Do stillborns and deceased babies go to 'hell'
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They had a sin nature because of Adam, yes. They died because of Adam, yes. They had no knowledge in order to commit any sin of their own. You appear to keep insisting that the babies have personally sinned when the verse clearly states they are sinners on the basis of Adam's sin. By one man all have sinned, not by every man to each his own sin.
Yes for the election of Grace described later in the same book Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Grace doesnt abound for the rest, they are blinded.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Grace doesnt abound for the rest, they are blinded.
Nope, They have to reach the age of account ability. This is different for different folks but most around 12 years. anyone who dies befor then goes back to be with the lord, and will return during the melliinium, No one really dies until the judgment. I mean think about it. with all that lucifer has done he is still alive. locked up sure, but still alive. But the rest of us. if we die coming out the womb is that it for us. i don't believe that, that is no kind of judgement. and God don't judge like that, Every entity will have there day in court.
Sorry that this reply is late in coming. Had a busy schedule elsewhere.
Are you not aware of "Original Sin"?
The "Sin" that was passed to all mankind in Adam?
The reason why the Scriptures say: That all children come from the womb lying?
When Adam sinned, he stood for the whole of the human race. His sin was upon us and we all died in him.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
This "Original Sin" brought upon us all - death and this has nothing to do with individual sin. We all fell in Adam.
Rom 5:13 for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14a Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression...
Rom 5:18a So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation...
Original Sin is often not taught in the churches today because it is an unpopular subject. However, to understand and truly appreciate God's saving grace, we must first clearly understand the power of the "sin nature", which befell us all and all of creation.
Therefore, any attempt to try to explain away mankind's guilt and condemnation before the Lord is vain. Adam was humanities head and anything he would do or not do, we all would do or not do in the same likeness. Not a single one of us, was, is or will be, better than Adam. Therefore, God is Just in bringing down Condemnation upon us all.
As believers, we must learn to except Biblical Truth and not allow our feelings or emotions to carry us off into error. This is far more difficult for those who have gone through child loss or are presently caring for a child that has mental deficiencies. However, never underestimate, in the case of mental defects, what God can do in His saving Grace.
Are you not aware of "Original Sin"?
The "Sin" that was passed to all mankind in Adam?
The reason why the Scriptures say: That all children come from the womb lying?
When Adam sinned, he stood for the whole of the human race. His sin was upon us and we all died in him.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
This "Original Sin" brought upon us all - death and this has nothing to do with individual sin. We all fell in Adam.
Rom 5:13 for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14a Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression...
Rom 5:18a So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation...
Original Sin is often not taught in the churches today because it is an unpopular subject. However, to understand and truly appreciate God's saving grace, we must first clearly understand the power of the "sin nature", which befell us all and all of creation.
Therefore, any attempt to try to explain away mankind's guilt and condemnation before the Lord is vain. Adam was humanities head and anything he would do or not do, we all would do or not do in the same likeness. Not a single one of us, was, is or will be, better than Adam. Therefore, God is Just in bringing down Condemnation upon us all.
As believers, we must learn to except Biblical Truth and not allow our feelings or emotions to carry us off into error. This is far more difficult for those who have gone through child loss or are presently caring for a child that has mental deficiencies. However, never underestimate, in the case of mental defects, what God can do in His saving Grace.
If you really give thought, to the so called "Age of Accountability", you would realize that this is a human doctrine and not of God. It is way to ambiguous. At exactly what age would this be?
In your own post - you indicated the following: "This is different for different folks but most around 12 years"
Really!!!!! --- 12 years old? Do you really believe that a child below the age of twelve doesn't know the difference between right and wrong? Of course you know that. You are an adult. You know from your own life that this is not a true statement. I knew the difference very early in me life - so early, I can't remember when.
On top of all this, how do you explain these passages of Scripture:
- Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.
and again:
- Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.
In your own post - you indicated the following: "This is different for different folks but most around 12 years"
Really!!!!! --- 12 years old? Do you really believe that a child below the age of twelve doesn't know the difference between right and wrong? Of course you know that. You are an adult. You know from your own life that this is not a true statement. I knew the difference very early in me life - so early, I can't remember when.
On top of all this, how do you explain these passages of Scripture:
- Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.
and again:
- Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.
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are you a born again Christian? did you get lost in your reply? you are off on many tangents. "...........to understand & truly appreciate God's saving grace........." that's it, to understand God's grace in saving unaccountable babies. there's a lot of people here that can't believe you believe babies go to hell when they die. it doesn't make sense secularly or Godly. imagine this: someone gets married & has a baby & the baby dies & you think the baby is in hell. that's not the God we all know.
So apparently you do not understand the subject of "Original Sin".
You gave me a "humanistic" reply. Full of your ideas and feelings upon this subject. I gave you a Biblical answer with the accompanying Scriptures. You gave me NO Biblical answer. I don't care how you "feel" about the subject, I only care about what God has revealed in His Word. I am endeavoring to show you the truth on the subject. My desire is to please God - not any person.
If I am wrong... then show me in God's Word how I am wrong.
You gave me a "humanistic" reply. Full of your ideas and feelings upon this subject. I gave you a Biblical answer with the accompanying Scriptures. You gave me NO Biblical answer. I don't care how you "feel" about the subject, I only care about what God has revealed in His Word. I am endeavoring to show you the truth on the subject. My desire is to please God - not any person.
If I am wrong... then show me in God's Word how I am wrong.