Was Judas Iscariot saved?

[homwardbound]

Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).

therefore, Judas either repented to God or not, the script, does not tell us he did. We just have cliff notes. If Judas did not do what he did, then who would, since Jesus had to go to that cross first, before any new life could be offered, in his risen Life?

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).

So, therefore, Judas could not have repented? Really, Peter did and denied God three times, amazing grace y'all

 

[Cameron143]

Dig deeper
Let's say yes he repented and did not want nothing to do with evil again and then killed himself in remorse.
Satan at that time, had the keys to Heaven and Hell. (Not anymore now, Rev 1) Satan could put people in Spirit prison and did. I see Judas, got put in Spirit Prison, along with all those others that were there waiting in belief, no matter how long it took to receive (Hebrews 11). These, stood in belief to God's Son, the Messiah coming. Was Judas a witness, when Jesus arrived there not long after Judas killed himself? You do need at least two witnesses, right? Jesus and Judas revealing God Father

1 Peter 3:18-19

King James Version

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Then, on that third day


Matthew 27:52

King James Version

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

That is only reported by Matthew, it is not in other texts

Yet, God saved Peter, who denied God, did God not? Yes, therefore God in love and mercy saved Judas too, IMHO
The God I know, is a lover of our souls, wanting what is best for us all (Jeremiah 29:11) therefore repent to God (Change your mind and believe God just loves thee also)
God will set you free in his risen Son for you, once you agree by that one time death only, you are reconciled as 100% forgiven forever by God through Son for you too. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
No second guessing, as man has been doing, even after the resurrection fro us to be saved by, not by any flesh work.
It is done for you and all the world to believe God or not.
1 John 2:1-2, verse 12, Chapter 4. Eph. 1:6-7,13, Phil 1:6, Amazing grace to appreciate and ask God for the new life, Son gave to give us in his risen life, not the dead one, having gotten given this, one can't help but love all, the same as Jesus did on that cross willingly. Having the "Art of fighting without fighting". So you going through people, one or many others, are at your throat in giving you troubles. =Okay say thank you, being now content in all things seeing. the only thing that over comes, overcame evil is Christ the Son
Romans 12:21
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Is that not what Christ did? Who is risen and those that got him killed saw him risen as in Col 2 tells us this truth?

Why do you believe Jesus got the keys to death and hell from Satan, and not from God? Is there scripture that shows that Satan received authority from God?

 

[homwardbound]

And unclean, and a devil...

Are not we all the people first born unclean? with a choice to make to believe God or not in risen Son or not? So it is not possible for Judas to have repented to God personally? Really, then it is not possible for anyone is it, unless you good enough as that Pharisee in. Luke 18:9-14 which person gets justified, the Pharisee or the Tax collector?

 

[homwardbound]

11 of the 12 disciples were from Galilee along with Jesus, all of which being israelites

Judas Iscariot is a mistranslation as he was called Judas ish Kerioth or Judas “man of Kerioth”

Kerioth was a city in southern Judea on the border of Edom, in the 2nd century BC Edom was conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted the edomites to judaism

These Edomite Jew proselytes lived in the town of Kerioth, Judas Iscariot was one of them

i posted before that Judas was the embodiment of the “wheat and tare” parable, the wheat and the tares grow together until the day of judgement, the gospel is what seperates them, Judas was an edomite, a descendant of esau, Herod and many of the high priest during Jesus ministry were also edomite jew proselytes,

judas and all of the children of esau are vessels fit for destruction, they are twice dead
they do not hear the words of jesus because they are not his sheep

Interesting, Who did Jesus come to earth to save
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Just saying God love us all
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Do you think God died for Judas too, maybe, god knows and God I trust to do whatever God chooses not I anymore

 

[Magenta]

Are not we all the people first born unclean? with a choice to make to believe God or not in risen Son or not? So it is not possible for Judas to have repented to God personally? Really, then it is not possible for anyone is it, unless you good enough as that Pharisee in. Luke 18:9-14 which person gets justified, the Pharisee or the Tax collector?

You seem to be completely overlooking the things that Jesus said about Judas personally...

 

[Magenta]

If Judas did not betray Jesus, then someone surely had to according to Prophecy
There is so much more to the story, having only the cliff notes to say yeah or neigh. God knows it all, and in God, the Father of the risen son I stand in trust to his love and mercy for us all. Not taking any of it for granted, thanks Father and Son as Won for me and all others too.

What is with the if??? There is no question that Judas betrayed Jesus and that he filled prophecy in doing so. PS Horses say neigh; I said no.

 

[Cameron143]

What is with the if??? There is no question that Judas betrayed Jesus and that he filled prophecy in doing so. PS Horses say neigh; I said no.

Note to self: don't ask Magenta to wear the front of a horse costume for Halloween.

 

[homwardbound]

Why do you believe Jesus got the keys to death and hell from Satan, and not from God? Is there scripture that shows that Satan received authority from God?

Satan was a high Arch Angel that was in charge, that forsook God, that God created and gave free choice to have, that misused and hated God made flesh. The Age Old Serpent
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Satan lost his control in Son as risen by God Father. It was as if a pitstop on his way to the throne of grace, the pitstop was, excuse me!!!!!!!!!! those keys are mine
Satan detached, declawed, lost his control. Only left with fear to the masses of people
When now true love casts out all fear. God himself is true Love (1 Cor 13:4-7)
Jesus and God Father are two yet one as married, to reveal the mystery of marriage

And true Love
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

God won, I stand in belief and see to not fear, even though it is out and about to cause unbelief as in the book of Job tells me all about

 

[homwardbound]

What is with the if??? There is no question that Judas betrayed Jesus and that he filled prophecy in doing so. PS Horses say neigh; I said no.

lets say that Judas would not do that, What I am saying is someone had to do it for the Phropecies to get fulfilled in Jesus. I know Judas did it. I know evil loved it, until the resurrected Son Showed up in Col 2

 

[homwardbound]

Why do you believe Jesus got the keys to death and hell from Satan, and not from God? Is there scripture that shows that Satan received authority from God?

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

 

[homwardbound]

You seem to be completely overlooking the things that Jesus said about Judas personally...

What Jesus said about Judas true, very much so
yet, if Judas repented to God, do you not think God would have saved him? We, will all see one day won't we. The Prophets and the Law had to be filled first (Matt 5:17), before any new life could ever be given to anyone. God knows those that are with God and those who are not. Each person chooses personally between God and them. Not for us, at least for me, the people to decide, as if they are God and are not Psalm 82:1-7
Yes, Judas was not right, as we all in first birth are not born saved by God, I think, Judas repented to God personally. That is just what I think, if not and judas not saved by God, then it is righteous of God=, whatever choice God makes is right?

 

[Cameron143]

Satan was a high Arch Angel that was in charge, that forsook God, that God created and gave free choice to have, that misused and hated God made flesh. The Age Old Serpent
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Satan lost his control in Son as risen by God Father. It was as if a pitstop on his way to the throne of grace, the pitstop was, excuse me!!!!!!!!!! those keys are mine
Satan detached, declawed, lost his control. Only left with fear to the masses of people
When now true love casts out all fear. God himself is true Love (1 Cor 13:4-7)
Jesus and God Father are two yet one as married, to reveal the mystery of marriage

And true Love
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

God won, I stand in belief and see to not fear, even though it is out and about to cause unbelief as in the book of Job tells me all about

I still don't see scripture that says Satan has authority over death and hell. Do you have any that show this?

 

[Cameron143]

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

What in this verse shows authority over death and hell?

 

[Hakawaka]

I am thinking this is not a tenet of Calvinism.

True, but what is, is that only a select group of people will be saved. In his case it would be the chosen israelites.

 

[SonJudgment]

No, Judas was not saved. Though he did feel guilty, as he should, he never repented but decided to kill himself and so Judas fell headlong and burst asunder.

"Woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born. " ---Jesus

 

[tourist]

Yes. It was intended to reveal to Judas the enormity of his betrayal. We know that Judas bitterly regretted his wickedness. He could not live with himself.

So Jesus said that to Judas to hurt him? Strange though, he calls Judas 'Friend' but calls Peter 'Satan'. He didn't tell Peter to "get behind me, friend" but instead behind me 'Satan'.

 

[tourist]

what are you talking about? Jesus is referring to his disciples as a whole, should he have pulled judas aside everytime he wanted to address the group? he called him “ a devil” just like he was from the start.

Not talking about anything, Jesus was the one doing the talking when he referred to Judas as Friend.

 

[HeIsHere]

True, but what is, is that only a select group of people will be saved. In his case it would be the chosen israelites.

I have been seeing some posts about this idea on X (formerly Twitter) it is somewhat new to me but from what I have read I am not buying it so to speak.

I think speculating on the mind/heart of Judas, as if we knew his final thoughts, as he took his last breathe, is a waste of time and a bit presumptuous on the part of mere mortals.

 

[HeIsHere]

therefore, Judas either repented to God or not, the script, does not tell us he did. We just have cliff notes. If Judas did not do what he did, then who would, since Jesus had to go to that cross first, before any new life could be offered, in his risen Life?

Agree, and idiomatic expressions should be understood as such.