Scripture Based Flat Earth Proposition
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FE people do not believe that there is a southern hemisphere. It's where I live. So how can you reconcile that? I have to watch myself because FE stupidity brings out the sarcasm in me and not everyone realises it. I don't remember Jesus saying once that the earth was flat. I've been studying the Bible and, at times, teaching it. Nowhere except in the imagination of a few does the Bible state that the earth is flat.
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Jesus didn't say anything about the earth being a globe either. In fact, Biblically the word "earth" is NOT a reference to a "planet", but the land (ground) protruding up out of the water. But He does tell us about the stars falling to the earth (Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:25, Revelation 6:13). It appears that Post# 668 has been conveniently overlooked. I am still waiting for someone to reconcile that.
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No land area present in the Ball Earth model is excluded from/in the Flat Earth model - no one has decided that Australia does not exist. And - instead of being "down under", it is on the same 'plane' as/with everyone else.
It is true that the Bible does not say "The earth is flat."; however, what it does say shows us in no uncertain terms that the earth is not "a spinning ball flying through space"...
It is true that the Bible does not say "The earth is flat."; however, what it does say shows us in no uncertain terms that the earth is not "a spinning ball flying through space"...
In what ways have you personally actually observed - with your own senses - a "globe earth" - wherby, you were absolutely certain that you could not possibly have misinterpreted what your senses told you?
And - you need to understand - much of what you have been taught all of your life will affect how you interpret your senses.
And - you need to understand - much of what you have been taught all of your life will affect how you interpret your senses.
For the one who cannot let go of the Ball Earth model worldview - that is all they will ever see - because they are not willing to let go of it.
For the one who is willing to be unbrainwashed from that belief system - they will be able to see the world as it really is - how the Bible describes it.
And - that is where you must start - believe what the Bible [really actually] says...
For the one who is willing to be unbrainwashed from that belief system - they will be able to see the world as it really is - how the Bible describes it.
And - that is where you must start - believe what the Bible [really actually] says...
So, you flat earthers believe,
The I.S.S. is fake.
Satellites are fake.
Apollo Moon Landings are fake.
Thousands of Planet pictures, all fake.
Planets are round EXCEPT EARTH.
N.A.S.A., E.S.A., ROSCOSMOS., C.N.E.S., J.A.X.A., C.N.S.A.,
these agencies and data are hoaxes also? (AND 20-30 more).
Seriously??
The I.S.S. is fake.
Satellites are fake.
Apollo Moon Landings are fake.
Thousands of Planet pictures, all fake.
Planets are round EXCEPT EARTH.
N.A.S.A., E.S.A., ROSCOSMOS., C.N.E.S., J.A.X.A., C.N.S.A.,
these agencies and data are hoaxes also? (AND 20-30 more).
Seriously??
OK, here we go yet again.
I know a reasonable amount about radio and radar. That was my field of work in the military. I also know about military aircraft and the strategies both for attack and defence of naval shipping. Radar simply sends a signal that then reflects of an object. A detector picks up the return signal and measures the time difference between the pulse being transmitted and the signal received.
Radar range is limited, but not by the power of the radar. The higher the frequency of the radar, the better the definition of the received signal. If you look at documentaries of radar in WW2, especially in the Battle of Britain, you will see an enormous difference compared to modern radars. As technology improved, higher frequencies could be employed.
If you look at a modern warship, you will see that the radar is mounted high up on the superstructure. This goes against every principle of naval architecture. Weight at height causes the vessel to behave poorly if wave action causes the ship to roll. There is a point of no return when a ship rolls. If it goes too far, it will capsize. The more weight at height, the sooner that point is reached.
So why the height? It is because of the curvature of the earth. Microwaves travel in straight beams. The higher the transmission point, the further the beam can travel before the curvature of the earth means that the radar beam is no longer able to detect surface targets.
Modern cruise missiles take advantage of the phenomenon. They are fired in the direction of the target. They are flown at wave top height, which means that radar cannot detect them. When they get to the horizon, they scan for the target which has likely moved. This gives the target vessel a very short time to react. The Royal Navy discovered how hard this was during the Falklands war. A few Exocet missiles were highly destructive. If Argentina had many more Exocets, the war could have gone very differently.
You will see radio aerials on high structures and hilltops everywhere. This is for the same reason, the curvature of the earth. Increasing the power of transmitters is pointless because the signals won't get to the next aerial.
You can be sure that the cost of building repeater stations on remote hills as well as maintaining them is not something that telecoms companies choose to do. They have no choice. Why? The earth is curved.
I know a reasonable amount about radio and radar. That was my field of work in the military. I also know about military aircraft and the strategies both for attack and defence of naval shipping. Radar simply sends a signal that then reflects of an object. A detector picks up the return signal and measures the time difference between the pulse being transmitted and the signal received.
Radar range is limited, but not by the power of the radar. The higher the frequency of the radar, the better the definition of the received signal. If you look at documentaries of radar in WW2, especially in the Battle of Britain, you will see an enormous difference compared to modern radars. As technology improved, higher frequencies could be employed.
If you look at a modern warship, you will see that the radar is mounted high up on the superstructure. This goes against every principle of naval architecture. Weight at height causes the vessel to behave poorly if wave action causes the ship to roll. There is a point of no return when a ship rolls. If it goes too far, it will capsize. The more weight at height, the sooner that point is reached.
So why the height? It is because of the curvature of the earth. Microwaves travel in straight beams. The higher the transmission point, the further the beam can travel before the curvature of the earth means that the radar beam is no longer able to detect surface targets.
Modern cruise missiles take advantage of the phenomenon. They are fired in the direction of the target. They are flown at wave top height, which means that radar cannot detect them. When they get to the horizon, they scan for the target which has likely moved. This gives the target vessel a very short time to react. The Royal Navy discovered how hard this was during the Falklands war. A few Exocet missiles were highly destructive. If Argentina had many more Exocets, the war could have gone very differently.
You will see radio aerials on high structures and hilltops everywhere. This is for the same reason, the curvature of the earth. Increasing the power of transmitters is pointless because the signals won't get to the next aerial.
You can be sure that the cost of building repeater stations on remote hills as well as maintaining them is not something that telecoms companies choose to do. They have no choice. Why? The earth is curved.
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Metaphor is defined as "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them." So please explain how "the stars shall fall from heaven" is a metaphor, and what is it a metaphor for? And are the sun, moon, and "the powers of the heavens" that "shall be shaken" also metaphors? And what are they metaphors for? Also, does that mean that "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" is also a metaphor? And will He not "send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet" like verse 31 states?
Matthew 24:26-31
26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
27 "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."
29 "¶Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
I could see where verse 28 might not be taken literally (figure of speech), but the rest looks convincingly literal to me. But if you think they are a metaphor, then I'd be interested in hearing what they are a metaphor for. And please, if you cannot say what they are a metaphor for, don't call them metaphors.
Matthew 24:26-31
26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
27 "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."
29 "¶Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
I could see where verse 28 might not be taken literally (figure of speech), but the rest looks convincingly literal to me. But if you think they are a metaphor, then I'd be interested in hearing what they are a metaphor for. And please, if you cannot say what they are a metaphor for, don't call them metaphors.
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While we're here, let's quote Revelation 6:12-17:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It's easy to see that the fig tree casting untimely figs is NOT the reality, but "the stars of heaven fell unto the earth" IS the reality.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It's easy to see that the fig tree casting untimely figs is NOT the reality, but "the stars of heaven fell unto the earth" IS the reality.
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Seriously.
It is all part of a "grand illusion" for the purpose of keeping the world population "in the MATRIX" - to keep it in the dark concerning the true nature of our reality. However, it may be clearly seen and understood by any who is willing to unbrainwash themselves - "escape the MATRIX" - and wake up to the truth about our world.
A 'planet' is a "wandering star" according to scripture. None of the "planets" is actually a "planet" in the sense that we have all been taught since birth.
It is all part of a "grand illusion" for the purpose of keeping the world population "in the MATRIX" - to keep it in the dark concerning the true nature of our reality. However, it may be clearly seen and understood by any who is willing to unbrainwash themselves - "escape the MATRIX" - and wake up to the truth about our world.
A 'planet' is a "wandering star" according to scripture. None of the "planets" is actually a "planet" in the sense that we have all been taught since birth.
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No one can be convinced until they decide for themselves that truth is more important than comfort.
It is an uncomfortable thing to be faced with the prospect that you have been deceived all of your life. Only when you are willing to admit to yourself - not only that you can be deceived - but, that you have been deceived - will you be ready to see and understand the truth about so many things. And, to do that - one must "swallow their pride" and be very sincere about obtaining a proper understanding of the truth - so that their eyes may be opened to the truth.
These two statements contain an amazing amount of real actual highly significant truth in the world today:
"Most people don't really want the Truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the Truth." - author unknown
"Truth is available only to those who have the courage to question whatever they have been taught." - author unknown
Most people in the world today are "living in the MATRIX" and cannot escape it purely and simply because of their own pride...
When you decide that you want to know the [real actual] truth - "even if it hurts" - then - you will be able to see more [real actual] truth than you ever thought was possible for you in your lifetime. The best way to begin that journey is to believe what the Bible says - "take it at its word" - as the basis for all truth. As an example - if you truly believe that stars will one day fall to the earth - you are on your way to discovering the [real actual] truth about so many things...
What the Bible [really actually] says is the 'key' to all truth. Believe it!
It is an uncomfortable thing to be faced with the prospect that you have been deceived all of your life. Only when you are willing to admit to yourself - not only that you can be deceived - but, that you have been deceived - will you be ready to see and understand the truth about so many things. And, to do that - one must "swallow their pride" and be very sincere about obtaining a proper understanding of the truth - so that their eyes may be opened to the truth.
These two statements contain an amazing amount of real actual highly significant truth in the world today:
"Most people don't really want the Truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the Truth." - author unknown
"Truth is available only to those who have the courage to question whatever they have been taught." - author unknown
Most people in the world today are "living in the MATRIX" and cannot escape it purely and simply because of their own pride...
When you decide that you want to know the [real actual] truth - "even if it hurts" - then - you will be able to see more [real actual] truth than you ever thought was possible for you in your lifetime. The best way to begin that journey is to believe what the Bible says - "take it at its word" - as the basis for all truth. As an example - if you truly believe that stars will one day fall to the earth - you are on your way to discovering the [real actual] truth about so many things...
What the Bible [really actually] says is the 'key' to all truth. Believe it!
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Having been involved with electronics most of my life, I also know something about radio and radar. I believe some of what you say here is true; however, I think a few things are not quite as correct as much as you might like to think. (Because of what you were taught and not taught - you were taught on a need-to-know basis - they taught you what they wanted you to know - remember this!)
First, in every area of electronics - power is in fact significant - but, very much so in the RF arena - and, it can certainly affect the efficiency of signal transmission over any sufficient distance.
The reason for the height is not earth curvature. The real reason has to do with the fact that higher frequency waves have smaller wavelengths - which are more easy to block or disrupt by small things such as a drop of water. Antennas are mounted higher up to reduce the "ground clutter" encountered down closer to the water level. In your illustration, radar cannot detect low-flying cruise missiles because they "get lost" in the "ground clutter" of water droplets, etc. in the air above water level due to water turbulence from waves, etc. - providing a "cover" for the missiles - because microwaves may be absorbed and blocked by the water - and never get far enough to bounce off of anything and return to be picked up by the receiver.
Also, since microwaves can "cook" flesh and cause cancer - antennas are mounted higher up to keep humans well away from the transmitted waves.
First, in every area of electronics - power is in fact significant - but, very much so in the RF arena - and, it can certainly affect the efficiency of signal transmission over any sufficient distance.
The reason for the height is not earth curvature. The real reason has to do with the fact that higher frequency waves have smaller wavelengths - which are more easy to block or disrupt by small things such as a drop of water. Antennas are mounted higher up to reduce the "ground clutter" encountered down closer to the water level. In your illustration, radar cannot detect low-flying cruise missiles because they "get lost" in the "ground clutter" of water droplets, etc. in the air above water level due to water turbulence from waves, etc. - providing a "cover" for the missiles - because microwaves may be absorbed and blocked by the water - and never get far enough to bounce off of anything and return to be picked up by the receiver.
Also, since microwaves can "cook" flesh and cause cancer - antennas are mounted higher up to keep humans well away from the transmitted waves.
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