Was Judas Iscariot saved?

[Hakawaka]

Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.

Judas' name was in the book of life according to Jesus:

Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

 

[Hakawaka]

11 of the 12 disciples were from Galilee along with Jesus, all of which being israelites

Judas Iscariot is a mistranslation as he was called Judas ish Kerioth or Judas “man of Kerioth”

Kerioth was a city in southern Judea on the border of Edom, in the 2nd century BC Edom was conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted the edomites to judaism

These Edomite Jew proselytes lived in the town of Kerioth, Judas Iscariot was one of them

i posted before that Judas was the embodiment of the “wheat and tare” parable, the wheat and the tares grow together until the day of judgement, the gospel is what seperates them, Judas was an edomite, a descendant of esau, Herod and many of the high priest during Jesus ministry were also edomite jew proselytes,

judas and all of the children of esau are vessels fit for destruction, they are twice dead
they do not hear the words of jesus because they are not his sheep

Nothing like a bit of calvinism with added racism on top.

 

[Cameron143]

Judas' name was in the book of life according to Jesus:

Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

This is an attempt by Jesus to refocus the group on what was really important. It doesn't mean it is necessarily true of the entire group.

 

[tourist]

Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).

Still, the one Jesus used "Friend" holds significance of some sort.

 

[bluto]

Still, the one Jesus used "Friend" holds significance of some sort.

That's like saying a person kills somebody and the police ask a witness, did you see the killing? He answers yes. I can"t believe it, my best friend is a killer?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Blade]

Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.

Well since God said He only looks at the heart I don't think we after the 12 with Paul know this sure. I don't know. John 6.66 oooh "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away? But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” Now I can't do what you did OP and speculate why Judas did what he did for what ever reason that goes back to only God know the heart. If we speculate negatively then we can also speculate the positive.

Most of us are never faced with something that shows us what we are really made of. So easy to talk about huh.. yet it wasn't your creation you came to saved, the one you created that rejects you fact to face.

Don't you ever wonder about Ananias and Sapphira and why that does not happen today? I challenge you to pray seek the lord and ask Him why He does not do that. I promise you, you will fall on your face and cry and weep and never stop thanking Him. He is not like man He does not think like man He is a just GOD. See we have all lied at one time or countless times to the sweet sweet holy Spirit and you and me are not more special then Ananias and Sapphira. That GOD in the OT which is not old.. That GOD has not changed. He's always been the same.

I have no say in this what so ever and no books have been opened. So for me when it comes to people a GOD created and then Children that belong to a GOD and the the only true GOD...oooh man I walk so very softly. Me saying I am a Child of GOD ..so what gives me no right to speak when it comes to things like this. I have to answer to HIM some say for every word.

 

[tourist]

That's like saying a person kills somebody and the police ask a witness, did you see the killing? He answers yes. I can"t believe it, my best friend is a killer?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Why would Jesus call him Friend?

 

[notmyown]

Why would Jesus call him Friend?

hi, tourist

my understanding of this is

1. the Greek word hetairos translated friend usually indicated a false friend.

2. i believe our Lord is fulfilling prophecy.

He had said at the passover meal: I am not speaking about all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the Scripture: ‘The one who shares My bread has lifted up his heel against Me.’ (Jn 13:18)

He's calling their minds back to Psalm 41:9:
Even my close friend whom I trusted, the one who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.

i think this is the context for the Lord calling His betrayer "friend".
i believe only Matthew records Christ saying "friend". Luke has it as "Judas", Mark and John give no account of Jesus speaking to Judas at all.

anyhoo, that's my understanding.

 

[Dino246]

No.

I agree, though with a caveat:

Nobody was “saved” until after Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross.

That will probably cause a stir….

 

[tourist]

hi, tourist

my understanding of this is

1. the Greek word hetairos translated friend usually indicated a false friend.

2. i believe our Lord is fulfilling prophecy.

He had said at the passover meal: I am not speaking about all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the Scripture: ‘The one who shares My bread has lifted up his heel against Me.’ (Jn 13:18)

He's calling their minds back to Psalm 41:9:
Even my close friend whom I trusted, the one who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.

i think this is the context for the Lord calling His betrayer "friend".
i believe only Matthew records Christ saying "friend". Luke has it as "Judas", Mark and John give no account of Jesus speaking to Judas at all.

anyhoo, that's my understanding.

Your understanding is right on target.

 

[Hakawaka]

This is an attempt by Jesus to refocus the group on what was really important. It doesn't mean it is necessarily true of the entire group.

Jesus said to them, which would include Judas. I see no reason Judas wouldn't have had his name in the book of life.

It was only later erased from the book. We see Jesus warning a church in Revelation 3:5 about this as well.
"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus said to them, which would include Judas. I see no reason Judas wouldn't have had his name in the book of life.

It was only later erased from the book. We see Jesus warning a church in Revelation 3:5 about this as well.
"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "

So you believe that God saves us by His grace, but we have to keep ourselves saved through our own efforts? In Romans 8, God says nothing can separate us from His love. Jesus says nothing can take us out of His or the Father's hands. How do you reconcile these truths with what you have stated?

 

[MikeIsraelite72]

Nothing like a bit of calvinism with added racism on top.

are facts racist?
how you figure calvinism?

i had to reread what i posted cuz i am taken back by your comment

i tried to add something edifying that these 501c churches aren’t teaching and i run into a comment like yours

maybe you can put “the truth” in a pillowcase and slam it against the wall a few times, make sure to put. your rainbow sash on and hold up your “the bible is racist” sign🤦🏼‍♂️

 

[MikeIsraelite72]

Still, the one Jesus used "Friend" holds significance of some sort.

what are you talking about? Jesus is referring to his disciples as a whole, should he have pulled judas aside everytime he wanted to address the group? he called him “ a devil” just like he was from the start.

 

[MikeIsraelite72]

Jesus said to them, which would include Judas. I see no reason Judas wouldn't have had his name in the book of life.

It was only later erased from the book. We see Jesus warning a church in Revelation 3:5 about this as well.
"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "

he was an edomite, created to be destroyed all to the glory of the Father

 

[Hakawaka]

are facts racist?
how you figure calvinism?

i had to reread what i posted cuz i am taken back by your comment

i tried to add something edifying that these 501c churches aren’t teaching and i run into a comment like yours

maybe you can put “the truth” in a pillowcase and slam it against the wall a few times, make sure to put. your rainbow sash on and hold up your “the bible is racist” sign🤦🏼‍♂️

Im not into the LGBT movement at all, nor do I believe the Bible is racist, nor am I in a 501c church, I dont even live in America.

Good try. I figured calvinism from the fact that you teach only the israelites will be saved. Which obviously goes against the whole great commission.

You just said that:

he[Judas] was an edomite who was created to be destroyed ALL TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.

You definitely have a different Father than the one described in the Bible!

 

[HeIsHere]

I figured calvinism from the fact that you teach only the israelites will be saved.

I am thinking this is not a tenet of Calvinism.

 

[Gideon300]

Still, the one Jesus used "Friend" holds significance of some sort.

Yes. It was intended to reveal to Judas the enormity of his betrayal. We know that Judas bitterly regretted his wickedness. He could not live with himself.

 

[homwardbound]

Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.

Dig deeper
Let's say yes he repented and did not want nothing to do with evil again and then killed himself in remorse.
Satan at that time, had the keys to Heaven and Hell. (Not anymore now, Rev 1) Satan could put people in Spirit prison and did. I see Judas, got put in Spirit Prison, along with all those others that were there waiting in belief, no matter how long it took to receive (Hebrews 11). These, stood in belief to God's Son, the Messiah coming. Was Judas a witness, when Jesus arrived there not long after Judas killed himself? You do need at least two witnesses, right? Jesus and Judas revealing God Father

1 Peter 3:18-19

King James Version

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Then, on that third day


Matthew 27:52

King James Version

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

That is only reported by Matthew, it is not in other texts

Yet, God saved Peter, who denied God, did God not? Yes, therefore God in love and mercy saved Judas too, IMHO
The God I know, is a lover of our souls, wanting what is best for us all (Jeremiah 29:11) therefore repent to God (Change your mind and believe God just loves thee also)
God will set you free in his risen Son for you, once you agree by that one time death only, you are reconciled as 100% forgiven forever by God through Son for you too. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
No second guessing, as man has been doing, even after the resurrection fro us to be saved by, not by any flesh work.
It is done for you and all the world to believe God or not.
1 John 2:1-2, verse 12, Chapter 4. Eph. 1:6-7,13, Phil 1:6, Amazing grace to appreciate and ask God for the new life, Son gave to give us in his risen life, not the dead one, having gotten given this, one can't help but love all, the same as Jesus did on that cross willingly. Having the "Art of fighting without fighting". So you going through people, one or many others, are at your throat in giving you troubles. =Okay say thank you, being now content in all things seeing. the only thing that over comes, overcame evil is Christ the Son
Romans 12:21
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Is that not what Christ did? Who is risen and those that got him killed saw him risen as in Col 2 tells us this truth?

 

[homwardbound]

From John 6:64 ~ There are some among you who don’t believe. (For Jesus knew from
the beginning those who would not believe and the one who would betray Him.)

2 Corinthians 7:10

If Judas did not betray Jesus, then someone surely had to according to Prophecy
There is so much more to the story, having only the cliff notes to say yeah or neigh. God knows it all, and in God, the Father of the risen son I stand in trust to his love and mercy for us all. Not taking any of it for granted, thanks Father and Son as Won for me and all others too.