Protestantism. Is it over?

[Cameron143]

There is a difference between optimism and realism. There is no doubt that the power of the Gospel cannot change, and that people's lives are changed through the preaching of the true Gospel. Many are being saved, and many will continue to be saved.

At the same time, the sober reality is that the world is moving towards the reign of the Antichrist. Of course, God and Christ are sovereign in all things, but they will ALLOW sin and evil to increase until divine judgments are poured out.

So the focus of Christians should be on getting the true Gospel and the true bibles out to everyone. Salvation is only through Christ and the Gospel must present Christ "and Him crucified" and also resurrected.

You're wrong. History is moving towards a time when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God.
Realism should reflect reality. Hell is on defense and Jesus is plucking out brands daily. The wrath to come already came. Poor eschatology leads to poor outlook.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Have you been following the shenanigans of Pope Francis (who is not recognized as a true pope by many Catholics). He has undermined Catholicism, is trying to ban the Latin Mass (which many Catholics want to retain), and put his full weight behind Globalism, the Green Agenda, the LBGTQ agenda, and other false narratives

I don't follow it really, but I see news about him from time to time. I'm not surprised that he fits somewhere in the globalist agenda.

We should not assume that the Catholic Church has no relevance, since there are millions of Catholics all around the world, and they continue to cling to their false religion

maybe; but how many of those millions are "Catholic" because their mother, or their mother's mother used to go to Catholic church? Some people will literally say "I was born Catholic" like they inherited a disease or something. How many actually attend? And out of those that attend, how many actually believe in what is going on in there?

 

[JJoseph]

But then the Catholic Church moves away from justification by grace through faith,

That's not the issue. If justification by faith is true, and if Romans 10 is true, and it is, then Catholics who confess Jesus is Lord and believe in His Resurrection are saved. Either that, or the Bible is in error, which cannot be.

and teaches salvation through the sacraments

To be precise, it teaches salvation by grace through faith in the Sacraments. That was the position of the early Church on Baptismal regeneration for e.g. as shown by the Nicene Creed which says: "I confess One Baptism for the remission of sins". When a person believes in Christ and is baptized, he receives the remissions of sins, by grace, through faith, in the Sacraments. Christ said: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mark 16:16)

, while elevating Mary to become Queen of Heaven

Revelation 12:1 shows a Queen Mother in Heaven, the Mother of Jesus Christ (Rev 12:5).

and making her the advocate while replacing Christ.

Catholic Church doesn't teach Mary replaces Christ. Rather, She intercedes with Christ, as at Cana (John 2), and as Abraham and Moses did with Jehovah. Saints of God don't replace God; they intercede with God for other Christians.

Also a careful examination of the Mass shows that it is a travesty of the one final sacrifice of Christ. It is a complete rejection of the Lord's Supper. So there are in fact many issues with Roman Catholicism.

That's your opinion. Have you studied what the Church Fathers and early Christians said about it, and how they interpreted Malachi 1:11 for e.g.? They believed that Holy Communion is the True Body and Real Blood of Jesus Christ and an offering to God. Mal 1:11 says a Pure Offering will be offered to God/Jehovah in every Gentile Nation, while God receives none from the Jews. A clear prophecy of a New Covenant offering. What can that be? Nothing other than the Lord's Supper.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Mem]

Jesus' blood atones for the sins of the world so if anyone goes to hell, it's for being an ingrate because that is all the Father asked of anyone, an offering of thanks to His Son who then humbly defers thanks to Him. Everyone is so focused on what's wrong with everyone else and leaves the importance of this in the dust. But, in order to offer genuine thanks for anything, one has to first believe it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To be precise, it teaches salvation by grace through faith in the Sacraments

But that is not what the Bible teaches. It is faith in Christ alone.

 

[John146]

He is ruling and reigning.

Where is he ruling and reigning? Scripture please...maybe another thread.

 

[Cameron143]

Where is he ruling and reigning? Scripture please...maybe another thread.

I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
I can give you a tour through both history and biblical history and show you the deterioration of mankind and creation from the inception of sin to the cross and the restoration that has been occurring since the cross if you like.

There has never been a time when God has not been in control of all things and there never will be. He is the LORD and there is no other. Satan, though powerful from our perspective, has only ever been an instrument of God. One little word can fell him.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There has never been a time when God has not been in control of all things and there never will be.

You are conveniently ignoring reality. We all know that God is sovereign, but you do not want to acknowledge that He is allowing sin and evil to grow. He could have sent Satan to Hell right at the start but He did not do so. No need for fake optimism.

 

[Cameron143]

You are conveniently ignoring reality. We all know that God is sovereign, but you do not want to acknowledge that He is allowing sin and evil to grow. He could have sent Satan to Hell right at the start but He did not do so. No need for fake optimism.

Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound.

It's not fake optimism. It's joy in the Lord. It comes from knowing Him and joining Him in what He is doing. God is at work in the world. People are being converted all around the globe in record numbers. Satan isn't winning, neither is He in control of anything. Even where he is allowed to persecute the church, it only grows all the more.

Instead of being a negative Nehemiah6, raise a hallelujah.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sure men do things for evil purposes, but God intends them for good. Noone is frustrating God and His purposes. Things are going as planned.

So God planned to make himself repent for creating mankind and his plan was to flood and drown his creation ?

 

[Cameron143]

So God planned to make himself repent for creating mankind and his plan was to flood and drown his creation ?

What did you learn about God from all that happening?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You are conveniently ignoring reality. We all know that God is sovereign, but you do not want to acknowledge that He is allowing sin and evil to grow. He could have sent Satan to Hell right at the start but He did not do so. No need for fake optimism.

yeah it’s hard for people to grasp that mankind is an important necessary functioning part of the creation

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over …… all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 26, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So you have this dynamic in creations beginning

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. “

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and you can clearly see this true dynamic here as mankind is who corrupts the earth and gets the blame for what they have done and how mankind is corrupted and then mankind who rules the earth corrupts the earth as well before God . This clearly is not what God had planned before

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if this was all planned by God he’s blaming people for his own plan working and cursing them because they did what he made them do by this “puppet master view “ that ( not you ) but some seem to have of God

airs hard toninderrrsnd because the Bible makes clear from the very beginning God blesses and gives mankind grace gives the provisions of Al thier needs fellowships with them places then in Eden but shortly after what they have done creates a crumbling of the foundations of creation because mankind is like a cog in a machine to be crude , if man doesn’t function in a gods will for mankind the whole machine gets all messed up

God Is all powerful and has foreknolwedge but the bi me doesn’t support a god who pulls everyone’s strings and and makes choices irrelevant to the outcome of thing on earth . Actually it’s the opposite , the bible tells of God who made an earth and gave it to man to rule then later says they corrupted it and filled it with evil wickedness and violence and then vows to destroy all he created and called good

Not because God just wanted to but because of what man did , with the blessing of life and paradise he gave them he gave life they chose death , he gave blessing , they chose cursing and those choices had consequences that set the course of earth away from Gods good plan that we now find in revelation 21 our Christian hope of a new creation

 

[Cameron143]

yeah it’s hard for people to grasp that mankind is an important necessary functioning part of the creation

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over …… all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 26, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So you have this dynamic in creations beginning

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. “

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and you can clearly see this true dynamic here as mankind is who corrupts the earth and gets the blame for what they have done and how mankind is corrupted and then mankind who rules the earth corrupts the earth as well before God . This clearly is not what God had planned before

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if this was all planned by God he’s blaming people for his own plan working and cursing them because they did what he made them do by this “puppet master view “ that ( not you ) but some seem to have of God

airs hard toninderrrsnd because the Bible makes clear from the very beginning God blesses and gives mankind grace gives the provisions of Al thier needs fellowships with them places then in Eden but shortly after what they have done creates a crumbling of the foundations of creation because mankind is like a cog in a machine to be crude , if man doesn’t function in a gods will for mankind the whole machine gets all messed up

God Is all powerful and has foreknolwedge but the bi me doesn’t support a god who pulls everyone’s strings and and makes choices irrelevant to the outcome of thing on earth . Actually it’s the opposite , the bible tells of God who made an earth and gave it to man to rule then later says they corrupted it and filled it with evil wickedness and violence and then vows to destroy all he created and called good

Not because God just wanted to but because of what man did , with the blessing of life and paradise he gave them he gave life they chose death , he gave blessing , they chose cursing and those choices had consequences that set the course of earth away from Gods good plan that we now find in revelation 21 our Christian hope of a new creation

Do you know why God put man on earth and made man in His image? He did so because He wanted the knowledge of the glory of the Lord to fill the earth. Sin marred the image of God in man so God had a choice:

1. destroy all mankind and begin again
2. remake man in His image

Which did He choose, and why?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What did you learn about God from all that happening?

That what’s actually written down is the truth and we should acknolwedge that part

Brother this is Gods plan

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. …And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this still is Gods plan going along smoothly

“And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,

and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

…And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8-9, 16-17, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s Gods plan to have mankind alive and well and dwelling with him and they are free but they have heard his word that’s meant to give them and keep thier lives safe it’s paradise death doesn’t yet impact them it has touched mankind God warned them not to do it or they would die you are free to eat of any tree , but this tree is poison don’t eat it “


This part is what you aren’t allowing for us this part and the fact that it’s not Gods plan or Will his plan and Will is already established all
Is good man is well and alive and blessed with him in Eden …..

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( certainly God is nOt making himself a liar right ? )

for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

( this is not Gods plan it’s a violation of Gods plans )

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

( what changed ? He’s been blessing g then and fellowshipping and giving them gifts and honors why are they hiding ?)

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed …. and I will put enmity ( it’s a consewuence of the action ) between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( first mention of Christs victory over satan )


Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. ( her consequence for her actions )

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. ( cursed to die)

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6, 8-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you read this do you understand what I’m saying what Adam and Eve did gf extend the outcome of Gods plan he didn’t plan for the. To sin he warned then not to Satan had a voice to and they followed his

that’s not Gods plan for anyone Gods plan for everyone is Christ and the gospel it’s why believing the gospel can save a soul we have to hear Gods word like they did , but not follow satans word like they did.

The same principle is forever what we do is going to affect the outcome it’s not God as a puppet master he is a healer of what is broken in us so we can return to walking with him like the beginning

Freedom brother

Look where it ended when they followed satans ideas about the fruit

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t blame God if we do something wrong and say we’ll it’s just his Will and plan we walk daily in a world where there’s temptations and evil danger ect everywhere we’re meant to be learning to make good choices not learn we don’t have any choice because we’re all just playing out a predetermined plan like riding a wave

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you know why God put man on earth and made man in His image? He did so because He wanted the knowledge of the glory of the Lord to fill the earth. Sin marred the image of God in man so God had a choice:

1. destroy all mankind and begin again
2. remake man in His image

Which did He choose, and why?

He gave man a choice some of them apparently can’t accept it lol

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you know why God put man on earth and made man in His image? He did so because He wanted the knowledge of the glory of the Lord to fill the earth. Sin marred the image of God in man so God had a choice:

1. destroy all mankind and begin again
2. remake man in His image

Which did He choose, and why?

Do you think God is all about himself or others ? For instance would God lay down his life to save man’s life ?

 

[Magenta]

He gave man a choice some of them apparently can’t accept it lol

Depravity vs. Grace

 

[Cameron143]

That what’s actually written down is the truth and we should acknolwedge that part

Brother this is Gods plan

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. …And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this still is Gods plan going along smoothly

“And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,

and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

…And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8-9, 16-17, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s Gods plan to have mankind alive and well and dwelling with him and they are free but they have heard his word that’s meant to give them and keep thier lives safe it’s paradise death doesn’t yet impact them it has touched mankind God warned them not to do it or they would die you are free to eat of any tree , but this tree is poison don’t eat it “


This part is what you aren’t allowing for us this part and the fact that it’s not Gods plan or Will his plan and Will is already established all
Is good man is well and alive and blessed with him in Eden …..

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( certainly God is nOt making himself a liar right ? )

for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

( this is not Gods plan it’s a violation of Gods plans )

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

( what changed ? He’s been blessing g then and fellowshipping and giving them gifts and honors why are they hiding ?)

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed …. and I will put enmity ( it’s a consewuence of the action ) between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( first mention of Christs victory over satan )


Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. ( her consequence for her actions )

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. ( cursed to die)

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6, 8-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you read this do you understand what I’m saying what Adam and Eve did gf extend the outcome of Gods plan he didn’t plan for the. To sin he warned then not to Satan had a voice to and they followed his

that’s not Gods plan for anyone Gods plan for everyone is Christ and the gospel it’s why believing the gospel can save a soul we have to hear Gods word like they did , but not follow satans word like they did.

The same principle is forever what we do is going to affect the outcome it’s not God as a puppet master he is a healer of what is broken in us so we can return to walking with him like the beginning

Freedom brother

Look where it ended when they followed satans ideas about the fruit

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t blame God if we do something wrong and say we’ll it’s just his Will and plan we walk daily in a world where there’s temptations and evil danger ect everywhere we’re meant to be learning to make good choices not learn we don’t have any choice because we’re all just playing out a predetermined plan like riding a wave

Noone is blaming God. God has great purpose in all that He does. God allowed sin to come into the world in order for more of the glory of the Lord to be made known to man. A measure of His love can be known by us in creation and providence. But the fulness of God's affection for mankind is manifested in the cross. By it we know the full love of God.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you think God is all about himself or others ? For instance would God lay down his life to save man’s life ?

Of course He would. That is the highest and greatest manifestation of His love. Apart from sin coming into the world, mankind would never know what is the height and breadth and depth of the love of God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you think God is all about himself or others ? For instance would God lay down his life to save man’s life ?

Do you know why God put man on earth and made man in His image? He did so because He wanted the knowledge of the glory of the Lord to fill the earth. Sin marred the image of God in man so God had a choice:

1. destroy all mankind and begin again
2. remake man in His image

Which did He choose, and why?

“Which did He choose, and why?”

heres where you’ll find the answers

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

at his already should tell you it’s not what he had planned for mankind he’s grieving in his heart because they became so wicked and violent he’s become sorry he even created us brother you can’t possibly argue this was his plan can you ?) even thou his heart is repenting and he’s grieving ? )

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; ( think of that a few chapters earlier ten generations he said everything he made was good his plan certainly wasn’t to corrupt the w earth eas it let’s read on )

both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ( not his plan ) And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; ( he didn’t do this ) for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; ( not what he planned )

and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”( his conclusion )
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


ado tou see where it say destroy all flesh ? That’s the very reason we have to be born of the spirit to enter the kk from flesh and blood is already condemned and cannot be saved

“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

flesh is already doomed and matters not to God because of that in genesis

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬

brother the bi ke is fluid Gods plans have always been good for man but then man hears what he said like this “ don’t eat this fruit or you’ll die “

My point is his plan is laid out in genesis chapter one but it’s fulfilled in revelation 21 . All that’s in between is the result of a comic struggle between the forces of good and evil unleashed by man in the beginning after God had already seperwted light and dark

his plan will come to pass but the things between involve also man’s rule and dominion on earth nd the dire effect it had on Gods very good plans

man failed God and it corrupted crestion since then he’s been working towards saving mankind from damnation and death

What man has done matters and affects everything in earth it’s like it is because of us not God he’s been pleading with mankind to repent for ages now