The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?

[TMS]

Is there anyway to get a list of “law” verses that are out of date?

The way I see it.... the laws that were introduced to be because of sin that pointed to the Messiah.

We no longer need to offer a lamb.
We no longer need to set up priest.

Jesus is the lamb and Jesus is our high priest.

Hebrews makes it clear.
Some laws were given to point people to Jesus and the solution to sin. (Inocent blood). Some laws define sin, stealing has always been a sin and always will be.

We look at Jesus and by faith accept His blood and ministry.

 

[Beckworth]

Hola folks . . .

Did I miss it, or have we still yet to figure out why the author of Hebrews stated that the Law would soon disappear? Why would the author say this? Wasn't it long gone?

Again, apologies if we figured this out already. My brain is the burnt tip of a match.

Hebrews 9:16-17 tells us WHEN the old law was no longer in effect. When Jesus died.

Just like today, if a man has a will, that will does not come into force until his death. The New Testament is the last will and testament of Jesus Christ. It had no force until His death. That’s why Colossians 2:18 says the old law was nailed to His cross. It ended there! Once Jesus was dead, His Will took over. That explains how Jesus could “save” people while He was alive anyway He pleased. He personally saved the man that was let down through a hole in the roof; He saved the thief on the cross; but he was NOT going to be around forever to personally save people. So He put in His Will how people were to be saved after He was no longer here. Now Jesus has passed from this life and for 2000 years His new Will has been effect. We must obey the “terms” of the will if we want salvation. The same as any will today.

If a man has a million dollars, he can spend his money anyway he pleases WHILE HE IS ALIVE. But once he dies, his will determines who will get his money. If there are conditions in the will, then those conditions must be met before the money will be given.

In exactly the same way, Jesus has salvation. He can give salvation to anyone he wants, in anyway He wants while he is alive. It is His to distribute as He sees fit. But ONCE HE DIED, His “will” came into effect. So for the past 2000 years, anyone who wants salvation must obey. Or meet the terms of His will. This is what Hebrews 9:16-17 is saying.

That’s why it is so important to make sure you obey the terms of His will. We all want salvation, don’t we? Then we need to make SURE we do ALL that the Will says, or you may be disinherited. Why risk losing your salvation by taking a stand for faith only” when the “WILL” says NOT BY FAITH ONLY? Especially when there are other CONDITIONS in the “will” that must be met—like repentance, confession and baptism?

Proverbs 8:36- He who sins against me HATES HIS OWN SOUL.

 

[TMS]

Yes, can we discuss which law, laws were removed at the cross.

Like I said the way the definition of law is used, is often misused.

5 laws
The Moral law. Defining sin.
The cerimonial laws. Deals with sin.
The civil laws. Political. As a nation.
The laws of nature. Scientific
The health laws.

 

[TMS]

Mat 5:18-19
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Make sure your not teaching people to break one of the least of these commandments.

 

[Cameron143]

Mat 5:18-19
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Make sure your not teaching people to break one of the least of these commandments.

Given what Jeremiah 31:34, Hebrews 8:11, and 1 John 2:27 teach, would you consider the verses you posted any differently?

 

[Soyeong]

Hello friendly friends,

I am working my way through Day 356 of the timeline, chronological study plan and in this set of unbelievable Scripture, arises this matter of the Levitical Law and its expiration date.

Hebrews 8:13 KJV - 13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 NLT - 13 When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

There is plenty of Scripture to demonstrate that the Law has been removed as of the Resurrection of Christ.

I, at this time, believe that the Law has been extinct for a couple thousand years, but I need to make sure that I am, gulp, "right" about this belief.

Thank you to all who participate with the maturity that only comes from the same Love that the Father has for His Holy Son (should the Lord have placed it within you).

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so none of them have an expiration date. The only way that laws for how to testify about God's nature can have an expiration date would be if God also has an expiration date. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is inclusive of everything in it plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The problem that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with the Torah, but with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the solution to the problem was not to do away with the Torah, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it. So the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirement of the Torah (Romans 8:3-4), taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us to obey the Torah (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). While there is room to interpret servants of God was speaking against obeying God's word, it makes a lot more sense to interpret them as being in favor of obeying God.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Hello friendly friends,

I am working my way through Day 356 of the timeline, chronological study plan and in this set of unbelievable Scripture, arises this matter of the Levitical Law and its expiration date.

The LAW (which is a statement of God's WILL) is eternal, so there IS NO EXPIRATION DATE.

However, in Jesus, we have fulfilled the law, and been judged by it, so that it is no longer we that live, but Jesus who lives IN US, and US in HIM when we're born again of the Holy Spirit.

Saying that the LAW has passed away is pure foolishness - it's still SIN to lie, steal murder, steal your neighbor's wife, etc.
But the Law has no power over the one who's in Christ, and maturing in Him. we'll never be PERFECT experimentally, but when we sin, and confess it, He is faithful and just to forgive, and to cleanse from all unrighteousness (1 john 1:9)

 

[Beckworth]

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

- Colossians 2:14 (KJV)
We must recognize the distinction between the law and the ordinances in the verse above. In Christ, all those rituals and blood sacrifices were nailed to the Cross.

The Bible makes no distinction between “the law and the ordinances.” All of the old law was nailed to His cross, and ALL of the ordinances ; and he even specifies some of them in verse 16. The unclean foods that were in the Jewish law that they were not allowed to eat, the laws governing the Nazareth vow that prevented them from drinking anything from the grape, festivals surrounding feast days, new moons, and Sabbaths—ALL done away! That’s why he said no one is to judge Christian’s who are following Christ because they do not keep these laws. They have all been nailed to his cross. Man may make a distinction but God did not.

That includes the 10 commandments. We do not keep them under the old law of Moses. We do not murder, steal covet, commit adultery; we honor our parents Eph 6:1, we don’t bow down to idols—-all because they are in the new law of Jesus Christ —not because they were given in the old Jewish law which was ONLY for JEWS. It was NEVER for gentiles. Why would I , a gentile, go to the Jewish law to seek salvation? That is the whole point of Colossians 2:14. Paul says those things were only a “shadow” of the real things that are in Christ.

If you read Galations-it is all about how the old law has been done away and we can’t be justified by that old law. Chapter 5:4 says if you try to be saved by keeping the old law, YOU ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE. The law “was our TUTOR” to bring us to Christ. But now that Christ has come, we are NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR! Gal. 3:25. It can’t be any plainer than that. NO WHERE does the New Testament make a distinction between the law and the ordinances. It was ALL DONE AWAY and replaced by the new Law of faith ( Christ) Romans 3:27.

 

[Burn1986]

We all know what is meant by the law and how Jesus fulfilled the law etc, yet there is practically no talk about the Holy Spirit on any of these threads. Sure you have great threads on the law, covenant, salvation through faith, etc, but zero talk about receiving the Holy Spirit. Amazing.

It is the Holy Spirit (which in my opinion is the presence and power of Jesus) that gives the power to obey and fulfill everything Jesus taught. But there is a big silence in it.

So continue on in your prideful discussion of the law etc while ignoring the power thereof.

 

[TMS]

Given what Jeremiah 31:34, Hebrews 8:11, and 1 John 2:27 teach, would you consider the verses you posted any differently?

God can raise up stones to do His will, God doesn't need us but He allows us to work with Him.
But regardless we are told to not teach people that it is okay to disobey the law.

 

[TMS]

The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is inclusive of everything in it plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The problem that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with the Torah, but with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the solution to the problem was not to do away with the Torah, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it

Do we continue to sacrifice lambs, should we continue to go to the Temple?
Are the cerimonial laws made void or not?

 

[TMS]

The Bible makes no distinction between “the law and the ordinances.”

Dan 9:11
Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

I know the the word "Law" can mean all but i have never read a Bible verse that states that all laws are made void.

Please show me a verse that states that the 10 commandments are made void.

 

[Dino246]

Do we continue to sacrifice lambs, should we continue to go to the Temple?
Are the cerimonial laws made void or not?

Please quote the Scripture that explains exactly how the Law is so divided into “cerimonial” (sic) and other categories.

 

[vassal]

Mat 5:18-19
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Make sure your not teaching people to break one of the least of these commandments.