told us to do. Share the gospel with them.

I'm all fine with believers saying that the performance represented some sinful attitudes of men upon the earth. There were references to the LGBTQ initiative that is sweeping the earth and yes, that's an ungodly attitude and activity, but the majority of the world consists of the ungodly.

Ultimately, Dionysus (the Greek name) is a Fallen Angel who rebelled against the God you claim to serve.

Secondly, show me where Dionysus has a setting like we saw in the opening display in the Greco writings?

Since it does not match any other mythic position, what else could have been used for the inspiration of this opening setting? It logically seems there is only 1 other option.


I understand where you are coming from and do see your viewpoint. But several lines are crossed here even if they are not fully displayed. We should be able to easily Discern the intent here.

It is true there are depictions of Dionysus stamped onto silver plates and having a silver platter with Dionysus on it is a reference to that. That makes perfect sense in the irony of it all.


I just don't want you to lose focus on who Dionysus really is in real life. A Fallen Angel. A Demon.

 

[tedincarolina]

A quick internet search seems to reveal an awful lot of "reactionary, supposed christians" on the earth.

Hi @studier

Yes it does.

Since the Holy Spirit is convicting of sin for lack of belief in Jesus Christ,

I disagree with that statement. I don't think the Holy Spirit has anything to do with convicting those in whom he is not indwelled.

 

[tedincarolina]

Ultimately, Dionysus (the Greek name) is a Fallen Angel who rebelled against the God you claim to serve.

Hi @FollowerofShiloh

Well, I'm pretty sure that you can't support that claim through the Scriptures. Although, we do know that God's word speaks of their being great god-like men in the days that the Nephalim were on the earth and having children with human women. But your proving your claim is, I think, a really tough sell. However, it really doesn't matter to the issue at hand.

As to your second point, I'm not a follower of the ancient god and have no idea exactly how they actually, physically set up their festival performances or gatherings, however it would have been. I don't really have a clue what it looked like in the room when Jesus shared the Passover with his 12 disciples. And depending on when the depiction was made it could have been 11 because Judas left early.

But I know that the event depicted on the stage at the Olympic opening didn't have anything on it that the Scriptures tell us was on and around the place where Jesus shared the Passover. There were not 12/11 people plus Jesus depicted in it. There was no food or wine and we know for a fact that there was bread and wine and it was the Passover so there should have been some lamb and bitter herbs and other Passover required dishes. There was a person with their head sticking through a cornucopia of fruit. Not anything I've ever seen depicted in anyone's idea of the last supper.

So look, go with what you believe and holler as loud as you can and shake the world up and make it all straight and pure and Jesus won't have to come back. Or, do what Jesus has asked you to do. Share the gospel with all that you can. If they believe, they should be baptized. Then begin to crack the whip over them about all their sin and telling them how to keep the commands of Jesus. Then you'll even have the Holy Spirit to help you in your cause working in the person that you're trying to change to obey the law.

All I'm saying here is that this 'evangelical' arm of the fellowship of believers has it wrong. We aren't supposed to be beating people over the head trying to make them obey the law. We're supposed to be beating them over the head with the love of Jesus and if they believe then teach then to obey the law. That's the way Jesus seems to think it should be done.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Apostasy is on Full Display

Strictly speaking "apostasy" applies to the falling away of Christendom, not the wickedness of the world (since "the whole world lieth in wickedness"). Christendom -- on the other hand -- professes to believe in Christ but has generally departed from the truth.

The Olympics shows the wickedness of the world. Christian should boycott viewing this garbage. The Olympics were corrupted a long time ago. This is the culmination.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Paul is pretty clear that we aren't to judge those who are not a part of us.

There is a difference between judging the world (which is already under condemnation so needs no judgment from Christians), and reproving and rebuking the works of darkness and having no fellowship with them And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Eph 5:11).

 

[SomeDisciple]

All I'm saying here is that this 'evangelical' arm of the fellowship of believers has it wrong. We aren't supposed to be beating people over the head trying to make them obey the law. We're supposed to be beating them over the head with the love of Jesus and if they believe then teach then to obey the law. That's the way Jesus seems to think it should be done.

Who are you even referring to? Nobody here is beating them over the head with anything. This is a discussion between believers on a christian news forum.

Moreover, your idea is whack anyways. If I don't realize that I'm condemned, then what do I need Jesus for? If there's no wrath and condemnation, then neither is their any forgiveness, and if there's no forgiveness then Jesus is irrelevant.

 

[SomeDisciple]

It was a depiction of the "Last Supper" because in no Greek Myth was there ever this kind of setting.

 

[tedincarolina]

Who are you even referring to? Nobody here is beating them over the head with anything. This is a discussion between believers on a christian news forum.

Moreover, your idea is whack anyways. If I don't realize that I'm condemned, then what do I need Jesus for? If there's no wrath and condemnation, then neither is their any forgiveness, and if there's no forgiveness then Jesus is irrelevant.

Hi @SomeDisciple

As my post claims, I'm speaking to the evangelical arm of the church. And no, not all evangelicals do it, but it's out there a whole lot more than not. They call themselves evangelical, but they're not really that big on evangelizing the gospel. They're all about promoting the law of God and that we should all obey the law of God.

Friend, if you've read the Scriptures then you know that isn't going to happen. Born again believers will obey the law of God. The unregenerate will not. That's been true since the day that God established His law in the wilderness.

 

[ZNP]

Strictly speaking "apostasy" applies to the falling away of Christendom, not the wickedness of the world (since "the whole world lieth in wickedness"). Christendom -- on the other hand -- professes to believe in Christ but has generally departed from the truth.

The Olympics shows the wickedness of the world. Christian should boycott viewing this garbage. The Olympics were corrupted a long time ago. This is the culmination.

If you are not welcome shake the dust off your feet and leave. I agree. I appreciate Djokovic making a public confession of faith to the Lord.

 

[ZNP]

Who are you even referring to? Nobody here is beating them over the head with anything. This is a discussion between believers on a christian news forum.

Moreover, your idea is whack anyways. If I don't realize that I'm condemned, then what do I need Jesus for? If there's no wrath and condemnation, then neither is their any forgiveness, and if there's no forgiveness then Jesus is irrelevant.

I agree, nobody cares about what people are doing in in their bedrooms. We don't really care about what they do in public either for the most part unless we think it is threatening our kids or mocking Jesus. That is why they mocked Jesus, and it is crystal clear from iconography that they did, that symbol behind the central drag queen was taken straight from many art works concerning Jesus. The point is they didn't want to be ignored, they like the response. Bloviating about it is stupid, just realize you are not welcome at their feast for Dionysius, shake off the dust and leave.

I would also point out that it was this feast of wine that the Jews were having their orgy when Moses (a type of Christ) returned and broke the ten commandments (marriage covenant) and gave them the bitter water to drink (the cup of wrath) and then killed the 3,000 guilty of idolatry (the apostate church will be judged at the same time as the Levites are called up in the rapture).

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Hi @FollowerofShiloh

Well, I'm pretty sure that you can't support that claim through the Scriptures. Although, we do know that God's word speaks of their being great god-like men in the days that the Nephalim were on the earth and having children with human women. But your proving your claim is, I think, a really tough sell. However, it really doesn't matter to the issue at hand.

As to your second point, I'm not a follower of the ancient god and have no idea exactly how they actually, physically set up their festival performances or gatherings, however it would have been. I don't really have a clue what it looked like in the room when Jesus shared the Passover with his 12 disciples. And depending on when the depiction was made it could have been 11 because Judas left early.

But I know that the event depicted on the stage at the Olympic opening didn't have anything on it that the Scriptures tell us was on and around the place where Jesus shared the Passover. There were not 12/11 people plus Jesus depicted in it. There was no food or wine and we know for a fact that there was bread and wine and it was the Passover so there should have been some lamb and bitter herbs and other Passover required dishes. There was a person with their head sticking through a cornucopia of fruit. Not anything I've ever seen depicted in anyone's idea of the last supper.

So look, go with what you believe and holler as loud as you can and shake the world up and make it all straight and pure and Jesus won't have to come back. Or, do what Jesus has asked you to do. Share the gospel with all that you can. If they believe, they should be baptized. Then begin to crack the whip over them about all their sin and telling them how to keep the commands of Jesus. Then you'll even have the Holy Spirit to help you in your cause working in the person that you're trying to change to obey the law.

All I'm saying here is that this 'evangelical' arm of the fellowship of believers has it wrong. We aren't supposed to be beating people over the head trying to make them obey the law. We're supposed to be beating them over the head with the love of Jesus and if they believe then teach then to obey the law. That's the way Jesus seems to think it should be done.

I can support Fallen Angels with human women that created Giants (Nephilim) in the original Hebrew Scrolls. And that same idealism is what the ancient Greek Philosophers made claim to as being gods who had children with human women. So I doubt it's hardly a stretch of imagination at all. These Philosophers would have known about the Flood of Noah and the Men of Renown in their day just like we read Jericho's famous prostitute Rahab knew about the feats of God and she believed them that God would deliver Israel over Jericho. The ancient world would have been as informed as we are today. But back then there was more importance of this knowledge than today. Hence why more reject the idea of God today than ever before.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Pan and Dionysus are not one and the same but I like the picture usage to save face by the Olympic committee.

 

[tedincarolina]

I can support Fallen Angels with human women that created Giants (Nephilim) in the original Hebrew Scrolls. And that same idealism is what the ancient Greek Philosophers made claim to as being gods who had children with human women. So I doubt it's hardly a stretch of imagination at all. These Philosophers would have known about the Flood of Noah and the Men of Renown in their day just like we read Jericho's famous prostitute Rahab knew about the feats of God and she believed them that God would deliver Israel over Jericho. The ancient world would have been as informed as we are today. But back then there was more importance of this knowledge than today. Hence why more reject the idea of God today than ever before.

Hi @FollowerofShiloh

I didn't mean to deny that the idea of Greek gods that were worshipped among the Greek was necessarily not what the biblical narrative was speaking of when discussing the mighty men of old. I just said that you'd have a hard time proving that to be the case. I don't think anyone can really say with any accuracy 'how' various civilizations came to worship and honor various and sundry mighty gods. The Romans had them. The Greek had them.

But in addressing the matter at hand here regarding the olympics display, there was nothing there that resembled anything that we may think of as representing what the actual last supper may have looked like. Most people think of the DaVinci painting on the matter. But everyone knows that they didn't have big ornate windows in Jerusalem in the days of Jesus. A large room with ornate windows and coffered style ceiling with indented wall frescos probably didn't exist in Jerusalem except for maybe in the king's palace or possibly the temple. But Jesus said it was an upper room and in Jerusalem in that day, that would have been a fairly small, intimate place.

But nevertheless, nothing in the Olympics display even looks like the DeVinci painting except for a long table. Even DaVinci's painting didn't have an ethereal glow about his head. That would have been some addition of the RCC most likely. But still, the display didn't resemble any depiction I've ever seen of the last supper. That's really all there is to it. And those who are making a huge noise about it are just making themselves look like fools to the lost world.